The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

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2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[offthehandle]

Yes I saw that news about the beheading of a 1 year old baby and the murder of the mother, a few days ago. Really gruesome! This is the kind of human garbage being allowed into Europe with open arms, but even more nauseating is the human garbage that is keeping this information hidden from the general public.

Germany: 'Decapitating' Freedom of the Press?
In an apparent attempt to sweep under the rug a recent double homicide in Hamburg, Germany, authorities there censored the story. They also raided the apartments of a witness who filmed a video describing the murder, and a blogger who posted the video on YouTube.

The murder, which made headlines worldwide, occurred on the morning of April 12. The assailant, Mourtala Madou, a 33-year-old illegal immigrant from Niger

I was really shocked to read this just yesterday, and more so it happened in April. And why they are passing laws that effect outside countries. Facebook already censors conservatives, now risk being fined by Germany for telling the outside world what they are attempting to keep secret. Grossly negligent.

 

[JB Lions]

It was in the headlines when it happened - https://www.bild.de/regional/hambur...oerte-zur-lampedusa-gruppe-55379164.bild.html

Didn't read anything about him being an illegal immigrant, it says refugee with a residence permit. He also went thru programs and had some jobs. "M. had attended an integration course in 2015, worked in 2016 as a cleaner and in 2017 as a painter's assistant."

It was a domestic incident. When I read the headlines only, it seemed like he beheaded some random child. Then the beheading isn't even confirmed but seems likely. Horrible whoever does stuff like this.

That raid had to do with:
Kordewiner is accused of having "invaded the private sphere" of the murder victim, in breach of §201a of Germany's Criminal Code. This so-called "paparazzi paragraph" -- the legislation of which was launched by Heiko Maas (currently Germany's Foreign Minister), who as Minister of Justice was responsible for Germany's internet censorship law -- is a barely known and rarely applied law, passed in 2015. Among other things, it makes it illegal to take pictures that "display someone in a helpless situation." Supposedly aimed at protecting victims of traffic accidents from being filmed by curious onlookers, the law was already highly controversial when it was debated in 2014, and journalist associations criticized it for jeopardizing freedom of the press."

If somebody took pics of somebody crushed in some auto accident and posted it online, they would have the same issues.

Instead of getting this type of news from right wing sites, you realize we are on the internet? And can go read German news sites. They're not keeping crime from migrants out of the news, you can go read about it - http://www.spiegel.de/international...-germany-focus-on-north-africa-a-1151228.html

All kinds of stories - http://www.spiegel.de/international/topic/asylum_and_migration/

 

[GILSAN]

I was really shocked to read this just yesterday, and more so it happened in April. And why they are passing laws that effect outside countries. Facebook already censors conservatives, now risk being fined by Germany for telling the outside world what they are attempting to keep secret. Grossly negligent.

That's why I've been bitching and complaining for quite a long time, about why Europe has become prisoner to Political Correctness, indoctrination and outright lack of any good sense policies, that is destroying free speech and everything that so many gave their lives to preserve.

 

[JB Lions]

haha. That one site looked real legit, very well put together: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10123/europe-censorship

Gatestone Institute. It's like anybody here and start a site and make it seem legit. I read their About Us page:

Gatestone Institute, a non-partisan, not-for-profit international policy council and think tank is dedicated to educating the public about what the mainstream media fails to report in promoting:

• Institutions of Democracy and the Rule of Law;
• Human Rights
• A free and strong economy
• A military capable of ensuring peace at home and in the free world
• Energy independence
• Ensuring the public stay informed of threats to our individual liberty, sovereignty and free speech.

But:

"The Gatestone Institute is a right-wing anti-Muslim think tank that publishes articles, particularly pertaining to Islam and the Middle East"

It's why some of it seemed off. Like, what are they talking about. This was in the news over there, it wasn't hidden.

Just another bullshit, anti-immigrant, right wing propaganda site.

Like I said, go direct. Go to an actual German news site. Use Google German to English translation. But, I think some of you would rather just read hate sites all day long.

 

[offthehandle]

@GILSAN Have you seen this? I have a contact who periodically sends me info since he keeps up with what is going on.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/05/video-killing-europe

 

[offthehandle]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/12340/jihad-allowance-work-ethic

Historically, Islamic society has given the highest respect and wealth not to the innovators or hardest workers; rather, is usually been bestowed on the ruling class, their families and associates. After the ruling class, the highest respect and wealth is given to the jihadist class, or military leadership class.

According to the Koran and the example of Muhammad, the spoils of war (acquired wealth through jihad) is to be given to the jihadists. Jihadists need to be kept busy against the outside world at all times to expand or maintain the power of Islam. Otherwise, the jihadist or military class might turn against the leadership and Islamic system itself. Congress recently pulled more than $300 million a year from the Palestinian Authority that the US was paying in a "pay to slay" arrangement that incentivized murder -- a "jobs program".

 

[mr-x]

No, that doesn't even make sense. Disliking somebody just because of the color of their skin is ignorant. Disliking racist people has nothing to do with the color of their skin but their ignorance, so it's justified.

And Amazon will live on, long past our existence.

1) He was being sarcastic.
2) We all have some prejudice. Get over yourself.

 

[enlytend]

«Fear has replaced confidence in American leadership. An American President who distrusts dislikes, and disrespects NATO and our allies will be winging his way to Europe this week with an agenda that is opaque to all but two men: Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin.»
https://usa.spectator.co.uk/2018/07/do-svidanija-nato/

"The North Koreans were just messing around, not serious about moving forward,"
Yep. And if, as rumored, there was a gift bag with “decadent Western culture” in it (Elton John CD) - ouch!
https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/11/politics/pompeo-north-korea-intl/index.html

And isn’t it ironic that issues pertaining to women’s health care are being decided by a bunch of geriatric men? (That was a rhetorical question - don’t even THINK of “mansplaining” it to me.)

 

[Kate]

Trump: Germany is ‘Totally Controlled By Russia’

Says the Russian agent.

 

[mr-x]

Not what he said.

 

[JB Lions]

Not what he said.

"'Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia,' U.S. president says because of gas pipeline"

"He singled out Germany for particularly sharp criticism, saying the country was “totally controlled by Russia” because of its dependence on Russian natural gas."

It's exactly what he said (in video below). Try some legit news sites, so you don't always come here misinformed. Maybe Comrade Trump is suffering from Stockholm syndrome, fell in love with Putin.

 

[offthehandle]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-captive-germany-nato-summit-081237901.html

“Trump demanding that NATO allies "reimburse" Washington for defending the continent.“

Excellent news if true. I say, If Merkel does not make payments in full immediately, pull out all foreign troops! Not only reimburse, but calculate all back payments from 2014 when they renegged to bring it all up to date. It’s only fair.

Another kick over the beehive move. I love it.

I see the criticism is being deflected away from issue at the NATO meeting and out to Putin, which is expected. Change the subject when the heat is on.

Crimea isn’t a US taxpayer problem, it isn’t a problem for 1/2 the Ukraine population who speak Russian either. I don’t care, it’s all about the money. Nor is Natural gas to heat Germany either. Nor is censorship, all are internal problems that should be solved with internal EU laws, directives and using Euro’s and handled locally.

Trump should withdraw from NATO, and double tariffs on Germany just to wake the Nanny state leader up.

 

[JB Lions]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-slams-captive-germany-nato-summit-081237901.html

“Trump demanding that NATO allies "reimburse" Washington for defending the continent.“

Excellent news if true. I say, If Merkel does not make payments in full immediately, pull out all foreign troops! Not only reimburse, but calculate all back payments from 2014 when they renegged to bring it all up to date. It’s only fair.

Another kick over the beehive move. I love it.

I see the criticism is being deflected away from issue at the NATO meeting and out to Putin, which is expected. Change the subject when the heat is on.

Crimea isn’t a US taxpayer problem, it isn’t a problem for 1/2 the Ukraine population who speak Russian either. I don’t care, it’s all about the money. Nor is Natural gas to heat Germany either. Nor is censorship, all are internal problems that should be solved with internal EU laws, directives and using Euro’s and handled locally.

Trump should withdraw from NATO, and double tariffs on Germany just to wake the Nanny state leader up.

Trump is the one doing the deflecting. There was already an agreement in place:

"Mattis joined defense ministers to discuss the individual plans that NATO countries have submitted for the first time to show how they will reach a target to spend 2 percent of economic output on defense every year by 2024."

He knows it's 2024.

And double the tariffs?

 

[offthehandle]

And isn’t it ironic that issues pertaining to women’s health care are being decided by a bunch of geriatric men? (That was a rhetorical question - don’t even THINK of “mansplaining” it to me.)

Back to coat hangers. Except they are made of plastic now. That’s a sick disgusting sarcastic joke, abortion isn’t going to be overturned.

I bet the SC will push it back to individual states they will handle it with separate laws. So, those irresponsible women who cant figure how to use birth certificate control pills, simply Leave their home state on a Greyhound, and get a taxpayer funded free abortion from wealthy NYC area or Silicon Valley. The laws should be modified to less than 90 days (like elsewhere and EU) and other bad circumstances ie: rape, etc, not abused and used as birth control is now. Gov’t out of the bedroom.

 

[offthehandle]

And double the tariffs?

Why not? Whatever wake up call is needed. The beehive needs to kicked over immediately. This is a wake up call that countries should not expect the US taxpayer to pay their bills anymore. Done. 2024? So germany saves 0.8% of their GDP for 6 more years? What about back payments? Meanwhile the US pays 3.65% of a much larger GDP? This does not make sense. Greece and Poland are paid up.

 

[JB Lions]

Back to coat hangers. Except they are made of plastic now. That’s a sick disgusting sarcastic joke, abortion isn’t going to be overturned.

I bet the SC will push it back to individual states they will handle it with separate laws. So, those irresponsible women who cant figure how to use birth certificate control pills, simply Leave their home state on a Greyhound, and get a taxpayer funded free abortion from wealthy NYC area or Silicon Valley. The laws should be modified to less than 90 days (like elsewhere and EU) and other bad circumstances ie: rape, etc, not abused and used as birth control is now. Gov’t out of the bedroom.

Oh boy.

First, this is what would happen if it was overturned - https://www.washingtonpost.com/grap...-rights-supreme-court/?utm_term=.d94f2dec060c

Then, you realize birth control is not 100% effective?

Then, what about those religious people who are against abortion, even in cases of rape, because they believe it is a life.

Then you said gov't out of the bedroom, when this does the opposite.

Why not? Whatever wake up call is needed. The beehive needs to kicked over immediately. This is a wake up call that countries should not expect the US taxpayer to pay their bills anymore. Done. 2024? So germany saves 0.8% of their GDP for 6 more years? What about back payments? Meanwhile the US pays 3.65% of a much larger GDP? This does not make sense. Greece and Poland are paid up.

Because it hurts Americans, it's stupid.

Yes, 2024. That was the deal. Trump is just deflecting. And it's not a good habit to go around breaking deals, violating agreements etc. Probably, part of the reason the NK stuff isn't going to get done. Trump can't be trusted.

 

[mr-x]

"'Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia,' U.S. president says because of gas pipeline"

"'Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia,' U.S. president says because of gas pipeline"

Trump: Germany is ‘Totally Controlled By Russia’

So I'm right. Again.

 

[JB Lions]

"'Germany, as far as I'm concerned, is captive to Russia,' U.S. president says because of gas pipeline"

Trump: Germany is ‘Totally Controlled By Russia’

So I'm right. Again.

No, you idiot, I literally posted video. It's exactly what he said.

‘Germany Is Totally Controlled By Russia’

Not what he said.

Right from his mouth.

 

[mr-x]

And isn’t it ironic that issues pertaining to women’s health care are being decided by a bunch of geriatric men? (That was a rhetorical question - don’t even THINK of “mansplaining” it to me.)

Irony.

Supreme Court rules on Roe vs. Wade in 1973
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/supreme-court-rules-roe-v-wade-1973-article-1.2068726

 

[mr-x]

No, you idiot, I literally posted video. It's exactly what he said.

‘Germany Is Totally Controlled By Russia’



Right from his mouth.

Someone has a stick shoved up their ass and it's blocking o2 to their brain.