The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Actions speak louder than words. Leadership requires delegation.

You can piss and moan and spin the facts all you want. Yuge check off the todo list for President Trump.

 

[mr-x]

A year after giving him the job, Obama sacks his hardman Afghan general
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Rolling-Stone-wimps-White-House-article.html

Obama Fires Top General Without Even a Phone Call
http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-fires-top-general-without-even-a-phone-call/article/697744

‘Mad Dog’ Mattis returns to rip Obama’s ‘unguided’ ISIS strategy
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/sep/1/james-mad-dog-mattis-retired-us-commander-rips-oba/

Feckless, micro-manager, wimp.

 

[mr-x]

ISIS came about around 2003, Bush, your other Messiah.

That's the difference between you and me JB. I don't mind facts, facts like Bush was as feckless as Obama when it came to being politically correct. Bush was also had poor judgment picking advisors.

I don't defend Bush b/c I don't worship him like you worship Clinton and Obama.

At least Clinton managed to run the country and get things done with a republican congress. Obama's ego wouldn't let him compromise and lack of ethics has ruined his legacy.

 

[mr-x]

The FULL paragraph:

Despite the collapse of the ‘Caliphate’ in Iraq and Syria, Islamist movements are continuing to gain momentum. ISIS remains formidable. The group retains a significant physical presence in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia and continues to direct or inspire acts of terrorism in the West, including the Halloween attack in New York and a string of atrocities across Europe.

JB Lyin

Yuuge accomplishment for the Trump admin, military leadership, US military and coalition partners.

I did, sorry. I know you wanted to give Trump all the glory. Saw the video the other day.

"The group retains a significant physical presence in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia and continues to direct or inspire acts of terrorism in the West, including the Halloween attack in New York and a string of atrocities across Europe."

Continuing policy.


Embarrassed Trump judicial pick who never tried a case withdraws
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...hdraws/ar-BBGZGhQ?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=mailsignout

 

[JB Lions]

4 posts in a row, somebody got triggered. I do find it funny you saying Bush picked poor advisors as if you have no idea who Trump is. How many people have left or been fired?

And I did post the full paragraph, I'll quote myself.

False. Even the video you posted:

"Despite the collapse of the ‘Caliphate’ in Iraq and Syria, Islamist movements are continuing to gain momentum. ISIS remains formidable. The group retains a significant physical presence in the Middle East, Africa and Central Asia and continues to direct or inspire acts of terrorism in the West, including the Halloween attack in New York and a string of atrocities across Europe."

You probably didn't watch it, as usual. You don't read the articles you post, you expect people to believe you watched an almost 1 hour video? When you couldn't watch a 1 minute video I linked to before, replying with No.

Using the source you posted........So Islamist movements continuing to gain momentum is winning?

 

[mr-x]

JB LYIN.

 

[JB Lions]

JB LYIN.

Why are you so stupid sometimes? I've posted it more than once, sometimes to emphasize my point, the whole thing here. So you actually lied twice now, saying I didn't post the whole thing, right here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/the-nps-official-usa-political-thread.764342/page-639#post-6484932

You still skipped over this part - "Islamist movements are continuing to gain momentum. ISIS remains formidable."

And the policy in Syria, Iraq was in place, I linked to an article explaining that. That was under Obama.

I think your 4 posts in a row, is you struggling to accept that reality.

 

[mr-x]

Poor JB LYIN. Trump is winning and he has the sads.

Despite the collapse of the ‘Caliphate’ in Iraq and Syria, No-one said "ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS" were defeated in Syria and Iraq.

 

[JB Lions]

Despite the collapse of the ‘Caliphate’ in Iraq and Syria, No-one said "ISLAMIST MOVEMENTS" were defeated in Syria and Iraq.

No kidding. Do you know what quotes are? Or how to read?

Read my last post, I explained it to you more than once now. You just can't admit the winning in Iraq/Syria is because of policy in effect before Trump took over. Who was President in 2015? Once more, even tho I know you won't read or struggle to understand:

'The US and 67 other nations from around the world formed a coalition to train, equip, and provide air support for the regional forces that confronted ISIS, mostly in Iraq. The US also supported Syrian forces fighting to defeat ISIS. Russia stepped in in late 2015 to provide air support for the Syrian government and allied Iranian militias, mainly backing the regime of President Bashar al-Assad against rebels threatening his rule, but also targeting some ISIS territory."

http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-military-defeat-iraq-syria-2017-11

That all started BEFORE Trump. Comprende?

Then explain how this is winning, using YOUR source:

"Islamist movements are continuing to gain momentum. ISIS remains formidable."

Continuing, meaning happening now. Who is President now?

 

[Kate]

Speaking of leadership, many ambassadorships remains unfulfilled to this day. Because 45, in his infinite wisdom, fired all ambassadors appointed under the previous administration, without first securing new candidates. Also at the State Department, many posts are vacant.
I am actually thinking this is a deliberate strategy of sabotage. The aim is a. to have 'more loyal' (read aligned) representatives posted abroad and/or b. remove local embassies from the chessboard to allow for backroom dealings, direct contacts between leaders and bypass career diplomats that are otherwise more competent and experienced.
Other nations will step in to fill the void. They are actually glad to see America shooting itself in the foot.

 

[Haris]

5) President Trump has strengthened our relationship with Israel, Jordan and the Sunni countries.

I am in a Sunni country and flags of USA are being burnt almost every single day nowadays because of that Jerusalem stuff. The relationship might be good with the governments of Sunni countries but the relationship with the people keeps getting worse.

 

[mr-x]

No kidding. Do you know what quotes are? Or how to read?

Go back and edit some more.

Read my last post, I explained it to you more than once now. You just can't admit the winning in Iraq/Syria is because of policy in effect before Trump took over. Who was President in 2015? Once more, even tho I know you won't read or struggle to understand:

The only thing that changed between 2015 and 2017 was the leadership and policy of engagement. Less than a year.

'The US and 67 other nations from around the world formed a coalition to train, equip, and provide air support for the regional forces that confronted ISIS, mostly in Iraq. The US also supported Syrian forces fighting to defeat ISIS. Russia stepped in in late 2015 to provide air support for the Syrian government and allied Iranian militias, mainly backing the regime of President Bashar al-Assad against rebels threatening his rule, but also targeting some ISIS territory."
http://www.businessinsider.com/isis-military-defeat-iraq-syria-2017-11

Again.. American military lead the fight and when leadership changed, the tide of war changed. "Red Line" Obama couldn't do it.

Then explain how this is winning, using YOUR source:
"Islamist movements are continuing to gain momentum. ISIS remains formidable."
Continuing, meaning happening now. Who is President now?

One country at time. ISIS remains formidable without a state or Gov seat. YUGE Victory.

 

[mr-x]

I am in a Sunni country and flags of USA are being burnt almost every single day nowadays because of that Jerusalem stuff. The relationship might be good with the governments of Sunni countries but the relationship with the people keeps getting worse.

I'm not saying things are great, just improving. Sunni's need help dealing with Iran, a nuclear power and they are getting it from the US.

Relations between Gov's don't always follow what citizens of either country. Especially in monarchy's or other non-representative Gov.

Serious question, what would happen if those protesters burnt the flag of their own country?

 

[Kate]

Serious question, what would happen if those protesters burnt the flag of their own country?

Something like this ?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803567993036754944

 

[mr-x]

I do find it funny you saying Bush picked poor advisors as if you have no idea who Trump is. How many people have left or been fired?

Trump is an unusual President. 90% of media coverage is negative, some actually treasonous language.

In the task of ending a 2 decade long war in IQ and AF, he's picked great leaders, delegated day to day operations and they are doing a great job. Ending the IQ war would be a legacy worth remembering.

 

[mr-x]

Something like this ?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/803567993036754944

No Kate; not a mean tweet, Actual legal consequences, if any.

 

[Kate]

No Mr-X. This is not a 'mean' tweet you conveniently sweep under the rug, this is a tweet posted by 45 in President elect capacity. Date: 29 Nov 2016. Already elected.
The full quote, for those to lazy to click: "Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"
At least you got it straight from the horse's mouth. Not a big believer in the First Amendment I would say.

Speaking of consequences, he has shown his willingness to implement extreme political measures. You still think he is bluffing ?

Once again congratulated Putin, he admires a man who is not a friend of the West and is actually actively sapping your own country. Putin must be laughing, having a useful idiot like 45 at the WH is a godsend.

 

[mr-x]

No Mr-X. This is not a 'mean' tweet you conveniently sweep under the rug, this is a tweet posted by 45 in President elect capacity. Date: 29 Nov 2016. Already elected.
The full quote, for those to lazy to click: "Nobody should be allowed to burn the American flag - if they do, there must be consequences - perhaps loss of citizenship or year in jail!"

This is a pretty typical sentiment on the far-right. Fortunately, this couldn't happen b/c we have a constitution and 3 equal branches of Gov so one bad-person can't ruin it for everyone.

** Plus, the President can't make laws. He can only approve or disapprove ( veto ) them.

At least you got it straight from the horse's mouth. Not a big believer in the First Amendment I would say.

Why would you say that?

Speaking of consequences, he has shown his willingness to implement extreme political measures. You still think he is bluffing ?

Not sure what you're referring too.

Once again congratulated Putin, he admires a man who is not a friend of the West and is actually actively sapping your own country. Putin must be laughing, having a useful idiot like 45 at the WH is a godsend.

Trump didn't give RU a contract controlling a large portion of a natural resource needed for nuclear power generation and bombs. That was President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

Would you like Trump any better if America defeated ISIS and left IQ and AF?

 

[Kate]

This is a pretty typical sentiment on the far-right. Fortunately, this couldn't happen b/c we have a constitution and 3 equal branches of Gov so one bad-person can't ruin it for everyone.

Oh yes one bad person can ruin it for everyone, for example through executive orders.
The institutions and system of checks and balances have their limits.
Guantanamo is still operating BTW. The US still maintains people in indefinite detention without trial and fair treatment (and torture, endorsed by 45). It's no wonder democracy is in retreat worldwide. Democracy heralded by the US is not an appealing model at all. The problem didn't start with 45 though, but he's not reversing the trend. He is liquidating what's left of US influence.

 

[mr-x]

Oh yes one bad person can ruin it for everyone, for example through executive orders. The institutions and system of checks and balances have their limits.

The President has a lot of power but he/she can't break the law and executive orders are temporary.

Guantanamo is still operating BTW. The US still maintains people in indefinite detention without trial and fair treatment (and torture, endorsed by 45). It's no wonder democracy is in retreat worldwide. Democracy heralded by the US is not an appealing model at all. The problem didn't start with 45 though, but he's not reversing the trend. He is liquidating what's left of US influence.

I like that Trump isn't an interventionist or worried about spreading democracy to place like Iran or NK.

Obama's foray into nation building in Egypt and Libya were as bad as GW Bush's.

He is liquidating what's left of US influence.

Wishful thinking on your part.