The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[mr-x]

Snipe, 500 pages

Trump has had a break with all these natural disasters, haven't paid attention last week or so.

Glad to hear you made it. Hope everything is still in the right place.

 

[GILSAN]

After further investigation I discovered some of the people working on those Russian Troll Farms...

 

[enlytend]

Russian interference is the issue. Regardless of whether or not it affected the election results.
You seem to think Hillary losing is the issue and the motivation. Not. That was months ago and nobody gives a crap. A foreign enemy of the country is making organized attempts to interfere with our government. Apparently, they think they've had some success.
If Hillary had won it would still be an issue. Somehow I think she would have more aggressively pursued an investigation and would have been less reluctant to call them out about it.
Whether the US itself interfered in other governments or not is irrelevant. As is anything Hillary or Obama did or didn't do.
As I said earlier, if you don't believe others about the massive numbers of fake accounts on social media and how they operate, do your own research and present your findings.

 

[mr-x]

It was such a problem that President Barack Obama and DHS decided to do nothing about it.

This is pure propaganda to delegitimize President Trump.

Russian interference is the issue. Regardless of whether or not it affected the election results.
You seem to think Hillary losing is the issue and the motivation. Not. That was months ago and nobody gives a crap. A foreign enemy of the country is making organized attempts to interfere with our government. Apparently, they think they've had some success.
Whether the US itself interfered in other governments or not is irrelevant. As is anything Hillary or Obama did or didn't do.
As I said earlier, if you don't believe others about the massive numbers of fake accounts on social media and how they operate, do your own research and present your findings.

 

[E-Promote]

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This is pure propaganda to delegitimize President Trump.

Again, not even required. He has done a fine job of that on his own, practically the only thing he has done well in office. He's the gift that keeps on giving (a bad reputation to America and the White House.).

 

[Domainace]

A foreign enemy of the country is making organized attempts to interfere with our government.

The "foreign enemy" subject of this sentence, almost every single time it has been uttered in the past 70 years, has been the United States. Interfering in foreign governments is what your tax dollars pay for. It's an all-American past-time.

The giant US complaining about little old Russia "influencing the election" is like the class bully howling, complaining and demanding justice when a little girl manages to get one shin kick in.

Just so you understand why the rest of the world finds this so pathetically funny.

 

[mr-x]

Take your own advice and Re-read, I never said I believe the intelligence reports. My point was simple. The several reasons for HC's loss does not disprove the reports yet that is how you presented it.

I also never said I believed anything coming out of the DNC. I lost all trust in the DNC at the start of the primaries.

Anyone else find it interesting that someone that just claimed that creating drama about someone is meaningless politics would then go on to do that very thing in his next post? Genius.

Your entire argument is an invective to excuse your contradictions.

 

[mr-x]

Again, not even required. He has done a fine job of that on his own, practically the only thing he has done well in office. He's the gift that keeps on giving (a bad reputation to America and the White House.).

It's called a narrative. Hating President Trump doesn't mean you can ignore the truth.

 

[mr-x]

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[enlytend]

Former Sputnik employee: Russian government sponsored site is spreading propaganda to the alt right media.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/for...e-part-of-the-right-wing-media-ecosystem/amp/

(Probably to the far left too, but the target is not the point)

 

[mr-x]

Former Sputnik employee: Russian government sponsored site is spreading propaganda to the alt right media.

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/09/for...e-part-of-the-right-wing-media-ecosystem/amp/

(Probably to the far left too, but the target is not the point)

Even if this story is true.. it didn't change a vote. If you think the "alt-right" or anyone right of center was going to vote for Hillary, you're wrong.

How many "resets" did Hillary's campaign go through? She spent the first six months of her campaign holding staged chats at coffee shops and dodging the press.

Nothing stopped her from making the rounds on EVERY morning show except her fear of being asked questions about her record and shady behavior.

RawStory.com.. A site that endorsed Keith Olbermann. About as credible as Infowars.com but less entertaining.

 

[enlytend]

Even if this story is true.. it didn't change a vote. If you think the "alt-right" or anyone right of center was going to vote for Hillary, you're wrong.

For the thousandth time:
It's. Not. About. Hillary.

It's about the future of our country.

The story was posted elsewhere. The guy has told his story elsewhere. The guy got a job with Sputnik. He quit because he didn't like the state run media / propaganda angle. Rawstory has a left bias in story selection, but a FAR better record than Infowars when it comes to fact checking.

Anyway, Rawstory or whereverer - not important in this case.I believe he was the one (or one of the ones) being questioned to determine if Sputnik is in violation of FARA

Propaganda has been Russia's playbook for decades, the media and methods have changed with the times.

 

[mr-x]

Yeah, he was shocked, SHOCKED! a state run news service was just a propaganda outlet. Whats' the point?

If it's not about Hillary losing or Trump winning, why do we care about about Russia propaganda? It's not new. They didn't recently start lying to people.

 

[E-Promote]

Your entire argument is an invective to excuse your contradictions.

Then point out my contradictions genius. I've pasted it below for your (in)convenience:

Agree, and there are even more reasons she lost but that is hardly proof that Russia didn't interfere in the election, nor does it nullify the findings of 17 intelligence agencies. Swing and a miss there Skippy.

Take your own advice and Re-read, I never said I believe the intelligence reports. My point was simple. The several reasons for HC's loss does not disprove the reports yet that is how you presented it.

I also never said I believed anything coming out of the DNC. I lost all trust in the DNC at the start of the primaries.

Anyone else find it interesting that someone that just claimed that creating drama about someone is meaningless politics would then go on to do that very thing in his next post? Genius.

 

[mr-x]

Then point out my contradictions genius. I've pasted it below for your (in)convenience:

Maybe I misunderstood you. Seems like a contradiction.

 

[johname]

Mnuchin sought military jet for his European honeymoon: report

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mn...-for-his-european-honeymoon-report-2017-09-13

 

[mr-x]

Mnuchin sought military jet for his European honeymoon: report

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mn...-for-his-european-honeymoon-report-2017-09-13

Sounds legit.

 

[E-Promote]

"If you're in the White House, who wants to take a vacation?" - Trump in Iowa on the campaign trail.

"You’re in the White House. What’s better than the White House? Why these vacations?" - Trump about BO.

In his first 13 weeks as president, Trump spent more than half of his weekends away from the White House.

He's gone on vacation 12 weekends out of 34 as President (close to 1/3).

Each weekend trip to Mar-a-Lago cost to taxpayers:

• Security in Palm Beach: Close to $4 million (total cost so far).
• Roundtrip flights from Joint Base Andrews, Maryland to West Palm, Florida: $700,000
• Overtime for local law enforcement during Trump’s trips: $60,000/day
• Total golf cart rentals ordered by the Secret Service:: $35,185
• Loss to business due to airport closure: -$30,000/weekend

The above figures do not even include:

• Keeping the first family in Trump Towers
• Trump children's trips around the world (for Trump business) with Secret Service

"Sounds legit."

 

[mr-x]

 

[E-Promote]

Wouldn't expect any less from corporate puppets posing as populists.