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1. America was never the greatest influence for peace and freedom in the 19th and 20th century. In WW1, it did very little. Even Australia helped more. In WW2, they did much on the Pacific front, but not on the European Front. The European Front was largely won by Russia. If the D-Day wouldn't have happened, the war would have ended 1-2 years later, but it still would have ended. In Africa, the german army was slowly starving, its supplies running low and no new reinforcements or supplies coming in.

If not for the USA, Germany would have rolled right over Russia and the UK. We forced them to fight on two fronts. They owned Italy. 1-2 years they would have owned the rest of EU.

I don't know if you know it, but Europe has armies, too. And we have to pay for them, too. Just like America.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

For 50 years after WWII, our armies insured your freedom from an aggressive, expanding USSR.

EU & DE couldn't feed their people let alone protect themselves. Remember what happened to East Germany? You'd be speaking Ruskie, growing potatoes and drinking to forget if not for men like my Father and Uncles.

We screwed the pooch all over south America and Cuba. Doesn't mean communist wouldn't have taken over anyway.

We also contained the Chinese. Our huge mistake in Vietnam sent a clear message. We will fight.
 
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Apparently you didn't even see the video you criticize. It has footage of the events, not people claiming something.





Please make up your mind.
I said, quote:
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Also, I am not running away from an argument. However, the facts are:

1. I have had this discussion so often now, that I become tired of it.
2. There is no point in arguing with someone that believes a random youtube video or Breitbart more than what the actual people that live there say."

But of course someone like you is going to ignore the 2 sentences inbetween the thing you quoted :D

Also, I can do a youtube video where two people beat each other up, too. And then I can say one was a Nazi and the other one was a Liberal. Do I have proof? No. Because its just two guys beating each other, you don't know their ideology.
 
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If not for the USA, Germany would have rolled right over Russia and the UK. We forced them to fight on two fronts. They owned Italy. 1-2 years they would have owned the rest of EU.



For 50 years after WWII, our armies insured your freedom from an aggressive, expanding USSR.

EU & DE couldn't feed their people let alone protect themselves. Remember what happened to East Germany? You'd be speaking Ruskie, growing potatoes and drinking to forget if not for men like my Father and Uncles.

We screwed the pooch all over south America and Cuba. Doesn't mean communist wouldn't have taken over anyway.

We also contained the Chinese. Our huge mistake in Vietnam sent a clear message. We will fight.
Oh my god, this thread is becoming more and more funny the more of you delusional patriots come in here with no knowledge of history thinking America is protecting the world for freedom blabla.

But okay:

1. USA attacked Germany 1944. By that time, Russia launched their biggest Operation ever, called "Operation Bargration". D-Day in comparison to that is puny. Also, UK never needed american help since even if Germany would have won the Battle over England, Germany was NEVER able to invade the UK. Never.

Germany rolling over Russia and UK? Lol. Where did you learn history m8? Germany was 10 kms in front of Moscow and yet got beaten back by the Russians. That was Germanys only chance to defeat Rusia. After that, it went downhill. And by 1944, Germany had the war already lost, it was just a matter of time.

So yeah, Italy.... What did you achieve? It took you very long to fight the germans in Italy and when the war was over by 1945 you barely managed to take advantage of your win in Italy (e.g. crossing the alps in northern italy to attack germany from the south).

2. Correction: For 50 years, America's CIA installed Dicatorships in South America by replacing democratically elected presidents.

Now, it might have been that without America Europe could not have withstanded Russian agression, but that doesn't change the fact that in the last 50 years, America has been destabilizing countries. Alot of countries.

EU and DE not feeding their people and not protecting themselves? Okay, first of all: Stop using the word EU. EU did not exist in WW2 nor in Cold war. Call it Europe. Secondly, there have been no food shortages in Europe and Germany? The fuck? Even in Soviet occupied countries, people could feed themselves, they just didn't have a diverse set of food. It was mostly the same always.

And not being able to protect themselves? Bro, Europe had armies. Even Germany was later allowed to have an army again. Where the fuck do your get your history knowledge from?

Oh, I see. Because Russia would have placed dictatorships themselves in South America, its completely fiune that the USA does it? WHAT A FUCKED UP LOGIC IS THAT?

A country can install dictators because "another country might have done the same?" WTF

Oh my god, jesus. What do they teach you in american schools????
 
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Oh my god, this thread is becoming more and more funny the more of you delusional patriots come in here with no knowledge of history thinking America is protecting the world for freedom blabla.

A f*ckED UP LOGIC IS THAT?

A country can install dictators because "another country might have done the same?" WTF

Oh my god, jesus. What do they teach you in american schools????

Bless your heart.

I wonder what kept Germany from completely fire bombing the UK into submission.. Could have been Allied air superiority.. could have been luck.

Maybe those merchant seamen who risked their lives to deliver a steady supply of food, guns, ammo, plane, cars, helped a little.

After starting TWO world wars, Germany was prevented by treaty from keeping an offensive army. Defending yourself from the USSR would have been some feat considering y'all were starving.

USSR took EVERY country in east Europe including half of Germany. I can't imagine why the just stopped where the US soldiers were standing.. with tanks, planes and NUCLEAR weapons.

Then some soft hearted American named Marshall came up with a plan to spend 130 billion dollars in Europe to keep people from starving. Everyone kept telling him, they'll just buy beer with it.. but he knew better.

You keep thinking the USSR just tore down that wall b/c they wanted to be friends. Good for you. Just don't get mad and start burning people in ovens again and we're cool.
 
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Bless your heart.

Just don't get mad and start burning people in ovens again and we're cool.

Bam, served.


Oh my god, this thread is becoming more and more funny the more of you delusional patriots come in here with no knowledge of history thinking America is protecting the world for freedom blabla.

I have a degree in History, d---wad, and can assure you, I am quite well versed on military history over the last two centuries, thank you. I am trying to figure out if you are trolling, or just a prolific, uneducated elitist. If you are a troll, well played, sir. If you are simply uneducated, well, try harder.
 
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Sure, the same women that pushed to keep him out of power. Don't fool yourself with empty punchlines. Those two are far from bribe buddies
 
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Bush won from rigging Florida and Obama certainly ain't win from rigging. So its Trumps party that does rigging. It's his party that has made it hard for many people to vote. Get the facts straight.

Trump should man up and stop making excuses for everything... I bet they rigged his failed casinos too, I bet they rigged his scam business school, I bet they rigged the tax code that he happily benefited from with n complaints until he is running for president, I bet they rigged all the American factories so he has to make all his ties and products overseas, why are people doing this to him...
 
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Bush won from rigging Florida and Obama certainly ain't win from rigging. So its Trumps party that does rigging. It's his party that has made it hard for many people to vote. Get the facts straight.

Trump should man up and stop making excuses for everything... I bet they rigged his failed casinos too, I bet they rigged his scam business school, I bet they rigged the tax code that he happily benefited from with n complaints until he is running for president, I bet they rigged all the American factories so he has to make all his ties and products overseas, why are people doing this to him...
My opinion is that Bush should NEVER have won the 2000 elections, not because of Florida, but because of receiving half a million less votes nationwide than Al Gore.

The American Electoral College system is NOT democratic. The only true democratic elections is when the winner is elected because he/she gets more votes than his opponent. Any other system is BS and undemocratic.

The UK is even worse. The British Parliament has a total of 650 Members of Parliament.
In last years General election the Conservative Party won the election with 330 seats (51%) with just 36.9% of the popular vote, while on the other end, the UKIP party managed to get only 1 seat with a total of 13% of the vote. That's shocking!

If these UK elections were truly representative and proportional, then UKIP should have had elected 85 MP's (instead of only 1) with their 13% of the vote, while the winners, the Conservative Party should have had only 240 MP's (instead of the 330) for their 36.9% of the popular vote and therefore forced to form a government in coalition with another party, to get a majority in Parliament.

As for the rigging, in the US elections, there is absolutely no doubt that the biggest riggers by a massive margin are the Democrats. They are really experts thanks also to the fact that they have 90% of the MSM on their side, inventing stories against Trump like the 10 women that rocked up last week crying crocodile tears about how Trump had forced himself on them 30-35 years after they claim it happened.

All this with the help of that man hating Gloria Alred, as well as the Clinton Machine and the all powerful Liberal Obama & Hillary Kiss A$$ Media, brainwashing everyone that follows them into believing that Trump is evil and Hillary is a saint.

The Liberal Media did an excellent job in electing Obama and are working even harder to get Hillary elected. Problem is they are confronting someone who is Politically Incorrect and calls them out for what they: a bunch of lying, biased so called journalists that are nothing more than Media prostitutes who should be ashamed of themselves.

I can, to a certain point understand the Democrats trying by hook or by crook wanting to win the election, but what I can't understand is those motherf**ker media bastards, being so biased towards only one party. They should be investigating both sides... not just Trump.

As for Obama, he won because it was Politically Correct to elect a Black guy. Once again the Liberal Media have been mere Lapdogs and totally subservient to Obama. He could sh*t on their faces and they'd say it had an nice exotic smell.

Oh, and lets not forget the many Black districts, or counties or whatever, that voted 100% for Obama on previous elections. If that is not called rigging, then it's called racist. Take your pick.

The other thing is Voter ID that Democrats keep moaning about. Every bloody country in this world that has elections, even the poorest countries has ID Cards that you take with to vote. It's easy to see why Democrats don't want Voter ID's. So that dead people, Illegal aliens and people from other states, can go and vote for them. There's a Video that came out last week about it, but the biased Liberal Media does NOT want to show it, because it's bad for Hillary. It may make her lose a lot of votes.

Same story with all the Wikileaks info coming out against the Clinton Machine. And what does the BS Liberal Media say?
 
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the electorial college was part of smaller states(unpopulated) insisting on it so they wouldn't be forgotten by the gov because if just a few of the populated states would have enough votes to pretty much control who got elected, they felt and were probably right, that they would become basically powerless in a union of states.
 
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the electorial college was part of smaller states(unpopulated) insisting on it so they wouldn't be forgotten by the gov because if just a few of the populated states would have enough votes to pretty much control who got elected, they felt and were probably right, that they would become basically powerless in a union of states.
That was a long time ago, since all States are now populated.
Just like voting on Tuesdays had a good reason to be, a long time ago. But makes no sense on the 21st century
 
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I think a couple still have more cows than people
 
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I think a couple still have more cows than people
New Zealand has more sheep than people... what does that make them?
 
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As for Obama, he won because it was Politically Correct to elect a Black guy.

Obama won squarely, and lets be real... with the America we live in, it's never politically correct for a black guy to be running the country. Hillary was to have that election in the bag. And He won again a second term clearly.
Districts that voted for him overwhelmingly.. obviously were proud to. Black America don't just vote for someone because they are black... Try putting Al Sharpton or anyone else on the ticket? If they didn't believe in him as a leader etc he would have no chance. Because they won't be embarrassed. And the Democratic party plan to win, would not in a million years be a black man with a middle eastern name. And he certainly would have had no chance to beat Hillary if it was up to the establishment. A women president would be historic in itself too. He put in the grassroot work from day one like Sanders.

I would choose him any day over Hillary,Trump or Bush. I just don't like Hypocrisy: Bush started a war, killed thousands of Americans and left us in a great recession and we are going to act like it was Obama's fault? Anyway that's another Topic.

And to be honest: Neither Trump nor Hillary are Saints. But Hillary has been dragged in the mud over this email issue for pretty much the whole campaign.. while Trump has a new thing coming up every week and we are gonna ignore that and be shocked why support for him has been minimal?

Rigged? Lets See:
  1. Trump has driven away women (by his own words and actions)
  2. He has driven away Immigrants (by his own words and actions)
  3. I even hear white Americans saying they are ashamed of him because he doesn't represent them
  4. African Americans are not with him?
  5. He has spoken bad of our military
So a simple venn diagram would say he rigged himself.
 
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I think a couple still have more cows than people
Actually that may mean bad news for Trump. The Clinton Machine will probably take advantage of this and teach the cows to vote Democrat.
 
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It's ironic that the same guys who criticize liberals saying "get a job" spend all day, every single day posting political cartoons on this forum. I'm neither democrat nor republic but jesus some of you need a hobby
 
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