The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
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2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[johname]

POLL: BERNIE SANDERS SURGING, HILLARY CLINTON CRATERING

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ie-sanders-surging-hillary-clinton-cratering/

 

[GILSAN]

But it never occurred to you that there are Muslims on NP ?

So what?

Refugees have valid reasons for fleeing their country. It's nothing new.
There is something called human rights, international law, asylum. It is governed by international treaties, it's not something that the States can freely ignore. Not even you.
There is no such thing as illegal person.

These people arriving here are NOT coming directly from Syria. They are coming mostly from Turkey where they've been staying for many months and years. Turkey is not at war, so they are NOT being persecuted.
People are not illegal, but immigrants are, if they cross a border without a Visa or Passport or legal papers. Try doing that into an Arab country and see what happens to you.

Since you are from Portugal, you may know (or not) that many Portuguese fled during the Salazar years in search of economic opportunities or just to skirt military service. It's even possible that somebody from your family or relatives benefited from asylum in France or another European country.

There are major differences in the Portuguese that went to France compared to Muslims and other illegals coming into Europe.
1. Portuguese immigrated to France LEGALLY. They arrived there with LEGAL work permits.
2. They didn't go there to milk the system. They went there to WORK. Everywhere you find Portuguese you will find they are regarded as Hard Working people.
3. Portuguese didn't go to France to create havoc and riots or killing Jews or journalists or slitting throats of unbelievers. They abide by the laws of the country.
4. Portuguese are totally integrated into French and other societies where they immigrated to. They didn't force their culture on other countries, unlike so many of the Muslim immigrants do.

There is just no comparison.

BTW, we have lots of Brits, French Germans, Dutch, Brazilian etc who decided to make Portugal their home. We love them, because they don't come here and impose their cultures on us. They ARE very welcome. Even the Chinese who are extremely hard working are welcome because they don't come here to milk the system or to create confusion and havoc.
Then again their Buddhist religion is a peaceful one unlike the so called "Religion of Peace", which simply doesn't get along with all the other religions in the world, because they think they are superior to the "Kafirs"

What is worrying is your lack of open-mindedness and your inability to consider a situation from a different point of view, at least from time to time.

What is worrying is your unwillingness to hear the truths and your inability to consider that lots of people have a different point of view to yours.

The majority of people in Europe are getting pissed off with the way the EU is handling the illegal immigration situation.

 

[Kate]

These people arriving here are NOT coming directly from Syria. They are coming mostly from Turkey where they've been staying for many months and years. Turkey is not at war, so they are NOT being persecuted.

So Turkey and the neighboring countries should absorb all the misery ? Nice.
Since the US did a good job of destabilizing the region what would be fair is that they step up to the plate.

1. Portuguese immigrated to France LEGALLY. They arrived there with LEGAL work permits.

Not true. While the Salazar regime tried to control emigration, a lot of of it took place clandestinely. People just fled the country fending off for themselves.
Admit it. Those people were not invited and had no job waiting for them.

In fact, I don't blame them at all. Quite the opposite. Yet most of those people were not persecuted. Anyway. But since it would be unfair to apply double standards, I try to show as much understanding toward today's refugees. I'm not saying I am good person or holier than thou either. I don't judge them.

4. Portuguese are totally integrated into French and other societies where they immigrated to. They didn't force their culture on other countries, unlike so many of the Muslim immigrants do.

I understand very well. You don't like Muslims and that's why you continue to tarnish them all with the same brush even while they are fleeing Islamic extremism.

Did you know that there are still economic migrants among the Portuguese people.

More than 2% of Portugal's population have emigrated in the past two years, since the country entered the worst recession in decades, officials say.

Jose Cesario, the secretary of state for emigrant communities, said up to 240,000 people had left since 2011.

Most were young, highly-educated people fleeing to Switzerland or the oil-rich former Portuguese colony Angola.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-21206165

You thinking what I think ?
Bastards. They should stay where they are. Those economic migrants. How dare they leave.
How can we tolerate this. Bloody invaders.

 

[GILSAN]

'We can't take any more!' Germany stops ALL trains from Austria as they reintroduce border controls and temporarily suspend Schengen Agreement

Read more:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rink-humanitarian-disaster.html#ixzz3laS8nOog

LOL! So, Frau Merkel, you first invite 800.000 into Germany this year alone, then you bully EU countries into accepting quotas of illegals (except for the smart Eastern Europeans, who have said "NEIN")

Now you realize that the avalanche of illegals is just overwhelming. Hey Angela, you should listen to what the majority of people in Europe are saying, not reading and listening to the BS MSM.

 

[GILSAN]

So Turkey and the neighboring countries should absorb all the misery ? Nice.
Since the US did a good job of destabilizing the region what would be fair is that they step up to the plate.

No, they don't have to absorb all the misery. They should be divided among the Arab states, especially the stinking rich ones already mentioned. Most of the destabilizing done in Syria is by Arabs. You can't blame the US for everything

Not true. While the Salazar regime tried to control emigration, a lot of of it took place clandestinely. People just fled the country fending off for themselves.
Admit it. Those people were not invited and had no job waiting for them.

You have no idea what you're talking about.
After WW2, in the 1950's, 60's and early 70's and due to an economic upturn, France recruited mostly male workers from Italy, Portugal, Spain, Belgium, Germany, Poland and Russia, meaning that these people (not just Portuguese) were allowed to go to France LEGALLY and work there.

In fact, I don't blame them at all. Quite the opposite. Yet most of those people were not persecuted. Anyway. But since it would be unfair to apply double standards, I try to show as much understanding toward today's refugees. I'm not saying I am good person or holier than thou either. I don't judge them.

And why should they have been persecuted? They went there to work, because France was recruiting workers. They didn't go to France to milk the system or to create havoc.

I understand very well. You don't like Muslims and that's why you continue to tarnish them all with the same brush even while they are fleeing Islamic extremism.

The problem starts with Muslims NOT liking or respecting other religions. They've proved that time and time again. Every day in the world they have problems with Christians, with Buddhists, with Jews, with Sikhs, with Atheists and even among themselves. They feel superior to everyone else. They feel offended all the time

In Rome do as the Romans do. They can't come to Europe and try to change our culture or force their ideology on us. They either integrate or go back to their countries or shit holes as you call them. Problem is, most of them are NOT doing that and the main reason is because their religious ideology is totally incompatible with ours or even other distant parts of the world.

Did you know that there are still economic migrants among the Portuguese people.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-21206165

You thinking what I think ?
Bastards. They should stay where they are. Those economic migrants. How dare they leave.
How can we tolerate this. Bloody invaders.

Unfortunately for Portugal "most are young, highly-educated and skilled people" as the article says. It's unfortunate because our country spent millions to put these people through university only to see them leave and have other countries take advantage of their skills and knowledge. It's a great bonus for countries that receive them. And once again they are going LEGALLY.

For that we can thank our worthless, corrupt, POS politicians for the economic crisis we are going through. I would gladly exchange 1000 Syrian Refugees for our 200 and something Members of Parliament (of all parties) provided they are sent to an ISIS or Taliban infected area..... and never allowed to return to Portugal. That would be a fantastic deal.

BTW, Portugal was bullied into accepting 5000 illegals/refugees, which will start arriving in the beginning of October. Somehow, miraculously they've managed to find lots of unused apartments and houses, a very large % of which belonging to the Catholic Church. Isn't that nice? Each new immigrant will cost €1500 a month.

Funny that all these apartments and houses were not around for the thousands of homeless and extremely needy Portuguese population, who have suffered a lot of hardships thanks to our Political Class of Asses.

Oh, almost forgot to mention.... the vast majority of these 5000 new arrivals will be coming from Egypt, yes, I repeat, EGYPT. Isn't that interesting?

 

[Kate]

You see Gilsan, it's simple really, your country continues to export economic migrants. They were not invited anywhere. They invited themselves period. I am sure they will do fine nonetheless. I'm okay with that, because I am pro-freedom of movement, even for personal reasons but maybe we could show some leniency and give other people a chance too. Especially those who have more compelling reasons for fleeing. See what I mean ?

It's ironic that your own country takes advantage of the hospitality of other nations, but you won't even take in a mere 5000 migrants in distress. Probably you think European solidarity should be one-sided: subsidies from the EU are appreciated but when it comes to helping other EU member countries there is no answer.

You said holier than thou ?

If you really can't really stand economic migrants then begin with your own.

Since you made your views clear, you certainly want your fellow countrymen to be fingerprinted upon arrival too, then processed like cattle and fed like animals, and kept in detention centers for a while until we clear their status. You understand, I'm sure that at least a few of them have a criminal background of some sort. Wouldn't you agree Gilsan ?
I know you would, because you are not a hypocrite, and you wouldn't back double standards. You wouldn't.

 

[GILSAN]

You see Gilsan, it's simple really, your country continues to export economic migrants. They were not invited anywhere. They invited themselves period.

You obviously don't know your ass from your elbow about Portuguese migrants.

95% of these highly educated and skilled people were offered job opportunities by foreign companies, hospitals and clinics, who came to various cities in Portugal by arranging recruiting fairs to interview candidates.

Here's a link that explains that. So as you can see they didn't have to invite themselves... they were offered employment, right here in Portugal.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...rs-hospitals-tell-foreign-health-workers.html

And another thing, these Portuguese are not illegals in the EU, unlike the avalanche of people coming from the Middle East, Asia and Africa.

It's ironic that your own country takes advantage of the hospitality of other nations, but you won't even take in a mere 5000 migrants in distress.

"5000 migrants in distress"? How the hell do we know they are all in distress, when they don't want to be identified or fingerprinted? They've probably been in Egypt for several years, a country that is not at war with it's neighbors. Since they don't want to take in any of their Muslim brothers, why don't the stinking rich Golf countries help financially? This is an Arab problem... let them sort it out themselves.

Europe has already let in many millions of illegals in the last 20-30 years. Many of these people don't want to integrate or respect our laws. Time to start drastically restricting illegals.

Since you made your views clear, you certainly want your fellow countrymen to be fingerprinted upon arrival too, then processed like cattle and fed like animals, and kept in detention centers for a while until we clear their status. You understand, I'm sure that at least a few of them have a criminal background of some sort. Wouldn't you agree Gilsan ?
I know you would, because you are not a hypocrite, and you wouldn't back double standards. You wouldn't.

If a Portuguese citizen enters a foreign country illegally on purpose, without ID or Passport and then refuses to be Identified or fingerprinted, then starts protesting, refusing water and food donated by the Red Cross and creating havoc, then I say YES, he deserves to go to jail and get fingerprinted and then kicked out of that country, because it's pretty obvious that his intentions were not good.

 

[Kate]

You obviously don't know your ass from your elbow about Portuguese migrants.

What I know for sure, is that your country is still a net exporter of economic migrants. We have already established that. But it's the exact type of people you say should not be allowed to leave their country. Double standards ?

95% of these highly educated and skilled people were offered job opportunities by foreign companies, hospitals and clinics, who came to various cities in Portugal by arranging recruiting fairs to interview candidates.

Refugees have skills and diplomas too. There are jobs to fulfill everywhere.

Are you telling me that the 200,000 Portuguese who recently left your country all had prior invitation and arrangements from foreign employers ? Seriously.

And another thing, these Portuguese are not illegals in the EU, unlike the avalanche of people coming from the Middle East, Asia and Africa.

I already told you that, illegal means nothing. The refugees will register with the host authorities upon arrival. In fact, they must do so in order to claim all those generous benefits you're talking about. Remember ?

Now we have a glaring example of European arrogance, when the European countries conveniently forget that they were refugees too, that they exported their own citizens all over the world. But now they want to enjoy unlimited freedom of movement, the freedom to travel anywhere for any reason, the right to pursue a better life elsewhere.
But they deny other people the same rights and freedoms.What was that word again ? You said something like thinking they are 'superior'. Personally I would say there must be some remnants of the colonial mindset too...

By the way: isn't it ironic that tens of thousands of Portuguese have settled in Angola in recent years, an African country that is on the whole still poor, much poorer than Portugal. So what we have here is a relatively 'rich' European country that sends its citizen to Africa, but it doesn't want poor people from Africa (or elsewhere) coming in to the metrópole. One-sided freedom. Unlimited rights for the White, zero leniency for the others.

This is what I call the inability to consider a situation from different points of view.

 

[GILSAN]

You stupid liberal bleeding hearts really think you can impose your views on everyone else, don't you? You want to force countries to allow illegals into Europe without asking questions? Just let them in, you say

Germany says they will accept 800.000 this year, which now has been updated to 1 million. Then they turn around and say refugees must be divided into quotas for other EU countries to swallow, weather they like it or not.

What about next year... is the German government going to up that to 2 million and then impose more quotas on everyone else? Considering that 80% of these people are young males, how many thousands of Jihadists, criminals and rapists are going to be infiltrated among them? That doesn't seem to bother you, does it?

Well it bothers the majority the majority of Europeans, especially after so many Islamic terrorist attacks against inocent European citizens

And lets not forget that pretty soon after these millions are allowed in, they will be able to bring in their families as well and we all know how large those families can be. Pretty soon we will have tens of millions of mostly Muslims here, on top of the 40-50 million already living here.

How are you going to deal with an ideology that wants to impose Sharia law, once they become a majority in the major cities in Europe? Tell me how? Right now there are hundreds of no-go areas in the UK, France, Holland, Belgium and Sweden where infidels and police are not welcome and if you happen to go to these areas, you do it at your own risk.

Sweden, that peaceful, tolerant country that does no harm to no one and helps everyone and used to have an extremely low crime rate, is now the RAPE capital of the World, thanks to an avalanche of Eritrean, Somalian, Afghanis and other Muslims, who regard all Swedish women as whores and deserve to be raped. If this is what you like, then you're a fuc--ng liberal idiot

How about the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal in the UK, perpetrated by mostly Pakistani Muslim Paedophile gangs, that went on for years, under the noses of local authorities who covered it up because they were reluctant to take action, because it could offend Muslims and be regarded as racist. I'l bet as a bleeding heart liberal you're OK with that as well?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ving-sex-victims-Rotherham-abuse-scandal.html

Here's your good friend Anjhem Choudury, who hates Brits and hates unbelievers and will enforce Sharia Law all over the UK in the not too distant future, bullying a British cop because he supports his fellow British soldiers. Just imagine that. I'm sure you are also OK with that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5L9SExquao

How about the IKEA stabbings by 2 Eritrean refugees who had been in Sweden for just one month (obviously they were never screened when entering the country) who viciously butchered a Swedish doctor and her son to death inside the store. Want to know what the pathetic bleeding heart Liberal Swedish authorities did to prevent this type of incident from happening again? Check out the Video below. Unbelievable, but I'm sure you're also OK with this!

As for your insistence on Portugal's immigrants, once again you know absolutely fu-k all about the subject, so it's pointless trying to flog a dead horse.

But I do have a question: tell me how many terrorist attacks have been perpetrated by Portuguese, in Europe or around the world. How many?

Pat Condell explains so much better what I think of Progressive bleeding heart liberals like yourself

 

[Kate]

As I said earlier, asylum is governed by international treaties. The States cannot just ignore international law, even though they are not very motivated to help refugees (with a few exceptions).
If I understand you correctly, we should do nothing to help refugees. Personally I have a problem with that, if we are indifferent to the plight of refugees and somebody asks what makes us different than Daesh for example, I don't know what the answer should be ?
Answer: they are Muslims and we are Christians ?

You cannot shut the door on migrants or refugees, while at the same time allowing your own people to emigrate in droves to other countries, including poor countries. They are not even fleeing persecution. It's not rational. Keep your own people at home if you don't like migrants. Of course this would mean trampling on human rights and freedom.

Concerning Sweden, the figures are high because the scope of the law on rape has changed and is broader now, even in the way incidents are accounted. The figures are very misleading when comparing apples to oranges. Each country has its own definition of rape.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
Personally I find the figures to be still abnormally 'low'. I am certain that the prevalence of rape is higher in Iceland for example.

A 2010 study found that 6% of Icelandic women had suffered sexual violence in an intimate relationship during their lifetime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Iceland
No Sweden is not Baghdad.

Always the same never-ending fear-mongering: refugees are going to slit our throat, rape us, steal our jobs, impose sharia upon us yet they are fleeing Islamic extremism. Go figure.
Note that the problems is always the Muslims and only the Muslims. The homegrown racists, the fascists, the people like Brevik are depicted as 'extremists', but not as terrorists. In order to earn the terrorist label you have to be Muslim it seems. The semantics are strange but telling.

You always make dramatic posts, as if you were reporting from the frontline in Afghanistan (or Israel) but no, you don't live in the ghetto. You live on the cozy, peaceful island of Madeira where there are no Muslims. Well I have been to Madeira 4 years ago and I didn't see a visible, prominent Muslim presence. In fact I'm beginning to think you haven't met a lot of Muslims in your whole life. All you think you know, comes from dubious ultra rightist disinformation sources, that you are willing to trust like gospel.

Living on a small island can nurture a siege mentality it seems

When you have instilled fear in people they stop thinking rationally. In fact they don't think at all.
It's the way governments rule the 'sheeple', and it really works.

Fear fear fear.

 

[GILSAN]

As I said earlier, asylum is governed by international treaties. The States cannot just ignore international law, even though they are not very motivated to help refugees (with a few exceptions).
If I understand you correctly, we should do nothing to help refugees. Personally I have a problem with that, if we are indifferent to the plight of refugees and somebody asks what makes us different than Daesh for example, I don't know what the answer should be ?
Answer: they are Muslims and we are Christians ?

You cannot shut the door on migrants or refugees, while at the same time allowing your own people to emigrate in droves to other countries, including poor countries. They are not even fleeing persecution. It's not rational. Keep your own people at home if you don't like migrants. Of course this would mean trampling on human rights and freedom.

Concerning Sweden, the figures are high because the scope of the law on rape has changed and is broader now, even in the way incidents are accounted. The figures are very misleading when comparing apples to oranges. Each country has its own definition of rape.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
Personally I find the figures to be still abnormally 'low'. I am certain that the prevalence of rape is higher in Iceland for example.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#Iceland
No Sweden is not Baghdad.

Always the same never-ending fear-mongering: refugees are going to slit our throat, rape us, steal our jobs, impose sharia upon us yet they are fleeing Islamic extremism. Go figure.
Note that the problems is always the Muslims and only the Muslims. The homegrown racists, the fascists, the people like Brevik are depicted as 'extremists', but not as terrorists. In order to earn the terrorist label you have to be Muslim it seems. The semantics are strange but telling.

You always make dramatic posts, as if you were reporting from the frontline in Afghanistan (or Israel) but no, you don't live in the ghetto. You live on the cozy, peaceful island of Madeira where there are no Muslims. Well I have been to Madeira 4 years ago and I didn't see a visible, prominent Muslim presence. In fact I'm beginning to think you haven't met a lot of Muslims in your whole life. All you think you know, comes from dubious ultra rightist disinformation sources, that you are willing to trust like gospel.

Living on a small island can nurture a siege mentality it seems

When you have instilled fear in people they stop thinking rationally. In fact they don't think at all.
It's the way governments rule the 'sheeple', and it really works.

Fear fear fear.

Take your Muslim refugee friends to your house. The rest of us don't want them here in Europe. Here's one refugee that would love staying with you. He obviously doesn't like me as he is threatening to slit my throat as can be seen on the video, but I'm sure the two of you will get along just fine. "Birds of a feather flock together"

The rest that don't fit in your house can go to the filthy rich Arab countries. The whole of the Middle East is to blame for this confusion, so let them sort it out themselves.

Europe cannot be the depository of all the trash from around the world.

 

[GILSAN]

Because Denmark decided to cut welfare benefits in half to illegals and refugees, they rather go to Sweden where they can get everything for free and a "full salary" as one of them explains to the reporter
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/09/14/denmark-slashes-benefits-diverts-migrant-flow-to-sweden/

 

[iowadawg]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-migrants-and-the-elites-1441924372

And I agree, those who want muslims, should have them next door to where they live.
Would love to see a few hundred dropped on where Kate lives.

 

[johname]

Turned from the football game to see Trump in Dallas Live now

 

[GILSAN]

Turned from the football game to see Trump in Dallas Live now

Watching him now on CNN

 

[GILSAN]

 

[iowadawg]

I mute all political ads.
Or switch channels.

 

[GILSAN]

Newly Arrived Muslim kid in Hungary Makes Throat Slitting/Beheading on TV
He looks about 10 years old and already been brainwashed to come and slit our throats.
Isn't that cute... Kate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=0sn4koQUzHQ

Or how about these refugees also in Hungary singing "Allahu Akbar", looking pretty pissed off and ready to start a riot: they look Pakistani and so does the flag, so I'm sure they must be protesting against being Identified and getting finger printed.

They probably threw away their documents before entering Hungary and probably claim they are Syrian in the hope of being classified as refugees.

Hey, I have a wonderful suggestion; why not send them to Kate's neighborhood. I'm sure they will be very welcome there and live happily ever after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=222&v=lKVMlmC1HSM

 

[verbster]

http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-migrants-and-the-elites-1441924372

And I agree, those who want muslims, should have them next door to where they live.
Would love to see a few hundred dropped on where Kate lives.

This kind of hateful post is unacceptable.

 

[verbster]

Newly Arrived Muslim kid in Hungary Makes Throat Slitting/Beheading on TV
He looks about 10 years old and already been brainwashed to come and slit our throats.
Isn't that cute... Kate?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=5&v=0sn4koQUzHQ

Or how about these refugees also in Hungary singing "Allahu Akbar", looking pretty pissed off and ready to start a riot: they look Pakistani and so does the flag, so I'm sure they must be protesting against being Identified and getting finger printed.

They probably threw away their documents before entering Hungary and probably claim they are Syrian in the hope of being classified as refugees.

Hey, I have a wonderful suggestion; why not send them to Kate's neighborhood. I'm sure they will be very welcome there and live happily ever after.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=222&v=lKVMlmC1HSM

It's time to end this thread