The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[johname]

Romney not running is very simple, he figured out Jeb Bush will get the big contribution money this go around. Better to bow out than dip too much into the family fortune

 

[verbster]

Romney not running is very simple, he figured out Jeb Bush will get the big contribution money this go around. Better to bow out than dip too much into the family fortune

Thanks to the Supreme Court, there is plenty of untraceable corporate / super-pac money for those who don't mind a few strings (and most don't anymore--on both sides). For instance, the Koch brothers are spending 889 million bucks for this 2016 presidential election, and maybe more when the election date approaches. Strings? For one, they just happen to have a huge stake in the Canadian Tar Sands oil project, which just happens to be connected to the Keystone oil pipeline project . . . which not so coincidentally was the first point of business passed by the new congress.

 

[Domainace]

Yep, most politicians are owned, and those who refuse to be don't get very far. Don't forget Soros and the latest kingmaker, Tom Steyer.

This is where the hypocrisy of many is laid bare. Always the evil Koch brothers - never a bad word about Soros. It's not the money being used to buy influence, it's the ideology that rankles.

The more serious question is this: Why get angry at Koch or Soros for using their money to get what they want? They are just one side of the transaction. Their partners are the politicians who are paid out of the pockets of working Americans, and who promised to faithfully represent those same working Americans.

Yet, they are lining their pockets and the pockets of their pals, mostly at the taxpayers's expense. Since the bailout of the crooks on Wall Street in 2008, there has been a continuous massive transfer of wealth from working people to the connected few. Mostly covered by the adorable face of Obama - the first "people's" president.

And yet, some think the solution is to give these politicians even more power. So they can steal even more, I guess.

For this reason alone, everybody should want a Republican president. Not because they are more honest, but because they are more heavily questioned by the media and the public. These issues might actually start to get attention. Nothing more dangerous than a politician everybody adores.

 

[verbster]

Yep, most politicians are owned, and those who refuse to be don't get very far. Don't forget Soros and the latest kingmaker, Tom Steyer.

This is where the hypocrisy of many is laid bare. Always the evil Koch brothers - never a bad word about Soros. It's not the money being used to buy influence, it's the ideology that rankles.

The more serious question is this: Why get angry at Koch or Soros for using their money to get what they want? They are just one side of the transaction. Their partners are the politicians who are paid out of the pockets of working Americans, and who promised to faithfully represent those same working Americans.

Yet, they are lining their pockets and the pockets of their pals, mostly at the taxpayers's expense. Since the bailout of the crooks on Wall Street in 2008, there has been a continuous massive transfer of wealth from working people to the connected few. Mostly covered by the adorable face of Obama - the first "people's" president.

And yet, some think the solution is to give these politicians even more power. So they can steal even more, I guess.

For this reason alone, everybody should want a Republican president. Not because they are more honest, but because they are more heavily questioned by the media and the public. These issues might actually start to get attention. Nothing more dangerous than a politician everybody adores.

You were doing so well until you got to the nonsense at the end. At the least you could have left it at most politicians on both sides share the blame and greed, or maybe even offered some semblance of a solution, but no, you had to pitch electing a Republican president, not because they are more honest or deserving, but because they get questioned more about their actions by the left-leaning mainstream media and the left wing public. Hmmmm......Yeah, that's the same left wing media you and other conservative Republicans constantly criticize as being unfair to conservatives for too much scrutiny. So in a nutshell you're saying we should elect a Republican president because the liberals and liberal media that Republicans hate and conveniently blame for everything will now keep a Republican president honest. Jeez, what better reason to vote Republican.

"Since the bailout of the crooks on Wall Street in 2008, there has been a continuous massive transfer of wealth from working people to the connected few. Mostly covered by the adorable face of Obama - the first "people's" president."

Considering the mess he inherited, things look pretty good today; but with all the sneering and name-calling, your intensity seems to go beyond the parameters of just political disagreement. I don't hear many Republicans whining about the economy anymore, especially about the bailouts that started with Bush in 2008 and continued with Obama. That's probably because the repayments, dividends, interest, warrants and asset sales have resulted in a net profit back to the government treasury of billions of dollars. (Just out of curiosity, I'd love to know the political affiliations of all the "crook" CEO's saved by the bailouts, wouldn't you?)

Funneling money to politicians in return for unfair political and/or financial advantage used to be called bribery; not so after theSupreme Court uncorked the corporate contribution cash bottle (say that five times fast) with their ruling on Citizens United. Billion dollar contributions are nice and legal now, but that doesn't make it right. In my opinion, that court ruling sums up the differences between Republicans and Democrats: The five Republican Justices vote for unlimited contributions; the four Democrats opposed it.

 

[GILSAN]

Good luck Greece. Hope you kick the EU's ass really hard. Finally a government that appears to have grown some big ones and say... Enough of austerity!!!! Give us some breathing space.

 

[forge]

Rand Paul and Gov. Christie are both morons regarding their comments about vaccinations in the midst of a growing measles outbreak, IMO. In particular Rand Paul's comment about "mental disorders" being linked to vax. Way to spread the paranoia, and the diseases!

 

[GILSAN]

Rand Paul and Gov. Christie are both morons regarding their comments about vaccinations in the midst of a growing measles outbreak, IMO.

What did they say about vaccinations?

 

[forge]

What did they say about vaccinations?

The comments are out there on the major MSM, sorry I don't have a link. I do believe ultimately that parents should have the right to choose (vax or no vax) but I think the timing of their remarks couldn't be worse.

I hinted at what Paul said today, above.

 

[GILSAN]

Rand Paul and Gov. Christie are both morons regarding their comments about vaccinations in the midst of a growing measles outbreak, IMO. In particular Rand Paul's comment about "mental disorders" being linked to vax. Way to spread the paranoia, and the diseases!

Would this be it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/rand-paul-child-vaccinations_n_6599560.html
Quite frankly I don't see anything moronic about what he said.

I've never had a flu shot in my life and never will. But if I lived in the US I'd probably be called a freak for not taking a flu shot.

 

[verbster]

Would this be it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/rand-paul-child-vaccinations_n_6599560.html
Quite frankly I don't see anything moronic about what he said. .

You know, these people running for the presidency of the United States should inspire confidence they know what they are talking about. People look up to them for leadership and believe what they say. When Rand Paul says he's "heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines" all people hear is that vaccines give kids mental disorders... and worse yet, some people believe it. . . after all, a presidential candidate is supposed to know something like this is true before saying it.

Unfortunately, once again science and research were thrown out the window in favor of "many" cases he's supposedly "heard of,"
not that he has first-hand knowledge of, not that he's seen, not that he can provide evidence of, just heard about. There's a reason hearsay isn't allowed in court testimony. By saying something like this, he really is spreading falsehoods and putting kids in danger. Plus, it just makes him appear stupid, especially when his claim is followed by, "I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing." Well, which is it?

I've never had a flu shot in my life and never will. But if I lived in the US I'd probably be called a freak for not taking a flu shot.

I bet you got a measles vaccination, though, didn't you . . . and probably polio and more back in school.

 

[forge]

You know, these people running for the presidency of the United States should inspire confidence they know what they are talking about. People look up to them for leadership and believe what they say. When Rand Paul says he's "heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines" all people hear is that vaccines give kids mental disorders... and worse yet, some people believe it. . . after all, a presidential candidate is supposed to know something like this is true before saying it.

Unfortunately, once again science and research were thrown out the window in favor of "many" cases he's supposedly "heard of," not that he has first-hand knowledge of, not that he's seen, not that he can provide evidence of, just heard about. There's a reason hearsay isn't allowed in court testimony. By saying something like this, he really is spreading falsehoods and putting kids in danger. Plus, it just makes him appear stupid, especially when his claim is followed by, "I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing." Well, which is it?

Honestly, I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

I found it interesting that the HuffPo (which is not even close to being a trusted news source) article stated Rand Paul had "personal knowledge" of such cases, whereas the ABCNews article quoted him as saying he's "heard of." Hearsay, exactly.

 

[GILSAN]

You know, these people running for the presidency of the United States should inspire confidence they know what they are talking about. People look up to them for leadership and believe what they say. When Rand Paul says he's "heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines" all people hear is that vaccines give kids mental disorders... and worse yet, some people believe it. . . after all, a presidential candidate is supposed to know something like this is true before saying it.

Unfortunately, once again science and research were thrown out the window in favor of "many" cases he's supposedly "heard of,"
not that he has first-hand knowledge of, not that he's seen, not that he can provide evidence of, just heard about. There's a reason hearsay isn't allowed in court testimony. By saying something like this, he really is spreading falsehoods and putting kids in danger. Plus, it just makes him appear stupid, especially when his claim is followed by, "I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing." Well, which is it?

Huff Post's very deceptive headline:
Rand Paul: Children Got 'Profound Mental Disorders' After Receiving Vaccines

What Rand Paul said.... according to Huff Post:

"We sometimes give five or six vaccines all at one time," he said of immunizations of newborns for Hepatitis B. "I chose to have mine delayed....Do I think it's ultimately a good idea? Yeah. So I had mine staggered over several months. I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing. But I think parents should have some input. The state doesn't own your children, parents own their children, and it is an issue of freedom. "

In my opinion a candidate that tells the truth inspires a lot more confidence than one who tells you only what the majority of people want to hear, which is the vast majority of them.

Maybe I'm part of a minority of people who likes to hear the truth... especially in Politics

I bet you got a measles vaccination, though, didn't you . . . and probably polio and more back in school.

Yes, I got my vaccines in school... but NOT all at once. And my kids got theirs, but NOT all at once.

If they give so many vaccines all at once in the USA, then there's something wrong with the system. Even a moron can see that something like that could have serious health repercussions on some children.

Rand Paul is right, and I approve his message

 

[GILSAN]

Honestly, I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

I found it interesting that the HuffPo (which is not even close to being a trusted news source) article stated Rand Paul had "personal knowledge" of such cases, whereas the ABCNews article quoted him as saying he's "heard of." Hearsay, exactly.

You obviously didn't read the article very well. HuffPo wrote "personal knowledge" of such cases as well as... he's "heard of" on the same short article. Now if that confuses you, then the only way you can know for certain what he actually said is to hear the Video interview where he clearly says that he's "heard of"

Typical Liberal media.... always changing the meaning of things and lying by omitting the truth so many times.

 

[RogueWriter]

The Republican congress is busy putting together the membership of important 2015 committees. There are several of note, but here are three that I found especially entertaining:

1. Congress has decided to place Texas Senator Ted Cruz as the new chair of the Subcommittee on Space, Science and Competitiveness. Cruz is a hardcore disbeliever in climate change, and, until appointed to this position, has tried to defund NASA (but now seems to think Texas can get NASA back on track - "NASA, this is Houston calling . . . .") Woohoo! Go Ted.

2. Another terrific choice: Marco Rubio, another hardcore climate change denier, will be the chair of the Subcommittee on Oceans, Atmosphere, Fisheries and Coast Guard. Right on, Rubio!

3. Mega-anti-immigration Senator Steve Sessions is now the chair of the Senate judiciary subcommittee on immigration.

So, let's get this straight, you are complaining that a party that won an election based on a specific platform should not actually put members in appropriate places to enforce the ideals that got them elected in the first place?

 

[RogueWriter]

Thanks to the Supreme Court, there is plenty of untraceable corporate / super-pac money for those who don't mind a few strings (and most don't anymore--on both sides). For instance, the Koch brothers are spending 889 million bucks for this 2016 presidential election, and maybe more when the election date approaches. Strings? For one, they just happen to have a huge stake in the Canadian Tar Sands oil project, which just happens to be connected to the Keystone oil pipeline project . . . which not so coincidentally was the first point of business passed by the new congress.

What have you got against the Keystone oil project?

Did Obama's campaign managers ever publish the list of foreign donors that gave money in the 2008 campaign? Now, I've slept since then, but I believe there were millions of dollars donated ( Didn't one journalist even donate using the name 'Osama Bin Laden? and the money was accepted )

 

[verbster]

So, let's get this straight, you are complaining that a party that won an election based on a specific platform should not actually put members in appropriate places to enforce the ideals that got them elected in the first place?

What the Republicans are doing is the equivalent of putting a faith-healer in charge of a hospital. Good luck with that.

 

[GILSAN]

What the Republicans are doing is the equivalent of putting a faith-healer in charge of a hospital. Good luck with that.

Sounds better than having a Golf player in the White House

 

[verbster]

What have you got against the Keystone oil project?

Why would I be in favor of it? How is it going to help the U.S. in any meaningful way? Why do you think it's a good decision?

Did Obama's campaign managers ever publish the list of foreign donors that gave money in the 2008 campaign? Now, I've slept since then, but I believe there were millions of dollars donated ( Didn't one journalist even donate using the name 'Osama Bin Laden? and the money was accepted )

Yeah, and he smoked pot, too. I'm sure he's even farted once or twice. Hell, I'll bet he let the air out of the footballs, too

My point was the Citizens United Supreme Court decision is not good for the election process, no matter the political leaning. What does the 2008 election have to do with that beyond an unproven allegation of accepting a $15 donation that was made to look like it came from a foreign contributor, but wasn't?

 

[verbster]

Sounds better than having a Golf player in the White House

I'm afraid you're confusing avocation with vocation, and vocation with vacation.

 

[verbster]

Huff Post's very deceptive headline:
Rand Paul: Children Got 'Profound Mental Disorders' After Receiving Vaccines

What Rand Paul said.... according to Huff Post:

"We sometimes give five or six vaccines all at one time," he said of immunizations of newborns for Hepatitis B. "I chose to have mine delayed....Do I think it's ultimately a good idea? Yeah. So I had mine staggered over several months. I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines. I'm not arguing that vaccines are a bad idea, I think they're a good thing. But I think parents should have some input. The state doesn't own your children, parents own their children, and it is an issue of freedom. "

"Huff Post's very deceptive headline: Rand Paul: Children Got 'Profound Mental Disorders' After Receiving Vaccines"
Rand Paul's quote: "I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines." Okay. What's the deceptive part?

In my opinion a candidate that tells the truth inspires a lot more confidence than one who tells you only what the majority of people want to hear, which is the vast majority of them.

You believe Rand Paul was telling the truth when he said, "I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking, normal children, who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines" even though he couldn't name a single example or point to any legitimate scientific research that backs him up.

Maybe I'm part of a minority of people who likes to hear the truth... especially in Politics

You like to hear what you think is the truth because it is already what you believe, just like most people.

Yes, I got my vaccines in school... but NOT all at once. And my kids got theirs, but NOT all at once.

I'm amazed you can remember what you got at one time when you were still in diapers.

If they give so many vaccines all at once in the USA, then there's something wrong with the system. Even a moron can see that something like that could have serious health repercussions on some children.

Yeah, we're mostly morons here. A lot of people believe in Bigfoot, too. Last Satruday late night/early morning,Sunday, there was a religious guy on TV curing people of their serious diseases by touching their forehead. Every few minutes, after healing people, he would take a break and do a few minutes of selling Glorious Spring Water that could cure all kinds of maladies. I'm sure many people ordered the bottled water.

Rand Paul is right, and I approve his message

Rand Paul is no different than any politician when it comes to making shit up and spreading it around.