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Who is to Blame for the Troubled US Economy?

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Of course having 15$ in my pocket instead of 9.32 is more. However there is no free lunch.
Where did this 15$ come from? Perhaps it came from increased prices OR less workers being hired. So this does not help "the poor" as it leads to less employment and more regulations for businesses. If it gets too crazy then businesses will just leave. YEs of course some businesses pay stupidly low wages, however having a minimum wage is like shooting yourself in the foot. It just doesnt work. How long has there been a minimum wage in the USA? Great results so far!

Not really, a lot of the negative affects people talk about aren't there or are overblown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage

If people have more money in their pocket, they tend to spend it. Spending stimulates the economy. There is also less turnover, so less training which costs......... money. So money/time is saved there.

It hasn't kept up like it was supposed to/intended, Republicans keep voting against it, blocking it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimu...inimum_to_Average_Wage_for_OECD_Countries.png

$7.25 an hour, c'mon. I'm not saying anything like $20 but $10.10 doesn't seem bad.
 
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HI,
So the city council decides what the miniumim wage is? Even if it does that would still be centraly planed economy.

Central planning is what governments do, big and small. Are you opposed to that, too?


Of course having 15$ in my pocket instead of 9.32 is more. However there is no free lunch.
Where did this 15$ come from? Perhaps it came from increased prices OR less workers being hired. So this does not help "the poor" as it leads to less employment and more regulations for businesses.

You are making assumptions and then treating them as facts. You mean where did the extra $5.68 come from. And "perhaps" it came from tax breaks to businesses. If you don't know, don't act like it is a valid argument. You don't know what it leads to yet, as it's new.

If it gets too crazy then businesses will just leave. ".

You mean like the big corps that go to China? With how cheap they can get labor, no wonder they moved there. When workers make $10 or less a day, why wouldn't they go there? But if China had a $10 per hour minimum wage, they would stay here and help the economy.

YEs of course some businesses pay stupidly low wages, however having a minimum wage is like shooting yourself in the foot. It just doesnt work. How long has there been a minimum wage in the USA? Great results so far!".[/QUOTE]

A liberal democrat is a small skip to something like the comunist party USA, on many issues there is agreement. "

This does not mean that you are a communitst per se, however if you are going to go around and say something like " that is like the tea party , you should join the tea party" then it is by no means far reaching to say, "that is like the comunist party usa, you should join them".

thanks for bringing my attention to the USA Communist party. It's an interesting website, and definitely not "communist" in the cold war evil sense of the word. Their problem is using the word, "communist." Many Americans are socially trained to hate or distrust anything to do with that word, especially since it was associated with truly absolutist, despotic, cruel, governments.

Here's what those USA Communists say they stand for: "A better and peaceful world is possible โ€” a world where people and nature come before profits. Thatโ€™s socialism. Thatโ€™s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA."

They support net neutrality. They are against the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Hmmm.... Maybe they believe in a global minimum wage. . .


 
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Not really, a lot of the negative affects people talk about aren't there or are overblown.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_wage

If people have more money in their pocket, they tend to spend it. Spending stimulates the economy. There is also less turnover, so less training which costs......... money. So money/time is saved there.

One thing you don't understand is a "forced" higher consumer surplus. When someone has more money, corporations will want more of it. This essentially takes the same $5 hamburger and turns it into $7 (to pay employees more, or keep it at $5 and run other small businesses out). What has changed? You wen't from $9.32 to $15, but you still have the same spending habits. How does this stimulate the economy by creating jobs when it's economics 101 states that it's false?

The demand for labor will be negatively sloped in all types of production for two reasons. First, a rise in the wage rate increases the costs of firms producing the commodity, forcing them to raise their selling prices. As the price of the product rises consumers will buy less of it and less output will be produced and sold. This means that less labor will be used. Second, since a rise in wages makes labor more expensive relative to capital, firms will substitute capital for labor. This means that less labor will be used to produce whatever output the firms in the industry sell.

It hasn't kept up like it was supposed to/intended, Republicans keep voting against it, blocking it.

Exactly, because it hurts, more than it will ever help. There will be more people on social programs, keeping American's sucking on the teet of the American government and voting liberals with these views to continue the suckle.


Although I don't believe Wikipedia to be 100% truthful, here is a counter argument to your graphic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_rates - Notice the United States starts at 0%, whereas almost all the other countries have a higher flat tax system to help pay for all the social programs they have.

$7.25 an hour, c'mon. I'm not saying anything like $20 but $10.10 doesn't seem bad.
When Obama signed the $10.10 in, it just so happened to be the time of the Fiscal Year that many contracts were up and needed to be bid on through RFP's. As in most cases, the lowest bidder wins the contact. They will have to pay $10.10 at a minimum per employee. As they bid so low, they are not making the profits that they wished (and help their investors out), so they cut back on labor or make extensive policies to overwork people by mandating two 15 minute breaks and 1 hour for lunch (using time systems like Kronos with ID's).

As Kronos tracks by the minute, a good employee may get fired if deemed necessary due to it giving them a point for being even a second late (or early) clocking in because they're at a higher rate (say $25/hour before this).

I've seen people that were "over paid", get released because they were seconds late and points built up on their employee record for 1) clocking in a second early or 2) clocking in a second late. In addition to that, I've seen contracts be bid on so low that they need to be sub-contracted out from corporations like Lockheed Martin to smaller businesses so that $10.10 can be paid. This keeps LM profiting without dispensing their valuable assets around the world (human assets) with relocation expenses, cost of living adjustments, etc.

So tell me, how is $10.10 or even $15 helpful to anyone with an education of economics and a little bit of what I've seen in the government contracting world?

I would just like to propose an alternative and keep the minimum wage in America as is, easing it to no price floor at all. This will create competition among corporations of who pays more and who can hire the most qualified workers. Surely, this will give Wal-Mart a wake-up call as other retailers would pay more to compete with insider knowledge. What are your opinions on that? Nonsense? It borderlines that, but it may be effective.

http://www.bloomberg.com/video/what-will-15-minimum-wage-do-to-seattle-th8Feb8iTnCse9gSzdriyQ.html - First speaker (Richard Vedder, Ohio University Professor of Economics) hits it hard in 45 seconds, then you have a liberal speak tip-toeing around the issue like they always do (if you're right, just stop watching, though Richard Vedder goes on more to teach you some more economic principles).
 
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The Top 10 Countries with the Highest Minimum Wages

http://www.therichest.com/business/the-top-10-countries-with-the-highest-minimum-wages/

Something that has not been mentioned is the impact that illegal workers have on lowering the wages, which companies love. Because they are so grateful for any job, they will work for lower wages and minimal or no benefits, therefore enabling employers to make higher business profits.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/illegal-aliens-taking-u-s-jobs

Most Politicians are mere puppets and defenders of Big Corporations. These in turn don't give a flying crap about their workers and will pay extremely high wages to executives to find ways to pay lower wage employees the minimum possible.

Big companies in the 21st century are vastly different from the ones of 40-50 years ago. Today they want slaves working for them so that their top executives can earn indecently high wages and unbelievable benefits. They (Politicians and Big Corporations) are the scum of the earth, and as the years pass their control over everything we eat, drink, read, think and do, just gets stronger and stronger.

A massive revolution to remove this cancer from our society is long overdue.

http://www.owen.vanderbilt.edu/faculty-and-research/vanderbilt-business-
inbrief/lobbying-expenditures-yield-big-returns-for-companies.cfm

Why is it that Canada, right next door, has a minimum wage and things appear to work fine there, with a standard of living that, correct me if I'm wrong, is higher than the US. The same can be said about Europe where most countries have a minimum wage.

I say the problem is because of Politicians and Big Corporations. They need to have their wings clipped and the sooner the better.

When corporations bankroll politics, we all pay the price

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/29/capitalism-bankrolls-politics-pay-price



 
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Central planning is what governments do, big and small. Are you opposed to that, too?

yes, I am opposed to violence and coercion, that is what goverment is all about.
You are making assumptions and then treating them as facts. You mean where did the extra $5.68 come from. And "perhaps" it came from tax breaks to businesses. If you don't know, don't act like it is a valid argument. You don't know what it leads to yet, as it's new.
No, when I say perhaps I mean perhaps. I guess I am not allowed an opinon as it is new. OK then all things new can not be commented on and there are no facts regarding them, so since it is such a great idea lets just see what happens right? If we use force to dictate the economy then it should be for the better of the poor? No.

You mean like the big corps that go to China? With how cheap they can get labor, no wonder they moved there. When workers make $10 or less a day, why wouldn't they go there? But if China had a $10 per hour minimum wage, they would stay here and help the economy.
No, I did not say China. Why are you -making assumptions and then treating them as facts- the fact is that I did not say China. Why? Because I mean in general, it is not hard to understand. If I am a business and the regulations make it impossible for my business to profit, then I will leave. That is it.

thanks for bringing my attention to the USA Communist party. It's an interesting website, and definitely not "communist" in the cold war evil sense of the word. Their problem is using the word, "communist." Many Americans are socially trained to hate or distrust anything to do with that word, especially since it was associated with truly absolutist, despotic, cruel, governments.

Here's what those USA Communists say they stand for: "A better and peaceful world is possible โ€” a world where people and nature come before profits. Thatโ€™s socialism. Thatโ€™s our vision. We are the Communist Party USA."

They support net neutrality. They are against the Trans-Pacific Partnership.

Hmmm.... Maybe they believe in a global minimum wage. . .
Umm no they are Communist in the very sense of the "cold war evil sense of the word". Yes of course Americans are socialised to distrust the word "communist". This party is comunist through and through, they are Marxist-Leninists "Our outlook is based on the social science of Marxism-Leninism". I am very sure they would support a world wide minimum wage, but this is of couse an assuption and not a fact. Join the fight! Sign UP! They even think that being a party and voting can be one step in the process towards socialism! I have not searched the archives, however I would also asume that they supported the regimes of soviet russia, cuba, venezuela and have interesting opinions about China and North Korea. You can decide for yourself if they support " truly absolutist, despotic, cruel, governments."

What I was saying though is that the whole concept of "that is a tea party comment, you should join them" - "that is a commuinst comment you should join them" mode of commenting doesnt help anything. It is used to defame someone and is an attempt to paint there opinion as invaild without discussing the point at hand.
 
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Now here's a breath of fresh air:
Uruguay's Josรฉ Mujica is considered the world's โ€˜Poorest presidentโ€™ and he donates 90% of his salary

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-ramshackle-farm-gives-90-earnings-away.html

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"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning" - Henry Ford 1922

This is a video everyone should watch, so as to understand what these bastards are doing to us:

 
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Read in the paper this morning that the USA is now the #1 oil producing country in the world, just edging out Saudi Arabia, but even though we produce 11 million barrels per day, we still import 7.5 million barrels per day to support our thirst.
 
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Read in the paper this morning that the USA is now the #1 oil producing country in the world, just edging out Saudi Arabia, but even though we produce 11 million barrels per day, we still import 7.5 million barrels per day to support our thirst.

If we would just raise the minium wage more then people could afford solar panels for their homes, but I am sure there is a conspiracy against that.
 
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"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning" - Henry Ford 1922

This is a video everyone should watch, so as to understand what these bastards are doing to us:


The one that believes in UFO cover ups and The Breakaway Civilization. Yeah, sounds sane.
 
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If we would just raise the minium wage more then people could afford solar panels for their homes, but I am sure there is a conspiracy against that.
You think people on minimum wage own homes?
 
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The one that believes in UFO cover ups and The Breakaway Civilization. Yeah, sounds sane.

My favorite quote from the Breakaway Civilization site:

Looking back, we now know that 9/11 was a Mass Occult Sacrificial Ritual. It was meant to show the world that the Freemasons, actually a satanic off-shoot of the Freemasons, were now on the move to take over the planet. It marked the day that traditional religionโ€™s reign on planet Earth was to be replaced by the new (although ancient) satanic magi โ€œilluminatedโ€ ones, that have been planning a comeback for thousands of years.

I suppose some think if radical assertions can't be proven wrong, they must be given the benefit of the doubt.
 
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You think people on minimum wage own homes?
You honestly to God believe that when minimum wage rises, people will be able to buy homes? :-/
 
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You think people on minimum wage own homes?
Im sure if you are renting you could put a solar panel on the roof anyway, if not , just pass a law that dictates to the owners that they have to allow such action.
The one that believes in UFO cover ups and The Breakaway Civilization. Yeah, sounds sane.

Yes David Icke is in that video, therefore ingore the entire video.
You honestly to God believe that when minimum wage rises, people will be able to buy homes? :-/
Of course! More money in my pocket is more money in my pocket, it is simple math!
 
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Im sure if you are renting you could put a solar panel on the roof anyway, if not , just pass a law that dictates to the owners that they have to allow such action.

If you're renting, I'm sure it's in the lease that you pay for all damages and don't necessarily have to ask for permission to install them. On the safe side, I would ask the landlord and get a revamped lease.

Of course! More money in my pocket is more money in my pocket, it is simple math!
It's simple economics that disprove your theory.
 
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Personally I don't care if there is a minimum wage or not... as long as companies don't pay you slave wages, and get away with it. which is exactly what's happening more and more nowadays. If they don't want to pay decent wages where people are more motivated to work, then let them close down. Sooner or later another company will open up to replace that one, hopefully with a different mentality towards workers.

The faster companies realize that their greatest asset to being successful and profitable, is their workers and to treat them with respect, the better. Pay the workers a decent wage and most of them will give their best.

Companies are getting too damn greedy. Look at what American and European companies are doing by outsourcing to Asia and other developing countries. If no one can clip their wings then governments should impose import duties on outsourced products from those same companies. If the imported products become more expensive then let it be. If I can't afford then I will not die because I can't get the latest iPad.

Free trade agreements would be fine if they were a 2 way street, but a lot of the time they are not. The Chinese can put their cheap, mostly crappy products in Europe and the US, without import duties, but they tax a lot of our products heavily to protect their industries and companies. This is not the Chinese fault, it's our cowardly, mostly Liberal "No Cojones" Governments that have bowed down to the Chinese for various reasons. In the case of the US it's because of the trillions in debt they have towards the Chinese. In Europe's case, it's for being weak and submissive to their pressure.

Read article: The Best Minimum Wages In Europe
http://www.forbes.com/2009/08/31/europe-minimum-wage-lifestyle-wages.html

Where it says:
The Scandinavian countries of Sweden, Norway, Finland and Denmark donโ€™t donโ€™t have a minimum wage at all because they are so highly unionized. โ€œThe unions there felt that a national minimum wage would interfere with collective bargaining, and it might even bring the price of labor down,โ€ says Chater.

Nordic countries prefer to have a collective agreement between unions and employers as the reference point for wages, not one set by the government. In some cases, particularly in Denmark, Chater says that has led to a very strong degree of cooperation between employers and workers. โ€œItโ€™s quite harmonious. Thereโ€™s a balance in the level of compromise.โ€


Of course the Scandinavian model will never work in most countries for various reasons, but it just shows that most companies will never pay decent wages willingly.
 
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Im sure if you are renting you could put a solar panel on the roof anyway, if not , just pass a law that dictates to the owners that they have to allow such action.

When I had a couple of homes I rented out, had any of them attempted to install solar panels I would have sued them immediately. Renters are not forever, but the holes they would place on my ten thousand dollar roof would remain.

With the successful manner in which Obama has advanced Obamacare, tax increases, the unenforcement of illegal alien deportation laws, etc., I am surprised he has not tried to force mandatory solar panels ( purchased via a Democrat donors' Green Energy firm, no doubt ) upon his peasantry.
 
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You honestly to God believe that when minimum wage rises, people will be able to buy homes? :-/

If you're renting, I'm sure it's in the lease that you pay for all damages and don't necessarily have to ask for permission to install them. On the safe side, I would ask the landlord and get a revamped lease.


It's simple economics that disprove your theory.

Hi,
I am agreeing with you BTW.

When I had a couple of homes I rented out, had any of them attempted to install solar panels I would have sued them immediately. Renters are not forever, but the holes they would place on my ten thousand dollar roof would remain.

With the successful manner in which Obama has advanced Obamacare, tax increases, the unenforcement of illegal alien deportation laws, etc., I am surprised he has not tried to force mandatory solar panels ( purchased via a Democrat donors' Green Energy firm, no doubt ) upon his peasantry.

What? You are against solar?! 'NO! But yea like I said, why stop at a minium wage? Why stop at 10.10$ Just flaten out all wages and go to a real controled economy.
 
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You honestly to God believe that when minimum wage rises, people will be able to buy homes? :-/
Show me where I wrote anything that even implies a person making an increased minimum wage will be able to buy a house. Why do you keep making stuff up?
 
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