The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[N-A]

You admit this, yet you feel comfortable spouting doomsday nonsense about the USA. On one hand you say we're in a time of tyranny of all things, but on the other you also criticize both countries for trying to have a livable minimum wage. Wonder if you could live on less than ten bucks an hour or even $15.

You're hoping it works, right?

No, I'm hoping it fails miserably so that economics is made a general education requirement in high schools after we feel the final effects.

Gotta love In abstentia opinions coming from someone who admits he doesn't even know much about the politics of the country he's lived in for the past eight years.

I know quite a bit about Japanese politics as I've taken 3 Japanese history and government courses. However, this doesn't compare to the knowledge I have on our own political system.

"Tyranny and oppression?" Good grief.

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship.

How many times has Obama used executive powers that are against public opinion (or a democracy)?

He even broke laws to return a traitor who got many people killed, Jesus. How can one still be in power after that? 5 FOR 1? NOPE!

I was trained that if I were caught to only provide 4 pieces of information and if I were to be KIA/MIA, I would eventually turn up... whether it be in pieces in a box or years later. No appeasing governments to get one "prisoner" back.

 

[verbster]

I was trained that if I were caught to only provide 4 pieces of information and if I were to be KIA/MIA, I would eventually turn up... whether it be in pieces in a box or years later. No appeasing governments to get one "prisoner" back.

Jeez, your Boy Scout troop is a lot tougher than mine was.

 

[N-A]

Jeez, your Boy Scout troop is a lot tougher than mine was.

Probably went Chair Force then. Any intelligence you could have given to the enemy was the forecast for the week ahead.

I like how you deflect on issues I brought up, but point out qualities in myself.

Typical liberalism.

 

[Domainace]

Not worth it.

 

[verbster]

No, I'm hoping it fails miserably so that economics is made a general education requirement in high schools after we feel the final effects.

I'm sure your "hometown" values your hopes that they fail miserably so they have a reason to add "minimum wage economics 101" to their high school curricula. After all, it's just poor people trying to make a living on minimum wage. Don't suppose a high school class would help them, but who cares, right?

I know quite a bit about Japanese politics as I've taken 3 Japanese history and government courses. However, this doesn't compare to the knowledge I have on our own political system.

Woo-hoo!

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship.

I see you picked the mildest or definitions. If you really believe Obama has absolute, unrestrained power, maybe you should take some courses on US politics.

How many times has Obama used executive powers that are against public opinion (or a democracy)?

Less than Bush, I would guess. I can tell you Obama has issued 168 Executive Orders in six years compared to 292 for Bush in eight years. You do realize the US is a republic and understand what that means, right?

He even broke laws to return a traitor who got many people killed, Jesus. How can one still be in power after that? 5 FOR 1? NOPE!.

Some say he broke a law, some say not. I think he may have broken the 30 day notice rule in the spending bill, but I'll wait until the investigation is over.

I was trained that if I were caught to only provide 4 pieces of information and if I were to be KIA/MIA, I would eventually turn up... whether it be in pieces in a box or years later. No appeasing governments to get one "prisoner" back.

if you were caught? Caught doing what? Living in a Rambo fantasy? No one can stand up to extended "advanced" interrogation, especially the kind where you turn up in pieces.

 

[N-A]

Debating with a liberal is like a dog chasing his tail. I'm done. Happy 4th.

The administration did state they broke the law and bypassed Congress to get the traitor back. If it had gone through Congress, NOPE. The left saw a way to 'seize the opportunity to get one of our own back' and traded 5 horrific terrorists for 1 person who got how many Soldiers killed looking for him? And what's that Soldiers' sentence going to be? Five years in captivity is enough. Let's award him the PoW medal, with that since he was 'hurt in captivity', let's give him a Purple Heart (no evidence, but have to be awarded anyway by law). Then, let him get 100% disability from the VA (~$3000/mo), make his father a caretaker (~$1500/mo) and full retirement benefits from the ARMY as well as keep his 300k in retroactive back pay. A solid $6000/mo in retirement benefits coming his way because he wanted to hang out with the jihad instead of doing his [...] job over there. Bravo Obama, way to keep troops in line.

FOR:

God bless those that did live the Rambo fantasy and made it through, KIA/MIA/POW. People are trained to not be as weak as you think and to give their lives in order to save others (check out SERE training BTW).

 

[GILSAN]

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

Everyone except for the

Liberals could see that a long time ago

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theov...bush-quinnipiac-poll-reagan-clinton/11985837/

He will breaks the charts by the time he leaves Office

 

[johname]

I would like to hear from those that picked Dwight Eisenhower as the worst president. Sixty year grudge for the highway program.

 

[JB Lions]

Poll: Obama 'worst president' since World War II

Everyone except for the

Liberals could see that a long time ago

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theov...bush-quinnipiac-poll-reagan-clinton/11985837/

He will breaks the charts by the time he leaves Office

He also got 4th best President. More a reflection of the power of social media.

 

[DU]

Big Ron the best... lmfao

 

[GILSAN]

If you are flying into the US from Europe and the Middle East and you notice in the coming days that your flying experience will become increasingly inconvenient, stressful, and even more time-consuming than ever before, then don't forget to thank a follower of the Religion of Peace for it.

 

[verbster]

Debating with a liberal is like a dog chasing his tail. I'm done. Happy 4th.)

You're doing a little bow-wowing of your own. You complained that I didn't reply to your post, and when I did, you complained about that. I'm starting to notice a pattern.

The administration did state they broke the law and bypassed Congress to get the traitor back. If it had gone through Congress, NOPE. The left saw a way to 'seize the opportunity to get one of our own back' and traded 5 horrific terrorists for 1 person who got how many Soldiers killed looking for him? And what's that Soldiers' sentence going to be? Five years in captivity is enough. Let's award him the PoW medal, with that since he was 'hurt in captivity', let's give him a Purple Heart (no evidence, but have to be awarded anyway by law). Then, let him get 100% disability from the VA (~$3000/mo), make his father a caretaker (~$1500/mo) and full retirement benefits from the ARMY as well as keep his 300k in retroactive back pay. A solid $6000/mo in retirement benefits coming his way because he wanted to hang out with the jihad instead of doing his [...] job over there. Bravo Obama, way to keep troops in line..)

Think positive! If Berdahl is as bad as you think, maybe he will be court martialed and put in the slammer where other inmates will practice their own type of advanced penetration techniques on him.

God bless those that did live the Rambo fantasy and made it through, KIA/MIA/POW. People are trained to not be as weak as you think and to give their lives in order to save others (check out SERE training BTW).

What makes you think I don't already know about SERE training or the terrible price that war demands of soldiers?

 

[N-A]

There is no 'thinking positive' in this case. If you know the UCMJ and the Manual for Courts-Martial, they will never get to a general courts-martial sentencing him to death because Rule 909 after an Article 32.

Do you know anything about military justice or is this just coming out of thin air like every other liberal talk?

 

[verbster]

There is no 'thinking positive' in this case. If you know the UCMJ and the Manual for Courts-Martial, they will never get to a general courts-martial sentencing him to death because Rule 909 after an Article 32.

Do you know anything about military justice or is this just coming out of thin air like every other liberal talk?

It's amazing how you can accuse others for the crap you do. I said absolutely nothing about the death penalty. In fact I was absolutely clear about the "slammer." Despite that, you pull the death penalty out of your butt, and accuse me of not knowing about it as though I brought it up in the first place. It's delusional. Besides, there hasn't been a military execution carried out in the US in over 50 years, and it's not going to happen now, so why even bring it up?

 

[DU]

Once the US pulls out of Afghanistan there is no legal remedy that would allow them to keep those guys as prisoners of war in no-mans-land anyway... not that there is much "legal" about the situation for the current detainees.

 

[N-A]

It's amazing how you can accuse others for the crap you do. I said absolutely nothing about the death penalty. In fact I was absolutely clear about the "slammer." Despite that, you pull the death penalty out of your butt, and accuse me of not knowing about it as though I brought it up in the first place. It's delusional. Besides, there hasn't been a military execution carried out in the US in over 50 years, and it's not going to happen now, so why even bring it up?

Even if they don't go for the death penalty on countless Articles of the UCMJ broken which deem the death penalty important in this case (not saying put to death, rather death row) it will never see the light of day in any courts-martial proceedings due to Rule 909.

Why would it happen now? I've skimmed over countless Articles that impose the death penalty in which he broke. Over 10, not counting general Articles they can stick on him. However, they can't after a pre-trial investigation of the Article 32 which will send it up the chain, just to be knocked down by Rule 909.

Not only that, but he has the blood of 6 Soldiers on his hands and the American tax payers paid $3,000,000 in life insurance coverage for these men, while this guy gets to walk away scot free with money in the bank, promotions, medals and retirement.

 

[Theo Goodman]

avid Walker said: ↑
No, I'm hoping it fails miserably so that economics is made a general education requirement in high schools after we feel the final effects.
I'm sure your "hometown" values your hopes that they fail miserably so they have a reason to add "minimum wage economics 101" to their high school curricula. After all, it's just poor people trying to make a living on minimum wage. Don't suppose a high school class would help them, but who cares, right?

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The thing is that a minium wage doesnt help poor people make a better living, just the opposite, but your pro-big goverment controled economic values tell you otherwise, but who cares right?

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Given the scope of executive orders from Obama,
arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship, could be used in some cases.

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Less than Bush, I would guess. I can tell you Obama has issued 168 Executive Orders in six years compared to 292 for Bush in eight years. You do realize the US is a republic and understand what that means, right?"

This has nothing to do with comparing Bush to Obama, it is Quality over Quanity, do not deflect the fact that Obama has used orders in a major way by bring up Bush, even if Bush has more, what does that prove?
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Jeez . . . I hope you are a Tea Party member. Your comments fit right in with them."

Shall we go down this road?

Jeez . . . I hope you are a Comunist Party USA member. Your comments fit right in with them.

 

[GILSAN]

Theo_Goodman.... for a Moderator I think the time is long overdue for you to quote the person you are replying to, so as to make it a whole lot easier for others to follow what you are talking about and who you are quoting. Take for example the last part of your post:

"
Jeez . . . I hope you are a Tea Party member. Your comments fit right in with them."

Shall we go down this road?

Jeez . . . I hope you are a Comunist Party USA member. Your comments fit right in with them.

Who are you quoting and is the question yours or somebody else's? It's very confusing

 

[verbster]

The thing is that a minium wage doesnt help poor people make a better living, just the opposite, but your pro-big goverment controled economic values tell you otherwise, but who cares right?

No doubt one of the divergent micro/macro economics theories will prove how having $15 in my pocket makes me worse off than having $9.32 in it.

The increase to $15/hour from $9.32 in Seattle will take seven years. Kind of sounds like getting raises for seven years of work to reach $15/hr

If you want to consider city council "big government" that controls my values, go for it.
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Given the scope of executive orders from Obama, arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority. Synonyms: despotism, absolutism, dictatorship, could be used in some cases.

". . . could be used in some cases"? You could say the same for every single president.

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Less than Bush, I would guess. I can tell you Obama has issued 168 Executive Orders in six years compared to 292 for Bush in eight years. You do realize the US is a republic and understand what that means, right?"

This has nothing to do with comparing Bush to Obama, it is Quality over Quanity, do not deflect the fact that Obama has used orders in a major way by bring up Bush, even if Bush has more, what does that prove?

If my point was simply numbers, i'd have used one of the several presidents who issued over 1000 executive orders.

Walker asked the question of how many executive orders Obama has issued that go against majority opinion. I don't think there is any way to answer such a question. The closest way was to figure all presidents issue a percentage of orders that go against the majority and use the total number by the previous president as a comparison. If you can answer the question for both presidents, please do.

"Jeez . . . I hope you are a Tea Party member. Your comments fit right in with them."

Shall we go down this road?

Jeez . . . I hope you are a Comunist Party USA member. Your comments fit right in with them.

Since I've been called mostly a liberal democrat, let's do go down this road. Which comments of mine are indicative of the US Communist party? I'm not sure I can be both, so help me find out which I am.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"VERB: No doubt one of the divergent micro/macro economics theories will prove how having $15 in my pocket makes me worse off than having $9.32 in it.

The increase to $15/hour from $9.32 in Seattle will take seven years. Kind of sounds like getting raises for seven years of work to reach $15/hr

If you want to consider city council "big government" that controls my values, go for it.
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HI,
So the city council decides what the miniumim wage is? Even if it does that would still be centraly planed economy.


Of course having 15$ in my pocket instead of 9.32 is more. However there is no free lunch.
Where did this 15$ come from? Perhaps it came from increased prices OR less workers being hired. So this does not help "the poor" as it leads to less employment and more regulations for businesses. If it gets too crazy then businesses will just leave. YEs of course some businesses pay stupidly low wages, however having a minimum wage is like shooting yourself in the foot. It just doesnt work. How long has there been a minimum wage in the USA? Great results so far!

A liberal democrat is a small skip to something like the comunist party USA, on many issues there is agreement. This does not mean that you are a communitst per se, however if you are going to go around and say something like " that is like the tea party , you should join the tea party" then it is by no means far reaching to say, "that is like the comunist party usa, you should join them".