The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Theo Goodman]

The reality is

the way it is presented is misleading, imo. I am not alone in this opinon. I dont care about Romney as we are not talking about him , at all.

The number I posted is the number used when talking about this.

"THE BLS KEEPS SIX DIFFERENT measures of unemployment, of which the official unemployment rate, U-3, is only one.

Yes it is true that ONE is the one used when talking about "this" however it is still misleading at a minimum.

 

[verbster]

Yes it is true that ONE is the one used when talking about "this" however it is still misleading at a minimum

Yes it is true that ONE is the one used when talking about "this" however it is still misleading at a minimum.

The only thing worse wasting time arguing politics and religion would be arguing statistics. Both sides can be right and wrong at the same time, then switch sides and still be right. Where's the fun in that?

 

[Theo Goodman]

Dow Jones nearly 16,000!
Unemployment "down"!

Things must be getting better.

 

[JB Lions]

Dow Jones nearly 16,000!
Unemployment "down"!

Things must be getting better.

It is. That and the other economic indicators, housing market rebounding, consumer spending up etc.

Of course it depends where you get your news, some places don't like to talk about the economy anymore.

 

[Theo Goodman]

" housing market rebounding,"
YEA! Prices for houses are rising like crazy, must be a good sign.

" consumer spending up"

Another good sign, just like very year around christmas consumer spending goes up! Great sign, we are heading to a full recovery in no time at this rate.

"Of course it depends where you get your news, some places don't like to talk about the economy anymore. "

Well if we look at the the information that the goverment has collected and avoid any media outlet we see 1 out of 6 indicators for employment look really nice, good sign! We also see very low inflation if and a really low interest rate. The dow has done nothing but go up up up up this year another excellent sign of real econmoic growth! No media outlet needed to get this info.

Since the inflation rate is next to nothing then the cost of living should also be going up at near zero, good news! It looks like quantitative easing really works! Why not just make it permanent since it helps everyone so much? Yes the end is near, full recovery around the corner!

 

[JB Lions]

" housing market rebounding,"
YEA! Prices for houses are rising like crazy, must be a good sign.

" consumer spending up"

Another good sign, just like very year around christmas consumer spending goes up! Great sign, we are heading to a full recovery in no time at this rate.

"Of course it depends where you get your news, some places don't like to talk about the economy anymore. "

Well if we look at the the information that the goverment has collected and avoid any media outlet we see 1 out of 6 indicators for employment look really nice, good sign! We also see very low inflation if and a really low interest rate. The dow has done nothing but go up up up up this year another excellent sign of real econmoic growth! No media outlet needed to get this info.

Since the inflation rate is next to nothing then the cost of living should also be going up at near zero, good news! It looks like quantitative easing really works! Why not just make it permanent since it helps everyone so much? Yes the end is near, full recovery around the corner!

Based on your response on Christmas, it's clear you don't know how some of this works.

You can do a little research

http://www.gallup.com/poll/112723/gallup-daily-us-consumer-spending.aspx

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...in-u-s-increases-for-third-straight-week.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...-rose-in-november-by-most-in-five-months.html

So besides the stock market going up, unemployment going down, housing market rebounding, consumer spending and consumer confidence going up, we have automobile purchases going up, while we also have gas prices going down.

Those are good things, if you look at that as bad, I don't know what to tell you, it could be a sign of just being a basic Obama hater or somebody on the right who doesn't like to talk about the economy anymore. Only when it's bad or doesn't look good.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"Based on your response on Christmas, it's clear you don't know how some of this works.

You can do a little research

http://www.gallup.com/poll/112723/ga...-spending.aspx

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ight-week.html

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-1...ve-months.html"

Yes its great, "Consumer Confidence in U.S. Increases for Third Straight Week " "
Gallup Daily: U.S. Consumer Spending
Results reported in both a 3-day and 14-day rolling average"

So both 3 and 14 days as well as three weeks are no were near Xmas and have nothing to do with it. GREAT more good news , the stats prove everything , let us rejoice in the great news!

Lets do a little research.
"3/14 day rolling average" it is Dec 15th no where near Xmas.
The last three weeks, also nowhere near to Xmas. Since you dont know how calenders work then you might want to do some research, but really it is not needed since the stats clearly show, the economy is great, it is a massive turn around , the recovery is here! The economy lives in a vaccum totaly independent of Xmas or anyother dates!


"So besides the stock market going up, unemployment going down, housing market rebounding, consumer spending and consumer confidence going up, we have automobile purchases going up, while we also have gas prices going down."

Yes amazing! It all looks soooo good.

Without going into details , lets see just how much money is thrown into the stock market, hosing market, and auto market when QE is no longer. When interest rates are at 3,4 or 5% people will just continue to pump the stock market? Nobody can predict the future but just take a quick look at the dow year chart, what might happen next?


"Those are good things, if you look at that as bad, I don't know what to tell you, it could be a sign of just being a basic Obama hater or somebody on the right who doesn't like to talk about the economy anymore. Only when it's bad or doesn't look good. "

I am not sure what you mean, I am agreeing! According to all the stats that you bring forward the economy has recovered, we are there! YES ! It is a recovery! It is strange that you automaticly try to put someone on the "right" that even would question any stat that you put forward. What did I say that is on "the right" please explain that. There is no need to label me or anyone that questions if the economy is doing well or not. I did not and do not label you as a "obama follower" because makes no difference in the stats that you put forward.

"who doesn't like to talk about the economy anymore"
um, I am talking about the economy the whole time.

 

[JB Lions]

According to all the stats that you bring forward the economy has recovered.

Alright cool. I would say recovering tho, still not done yet.

I am enjoying what I predicted last year, how the Tea Party is going to help take the Republicans apart:

"Boehner: Tea party groups have ‘lost all credibility’"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...r-tea-party-groups-have-lost-all-credibility/

Now they've all but declared war on him.

"NEW SURVEY: Are John Boehner’s Attacks on the Tea Party Destroying the GOP?"

http://www.tpnn.com/new-survey-are-john-boehners-attacks-on-the-tea-party-destroying-the-gop/

 

[GILSAN]

Even my finances would look really good if I could legally print money.... like the FED does.

Once the FED stops that, the DOW will start dropping once again, millions of people will lose their hard earned cash and a few market manipulators will make another fortune as everyone scrambles to belatedly sell their shares.

You just can't beat this system... unless someone finds a way to cut the snakes heads off. What's interesting is that these snakes belong to the left and to the right

 

[Theo Goodman]

IMO
the fed cant figure out how and when to raise the interest rates
the "growth" in the housing market is fueled by cheap loans which is fueled by extremly low interest rates. People that can get loans for next to nothing buy up massive ammounts of real estate and resell it, almost a free lunch (almost). The stock market, some investors can get really really cheap loans and then they buy stocks, this makes the Dow go up. When the cheap loans are no more, what direction will the Dow go? I am not spouting out any "right" "tea party" or other labeled retoric, and it still looks like the economy is on a house of cards. Still this does ZERO to disprove any of the stats, the recovery is here!

 

[GILSAN]

IMO
the fed cant figure out how and when to raise the interest rates
the "growth" in the housing market is fueled by cheap loans which is fueled by extremly low interest rates. People that can get loans for next to nothing buy up massive ammounts of real estate and resell it, almost a free lunch (almost). The stock market, some investors can get really really cheap loans and then they buy stocks, this makes the Dow go up. When the cheap loans are no more, what direction will the Dow go? I am not spouting out any "right" "tea party" or other labeled retoric, and it still looks like the economy is on a house of cards. Still this does ZERO to disprove any of the stats, the recovery is here!

Agreed. Sooner or later the house of cards is gonna come crashing down and not just in the US

 

[verbster]

" housing market rebounding,"
YEA! Prices for houses are rising like crazy, must be a good sign.

" consumer spending up"

Another good sign, just like very year around christmas consumer spending goes up! Great sign, we are heading to a full recovery in no time at this rate.

"Of course it depends where you get your news, some places don't like to talk about the economy anymore. "

Well if we look at the the information that the goverment has collected and avoid any media outlet we see 1 out of 6 indicators for employment look really nice, good sign! We also see very low inflation if and a really low interest rate. The dow has done nothing but go up up up up this year another excellent sign of real econmoic growth! No media outlet needed to get this info.

Since the inflation rate is next to nothing then the cost of living should also be going up at near zero, good news! It looks like quantitative easing really works! Why not just make it permanent since it helps everyone so much? Yes the end is near, full recovery around the corner!

Ha! So that was you I saw on the street corner dressed in the rags of a beggar but radiating brightly with the zeal and conviction of an economic seer secure in his sign's message that, "The Financial Sky is Falling! Buy All the Gold You Can Before it's TOO LATE!!!"

And you know what? You may be right.

 

[Theo Goodman]

gold and silver , great prices atm

 

[Theo Goodman]

Buy All the Gold You Can Before it's TOO LATE!!!"

should have listened to "that guy" check the course today!

 

[DU]

The American Government was designed at the core to be the failure that it has become - I'm surprised you guys have have as much to talk about as you do

 

[Theo Goodman]

The American Government was designed at the core to be the failure that it has become

Conspiracy Theory

 

[verbster]

The American Government was designed at the core to be the failure that it has become - I'm surprised you guys have have as much to talk about as you do

Premeditated cynicism, eh?

 

[verbster]

Here's a stat for you:

"More Americans have died from guns here in the United States since 1970 (nearly 1.4 million) than American soldiers have died in all the wars in our country’s history over more than 200 years (about 1.2 million)."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/o...the-killer-who-supports-gun-control.html?_r=0

 

[johname]

Mike Huckabee says 50-50 whether he'll run for President


Dude save others people's money, the days of a sour puss wining the white house are over

 

[iowadawg]

We should note that these figures refer to all gun-fire related deaths -- not just homicides, but also suicides and accidental deaths. In 2011, about one-quarter of firearm-related deaths were homicides, according to FBI and CDC data. Using total firearm-related deaths makes the case against guns more dramatic than just using homicides alone.