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Only difference is, Obama doesn't use his finger, he instead uses the office of the Presidency to give the big F.U to the American people.

Bush used both

bush-finger.jpg


I actually agree that Obama shouldn't have said that. I think Presidents should stay out of things like that and let the courts handle it. But why did you even bring it up in the first place? If he had a son, well he does have children, was my point. And they haven't been in any legal trouble, like the Bush girls.

I don't care what you think about me, because it's coming from somebody that will straight up lie.

Again, in the past we were talking about the economy. I made a post with some points how it was improving, to which you replied:

"But when the economy is picking up and the numbers look good, we see posts like these, as well as that incompetent boob on natiional TV taking full credit for it."

Now you just said "Nowhere in my post do I write or indicate the economy is on the way back" I bolded it for you, yet again. You can't read? Was incompetent boob talking about somebody else? It's what you usually call Obama. Maybe you have some alternate meanings to words? Economy is picking up, numbers look good for you means, the economy is not on the way back? Is it getting worse?

It reminds before the election, I made a simple, factual statement the Unemployment rate was going down, linked to the chart showing it got up to 10% and then it went down to 7.8%, you actually tried to argue it wasn't going down. This is stuff kids in elementary school can grasp.

As far as the other stuff. Yesterday, I link to CNN talking about the economy getting better, you link to CSN, lol. Some right wing site. You should check out the comments on what you linked to, that article gets taken apart by a few people there.

For you to actually try to sit there and try to debate that the economy is not getting better is laughable. Look where it was when Obama took office, look where we are now. So, on the whole, are you saying the economy got worse?
 
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Obama used his share of the debt for the recovery that IS taking place, despite Repugnant obstruction and lies.

"Recovery"?.. LOL,

It's the same Liberal philosophy, throw money at the problem at it will go away, but that didn't happen when Obama threw $800 Billion at the problem in 2009 did it?

No, were still borrowing $40 for every $100 we spend, and the Obama solution to reducing our debt? SPEND MORE.

Grow the size and scope of Government, that's what it's all about with this President, F*ck cutting spending and F*ck what the American people want, F*ck our Children and Grandchildren too who will be stuck paying to reduce a $20 TRILLION Dollar DEBT, $10 TRILLION of which has his name on it.

Growing the public sector with borrowed money, and paying people NOT to work, not to be productive members of society so they can pay taxes, how long do you think that's going to last? Somebody is going to have to pay the piper and it's likely not going to be our generation.. But who cares, well all be retired or dead and buried right?

The USA is not much different that Greece, robbing their younger generation of a prosperous future.... Only difference is we can Print money and they cant.

Anyone with a half a brain would understand that whats going on with the National Debt is unsustainable, that it's ticking time bomb and your guy hasn't done a damn thing to reduce spending or even get it under control, instead he wants to borrow MORE.

All in the name of the "Recovery" You honestly believe that crap?...

Whatever were seeing right now is a bump, a bump that wont last.. The coming bubble is just on the horizon and when it pops it's going to look like a picnic compared to 2008.

But of course it wont be Obama's fault will it? you liberal clowns will still be pulling Blame Bush cards from your sleeves, or blaming Republicans, everyone else but your own *F*cking party.



Your arguments lack integrity.

If my arguments lack integrity, yours lack common sense.
 
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Anyone with a half a brain would understand that whats going on with the National Debt is unsustainable, that it's ticking time bomb and your guy hasn't done a damn thing to reduce spending or even get it under control, instead he wants to borrow MORE.

But of course it wont be Obama's fault will it? you liberal clowns will still be pulling Blame Bush cards from your sleeves, or blaming Republicans, everyone else but your own *F*cking party.
Hear Hear... problem is that Liberals have blinkers glued onto their ears, so they don't see or hear or even smell the coffee around them, 'cause they and their lapdogs, the Liberal Media can always blame Bush for all the ills of the country.

"you liberal clowns" B-) :lol:
 
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Look where it was when Obama took office, look where we are now.

I actually did;

Average price of Gas when Bush left office; $1.78
National average Today: $3.88

$10.5 Trillion in debt when Obama took office.
$16.9 TRILLION Today
http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Labor force participation rate when Obama took office: 65.7%.
Labor force participation rate last month in June: 63.5%, the most rapid decline in U.S. history.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Poverty rate in 2009: 13.2%

In November 2012 the U.S. Census Bureau said more than 16% of the population lived in poverty in the United States, including almost 20% of American children, up from 14.3% (approximately 43.6 million) in 2009 and to its highest level since 1993. In 2008, 13.2% (39.8 million) Americans lived in poverty.
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poverty_in_the_United_States"]Poverty in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Consumer confidence in 2009: 87.3%
Consumer confidence today: 81.4%

Food Stamps: UP 70% since Obama took office.

And YOU want us to believe that America is on the road to recovery?

LMAO!

You might be used to fooling political illiterates but I doubt your fooling anyone here, with the exception of your pals who have as much trouble reading the writing on the wall as you do.

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the Liberal Media can always blame Bush for all the ills of the country.

That's what they do, the media shapes public opinion and it's networks like MSNBC that really do the people of this great country a huge disservice when they manipulate the truth every single day of the week..... Liberal idiots like Chris Mathews, Ed Shultz and Rachel Maddow , dishonest Liberals who bring in Liberal bloggers as reputable sources of information.... And the Liberal drones adsorb it, repeating it here.
 
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We actually went over some of this already.

The debt stuff, as I said, read the comments in the article you linked too.

Food stamps, I showed charts earlier showing that, how it started to go up under Bush and now is starting to level off.

"The Congressional Budget Office predicts unemployment will drop to 5.6% by 2017 but that SNAP enrollment will drop slightly to 43.3 million people, down 4.5 million from the current level."

Predicted to level off and then start to go back down. They expect Unemployment to be down to 5.6% in few years as well.

Not sure where you got your Consumer Confidence stats, since you didn't link to anything but it's actually the highest it's been in 5 years, went over that earlier as well:

"record low of 25.3 in February of 2009" About the time he took office.

"U.S. consumer confidence jumped to 81.4 in June, its highest level in over five years, as Americans were more optimistic about business and labor market conditions, according to a report released by The Conference Board."

So again, hmm. 2009 it was a record low 25.3 and now it's the highest in over 5 years at 81.4. Ok kids, what direction did that go in?

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/consumer-confidence

"Consumer confidence in 2009: 87.3%" What? I searched on that, and I saw that in 2008, before it all started to go to hell at the end of Bush's term. I find it amazing you actually tried to pull that. Did you really forget how bad it was back then?

Nice try.

Feel free to check out polls as well if you want - http://www.gallup.com/poll/economy.aspx

Search on economic indicators and read up. You can look at retail sales, new residential sales, construction spending etc. All going back up.
 
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Food stamps, I showed charts earlier showing that, how it started to go up under Bush and now is starting to level off.

Do you always give liberals a free pass for their incompetence?

It wasn't Bush's economy and or his policies that pushed Americans to collecting entitlements, that would be Obama's policies and for actually encouraging it... Was it not your party that eliminated the Job search mandate for food stampls and welfare benefits?

The point is, a staggering 70% MORE people are collecting food stamps today compared to when Bush left office, You posted that the economy has improved under Obamas leadership, How is a 70% increase in food stamps a improvement?

So your WRONG on that.


"The Congressional Budget Office predicts unemployment will drop to 5.6% by 2017 but that SNAP enrollment will drop slightly to 43.3 million people, down 4.5 million from the current level."

Predicted to level off and then start to go back down. They expect Unemployment to be down to 5.6% in few years as well.

Now your reducing your counter arguments to predictions?

The CBO predicts a lot of things and they've been known to be wrong on more than one occasion, like the false predictions they used to pass the Stimulus and Obama care..

Predictions are irrelevant to what were discussing anyway, FACT is the Work Force is FAR LOWER than it was when Obama took office..That's NOT an improvement either.

So your WRONG on that point too.

Wrong on the National Debt which is $6 TRILLION HIGHER than when Obama took office... I asked how that's an improvement and you didn't answer.

The poverty level.. I like how you conveniently ignored that one.. Doesn't look to good for Blacks either, but the Democratic party is the "Caring" party when it comes to blacks right?

Even the Liberals are trashing Obama over the Black and Hispanic unemployment rate..
http://progressive.org/obama-leaves-black-community-behind



Not sure where you got your Consumer Confidence stats,

I revisited that and realized the stats were not current, unlike you JB I'll gladly admit my error on this point.... However what your doing is taking confidence figures from 2008 when the economy was hit hardest and comparing them to now 4 + years later.. Fact is consumer confidence is NOWHERE near it was in 2007 AND beyond under Bush and the Republican led congress..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...ce-2008-levels-sends-10-year-yield-2013-highs
 
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Food stamps, I showed charts earlier showing that, how it started to go up under Bush and now is starting to level off.

Do you always give liberals a free pass for their incompetence?

It wasn't Bush's economy and or his policies that pushed Americans to collecting entitlements, that would be Obama's policies and for actually encouraging it... Was it not your party that eliminated the Job search mandate for food stamps and welfare benefits?

The point is, a staggering 70% MORE people are collecting food stamps today compared to when Bush left office, You posted that the economy has improved under Obamas leadership, How is a 70% increase in food stamps a improvement?

So your WRONG on that.


"The Congressional Budget Office predicts unemployment will drop to 5.6% by 2017 but that SNAP enrollment will drop slightly to 43.3 million people, down 4.5 million from the current level."

Predicted to level off and then start to go back down. They expect Unemployment to be down to 5.6% in few years as well.

Now your reducing your counter arguments to predictions?

The CBO predicts a lot of things and they've been known to be wrong on more than one occasion, like the false predictions they used to pass the Stimulus and Obama care..

Predictions are irrelevant to what were discussing anyway, FACT is the Work Force is FAR LOWER than it was when Obama took office..That's NOT an improvement either.

So your WRONG on that point too.

Wrong on the National Debt which is $6 TRILLION HIGHER than when Obama took office... I asked how that's an improvement and you didn't answer.

The poverty level.. I like how you conveniently ignored that one.. Doesn't look too good for Blacks either, but the Democratic party is the "Caring" party when it comes to blacks right?

Even the Liberals are trashing Obama over the Black and Hispanic unemployment rate..
http://progressive.org/obama-leaves-black-community-behind



Not sure where you got your Consumer Confidence stats,

I revisited that and realized the stats were not current, unlike you JB I'll gladly admit my error on this point.... However what your doing is taking confidence figures from 2008 when the economy was hit hardest and comparing them to now 4 + years later.. Fact is consumer confidence is NOWHERE near it was in 2007 AND beyond under Bush and the Republican led congress..

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-...ce-2008-levels-sends-10-year-yield-2013-highs
 
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"Now your reducing your counter arguments to predictions?"

Well, you can also look at a chart, well at least I can, not you based on past charts I've posted. When you see it going in one direction, you can see a trend. I expect this time next year, the rate will be lower.

"unlike you JB I'll gladly admit my error on this point." I actually don't have a problem admitting when I wrong. You can go back a page or two and see that I admitted reading the Portugal stat wrong.

As far as your progressive.org link. This is more basic math stuff. Let's play:

Black Unemployment Rate
16.7% - August 2011
14%+ - Today

Ok kids, another lesson. What direction is that going in, anybody? Yes, Amy in the corner. "14 is less 16.7". Correct, very good Amy, you get a star. Please help RaiderGirl sitting next to you with this simple math equation.

As far as Consumer Confidence, I took the number when he went into office and I took the number now. It's a pretty clear picture.

As I said, we went thru a lot of this already, I searched on one of them for you, you can search the rest. Food stamps. Read the post carefully and the links in the post:
http://www.namepros.com/4391865-post531.html

Some of the other stuff, again, we've already went over to death in the past. You can just utilize the search function for that.

If you want to keep believing our economy is getting worse, when the numbers show they're getting better, that's on you. You're just going to end up looking silly on it. And it gives me something to bump in the future.
 
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It's funny he lives in a country that illegally spied on him and probably still does. Plus, nothing like the Stasi, I think he was absent that day in history class.
 
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Funny. The Germans had to be virtually destroyed by war to make them pliable enough for the Stasi to take over. Even then, they knew what was happening.
All that was needed to take over the Americans was cheap iPhones and reality TV. And most still haven't noticed.
 
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Funny. The Germans had to be virtually destroyed by war to make them pliable enough for the Stasi to take over. Even then, they knew what was happening.
All that was needed to take over the Americans was cheap iPhones and reality TV. And most still haven't noticed.

I figured you would post something like that to add to the collection.

So Communist China more free than U.S.

This NSA stuff just like the Stasi? lol
 
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It's funny he lives in a country that illegally spied on him and probably still does. Plus, nothing like the Stasi, I think he was absent that day in history class.
Think again.
The Stasi didn't have the capabilities of today's NSA. Otherwise they might still be in operation today.
Tell me about history. Funny how it repeats itself in different ways, isn't it ?

The people who work for government all think they are doing the best for the country and to preserve a certain kind of a social order. Regardless of whether they are on the wrong or right side of history they tend to share the same mindset. NSA have no scruples spying on law-abiding citizens, likewise the Stasi also held the view that everybody is a potential suspect. Only the ultimate motives, and the masters they serve are different.

With all respect due, you live in a country where privacy is a dirty word. There can be no freedom without privacy.

Communism used to be depicted (rightfully) as an Orwellian system that had to be fought at all costs, but now the same intrusion practices have become acceptable.
Strange isn't it ?
Of course, times change, people change, opinions change but what's worrying is when people are willing to ditch their most fundamental principles :|
It's like people are no longer able to draw the line somewhere, and will accept ANYTHING until it's too late.
Worse, people actually applaud the illegal actions of the government. I think there is a word for this, somewhere in history books.


PS: maybe I could live with that (your loss of freedom and rise of the police state) if I wasn't affected too. I certainly have every right to resent it very much.
 
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Think again.
The Stasi didn't have the capabilities of today's NSA. Otherwise they might still be in operation today.
Tell me about history. Funny how it repeats itself in different ways, isn't it ?

The people who work for government all think they are doing the best for the country and to preserve a certain kind of a social order. Regardless of whether they are on the wrong or right side of history they tend to share the same mindset. NSA have no scruples spying on law-abiding citizens, likewise the Stasi also held the view that everybody is a potential suspect. Only the ultimate motives, and the masters they serve are different.

With all respect due, you live in a country where privacy is a dirty word. There can be no freedom without privacy.

Communism used to be depicted (rightfully) as an Orwellian system that had to be fought at all costs, but now the same intrusion practices have become acceptable.
Strange isn't it ?
Of course, times change, people change, opinions change but what's worrying is when people are willing to ditch their most fundamental principles :|
It's like people are no longer able to draw the line somewhere, and will accept ANYTHING until it's too late.
Worse, people actually applaud the illegal actions of the government. I think there is a word for this, somewhere in history books.


PS: maybe I could live with that (your loss of freedom and rise of the police state) if I wasn't affected too. I certainly have every right to resent it very much.

It's some of the same nonsense you've already posted. Communism, police state......

The NSA is setup to spy on foreigners, the Stasi, it's own people. Every country plays the spy game. They spy on us as well.

We don't have citizens spying on citizens for the government, like the Stasi did.

Just look at all the conversations about this, you wouldn't be having those type of conversations under the Stasi. People in this country feel very free criticizing the government, the President, etc. Just read your typical right wing blog, you'll see that, racist posts towards him and his family, even threats. Turn on Fox. You can find it anywhere. And they have that freedom to do so.

The NSA doesn't care what I do on a daily basis.

I know a little something about this from the German part of my family. I had an aunt, cousins etc, living over there under this. My mom, her mother, and one of her sisters got out of there thru the underground about the time the wall was going up. Couldn't even tell the other sister about it, that's how scared they were, had to leave her behind. When all this stuff here was going on, I asked my cousin, who lived it, about some of these comparisons. He basically laughed. But hey, you found something on internet saying "United Stasi of America" with the image of a hacker convicted of several crimes.
 
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Hmmm....whistleblower...informant ....spy....patriot or traitor....where do you draw the line, or should there even be a line? Is there a difference between "exposing" something and "disclosing" the same thing? Is it a matter of revealing information to the public, as opposed to revealing that same information to a friendly ally country or to a country we're at war with?

Who draws the line? What if "exposing" a truth gets someone killed? What if the person who "leaks" info does so for money? Should an informer be allowed to write a book and profit by it? If a business makes invents something amazing, is it okay for an employee to leak all the details of how it's made to other businesses or the entire world? Would it matter if it was the formula for Coca Cola or a device that could obliterate a country? Where do you draw the line? Or do you?
 
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This NSA stuff just like the Stasi? lol

According to some former East Germans and ex Stasi, it's even better
www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/26/195045/memories-of-stasi-color-germans.html

Here's an awesome interview - input from 3 former NSA whistleblowers. Read the bios at the end - Two of them developed a program called "Thin Thread" which was supposed to analyze data while protecting the rights of US citizens. They faced consequences for raising concerns that Thin Thread had been adapted to instead COLLECT data on US citizens and about the extensive use of outside contractors (among other things).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...istleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/
 
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Wrong again.

http://www.irs.gov/uac/Whistleblower-Informant-Award

Of course, they call it "whistleblowing," not informing. The irony is rich, but over the head of many who accept whatever Orwellian terms they are fed.

Meanwhile, we know what happens to real whistleblowers.

This shows you really don't understand. Comparing our whistleblower program to what the Stasi had the citizens doing.

According to some former East Germans and ex Stasi, it's even better
www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/06/26/195045/memories-of-stasi-color-germans.html

Here's an awesome interview - input from 3 former NSA whistleblowers. Read the bios at the end - Two of them developed a program called "Thin Thread" which was supposed to analyze data while protecting the rights of US citizens. They faced consequences for raising concerns that Thin Thread had been adapted to instead COLLECT data on US citizens and about the extensive use of outside contractors (among other things).

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...istleblower-nsa-officials-roundtable/2428809/

You're missing some big points. There's the technology, which of course the Stasi would have loved to have. But then there is the intended target, what's it's used for etc. Even in the article you just linked too:

"He was shocked, and he’s quick to stress that the United States shouldn’t be compared to the totalitarian East German state."
 
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