The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Domainace]

Google the meaning of forward slash. If you can't figure it out, I'll explain it to you later. When you saw Male/Female, you thought?

Your gender of male/female always retorts that way.

See what I mean? A forward slash assumes significant commonality. You are speaking of two entirely different countries, with entirely different languages, histories and legal systems. The one you are confusing with Spain is a country of a little over 10 million people - that you claim uses more cocaine than all 350 million Americans. They'd have to be pretty cranked up to use that much coke - though it would explain the way they drive:blink:

The point is you are just pulling stuff out of your hat to support whatever argument you are making. At least acknowledge that Gilsan is infinitely more informed about your country than you are of his. How would you react if he confused the US and Mexico?

 

[GILSAN]

They'd have to be pretty cranked up to use that much coke - though it would explain the way they drive:blink:

Coke consumption is apparently pretty low in Portugal. The drivers are now behaving a lot better, thanks to pretty heavy fines from the cops.... thank God

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-people watch media to get validation-
"truthers" debunked
Abby Martin Interviews Ben Swann, Larry King on Breaking the Set about Edward Snowden, NSA - YouTube

Excellent interview. Good to see there are still journalists out there with "Big Cojones", even though they are a dying breed.

 

[verbster]

At least acknowledge that Gilsan is infinitely more informed about your country than you are of his.

Why would you assume this? I've seen nothing to validate either claim.

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Excellent interview. Good to see there are still journalists out there with "Big Cojones", even though they are a dying breed.

Do you really think that was an "interview"?

The one thing he got right was that people form their own beliefs on stuff from whatever source, reliable or not, and then go to news stations (or to wherever and whomever) that will validate those beliefs, true or not.

Unfortunately, he falls into that same category as just one of the many "journalists" who use their opinions to subtly slant what they are reporting. He is one of the news reporters some people go to for validation of their own beliefs.

Other than that, his comments were a good blend of half truth and opinion about the other halves of the truth. For example, listen to the segment on "truthers". . . he skillfully redefines what a 'truther" should be (a person searching for the truth) and goes forward on that noble premise rather than taking it for what it currently means (a person presenting a possible alternative "truth" of an event, mainly based on opinion and inaccuracies). You know, stuff like Alex Jones "truthing" that some secret US agency has developed a way to create tornadoes and use them as weapons....and death panels and other total nonsense.

 

[JB Lions]

Your gender of male/female always retorts that way.

See what I mean? A forward slash assumes significant commonality. You are speaking of two entirely different countries, with entirely different languages, histories and legal systems. The one you are confusing with Spain is a country of a little over 10 million people - that you claim uses more cocaine than all 350 million Americans. They'd have to be pretty cranked up to use that much coke - though it would explain the way they drive:blink:

The point is you are just pulling stuff out of your hat to support whatever argument you are making. At least acknowledge that Gilsan is infinitely more informed about your country than you are of his. How would you react if he confused the US and Mexico?

I actually did misread the chart on Portugal, my fault for trying to read it on my iphone. As far as Spain tho, they are actually #2, ahead of the United States as far as "annual prevalence of cocaine use (as a percentage of the population aged 15 to 64)"

http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-most-cocaine-users-2012-6

"At least acknowledge that Gilsan is infinitely more informed about your country than you are of his."

Are you saying something along the lines of people that live in their own countries might know a little more? Hmm, remember that next time you try to talk about the United States, with your police state, Communist China is more free nonsense.

As far as that reporter, just somebody taking advantage of the tin foil hat wearing crowd, like Glenn Beck, and going to monetize them. I remember reading about him back when he did the ole' there might be a second shooter, during the Sandy Hook shooting, I'm sure the families appreciated that.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Obama must be very sad that his good buddy, Muslim Brotherhood's leader, Morsi of Egypt is under house arrest :]

Obama, John Kerry and another US official, (I forgot her name) are the only 3 people in our Government who supported this guy.

Mark this one up to Obama's long list of failures, If you think about it, the man really has no achievements other than taking credit for Bin Laden... Makes me wonder what his Library is going to be like,

A wall Mural of Obama standing over Bin Laden with a AK-47.
Statues of Gay couples at the alter.
Films of Illegal Aliens crossing the border.
Pictures of new Government buildings, (NSA in Utah removed)

Feel free to add to the list.

 

[GILSAN]

Obama, John Kerry and another US official, (I forgot her name) are the only 3 people in our Government who supported this guy.

Mark this one up to Obama's long list of failures, If you think about it, the man really has no achievements other than taking credit for Bin Laden... Makes me wonder what his Library is going to be like,

A wall Mural of Obama standing over Bin Laden with a AK-47.
Statues of Gay couples at the alter.
Films of Illegal Aliens crossing the border.
Pictures of new Government buildings, (NSA in Utah removed)

Feel free to add to the list.

Bin Laden's death should be credited to the Secret Services, the SEAL Team and others mostly. Obama just gave the OK to do the job.

Nice list of accomplishments: :lol: :lol: Here are some more:

Obama speaking by the Mexican border and saying "Bring down this Wall"
Drones flying over Madeira Island for the first time, trying to get me.
Getting a second Nobel Peace Prize for getting re-elected a second time
Winning an Oscar for becoming Hollyweird's favorite President.
Should win an award for being the best Teleprompter reader of all time

 

[JB Lions]

Obama, John Kerry and another US official, (I forgot her name) are the only 3 people in our Government who supported this guy.

Mark this one up to Obama's long list of failures, If you think about it, the man really has no achievements other than taking credit for Bin Laden... Makes me wonder what his Library is going to be like,

A wall Mural of Obama standing over Bin Laden with a AK-47.
Statues of Gay couples at the alter.
Films of Illegal Aliens crossing the border.
Pictures of new Government buildings, (NSA in Utah removed)

Feel free to add to the list.

Cool topic. I don't think we talk enough about Obama's achievements, thanks to RaiderGirl for starting it off.

You mentioned getting Bin Laden. We already know of all the other terrorists getting handled with the drones, already went thru wars winding down. You already admitted the economy is now on the way back.

Here's some more, feel free to click around and read up:

http://obamaachievements.org/list

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=list+of+obama+achievements

And it's amazing once you factor in what he was handed and the amount of obstruction from the right.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Obama speaking by the Mexican border and saying "Bring down this Wall"
Drones flying over Madeira Island for the first time, trying to get me.
Getting a second Nobel Peace Prize for getting re-elected a second time
Winning an Oscar for becoming Hollyweird's favorite President.
Should win an award for being the best Teleprompter reader of all time

:lol:

Nice ones Gilsan

Forgot about the Nobel Peace prize, must be nice to be among other peace prize winners like Jimmy Carter, Al Gore and Yasser Arafat, and nominees like Stalin and Hitler.

When I visited the Reagan Library, they have a section of the Berlin Wall, I should post some pics here of my visit, I've seen other libraries but Reagans is by far the most impressive.. It took from morning to night to go through it all, one accomplishment after another, Obama's should take about 15min, if that.

As for the teleprompter, hands down he's the best we've ever seen, no denying the ONE talent he has.... What's so laughable about it is, most people are fooled by it, Unplug it and he sounds like a blithering idiot.

 

[JB Lions]

"What's so laughable about it is, most people are fooled by it, Unplug it and he sounds like a blithering idiot."

Actually, the only idiots would be the people that don't realize all Presidents use them and that's it's actually a topic to them. A teleprompter. Speak of blithering idiot, I guess you never once in your life listened to Bush, he had to be one of the worst ever.

 

[RaiderGirl]

You already admitted the economy is now on the way back.

Do you think lying by taking my posts out of context is fooling anybody? I can tell you that it's NOT.

You Libs are something else, It's like Obama taking a big crap on the US Constitution, a priceless document, The pile of crap weighs in at 5 lbs, Obama decides it's too much and cleans up 3 lbs, and you want us to think that's an improvement?

The only people your fooling is yourself, your your own worst enemy JB.

 

[JB Lions]

Do you think lying by taking my posts out of context is fooling anybody? I can tell you that it's NOT.

You Libs are something else, It's like Obama taking a big crap on the US Constitution, a priceless document, The pile of crap weighs in at 5 lbs, Obama decides it's too much and cleans up 3 lbs, and you want us to think that's an improvement?

The only people your fooling is yourself, your your own worst enemy JB.

It's not out of context, we already went over that. You just wish you could take it back.

Let me quote you again, this is your reply to the facts I dropped about the economy getting better:

But when the economy is picking up and the numbers look good, we see posts like these, as well as that incompetent boob on natiional TV taking full credit for it.

We just had this yesterday:

"Despite no change in the unemployment rate, the underlying strength of the report led investors to believe that the bedrock of the economy is improving, and that the Fed will start to pull back sooner rather than later."

"The job market made solid improvement last month, sending signals to markets that the Federal Reserve is on track to start pulling back on its stimulus program.

The economy added 195,000 new jobs in June, beating economists' expectations of 155,000 jobs and matching the revised pace from May. Meanwhile, the unemployment rate remained unchanged at 7.6%. "

http://money.cnn.com/2013/07/05/news/economy/june-jobs-report/index.html

 

[RaiderGirl]

I guess you never once in your life listened to Bush, he had to be one of the worst ever.

Yes, Bush was bad as well, but the difference is, Bush mumbled and bumbled, Obama mumbles and bumbles too, but what comes out of his mouth after is pure stupidity...

You know it's Obama's talking when he says something stupid like

“If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin"

Suspended from school three times
Caught with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Kicked out of school for graffiti
Caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry.

Yep, as President of the United States, he's a boy I'd be proud to call my own... LOL.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes, Bush was bad as well, but the difference is, Bush mumbled and bumbled, Obamaa mumbles and bumbles too, but what comes out of his mouth after is pure stupidity...

You know it's Obama's talking when he says something stupid like

“If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon Martin"

Suspended from school three times
Caught with a 'marijuana pipe' and a baggie with drug residue
Kicked out of school for graffiti
Caught with a 'burglary tool' and a bag full of women's jewelry.

Yep, as President of the United States, he's a boy I'd be proud to call my own... LOL.

Has Obama's kids ever gotten into any trouble like Bush's kids? That would be a no.

 

[GILSAN]

Films of Illegal Aliens crossing the border.

You mean like this one? :blink: :lol:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgOHOHKBEqE&feature=player_embedded"]Ray Stevens - Come to the USA - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RaiderGirl]

Has Obama's kids ever gotten into any trouble like Bush's kids? That would be a no.

What does Bush kids have to do with Obama making a idiotic statement like the one he's quoted to have made?

Unless of course he sees himself in Trayvon.



Only difference is, Obama doesn't use his finger, he instead uses the office of the Presidency to give the big F.U to the American people.

 

[eyedomainous]

When I visited the Reagan Library, they have a section of the Berlin Wall, I should post some pics here of my visit

Reminds me of George Carlin talking about another pic from the Reagan Administration; the one of all the Reagan officials indicted and/or investigated for criminal and official misconduct: 138.

Said to be the most for any Administration in U.S. history. Did they have that pic in the Reagan library?

Chomsky & Carlin on Reagan and Republicans

 

[Theo Goodman]

"As far as that reporter, just somebody taking advantage of the tin foil hat wearing crowd, like Glenn Beck, and going to monetize them. I remember reading about him back when he did the ole' there might be a second shooter, during the Sandy Hook shooting, I'm sure the families appreciated that."

Yea that pertty much sums it up, question the story told that ABC, NBC, FOX, the State , get told that you are a "tin foil" head or that you are insulting families. /Report on rediculous things that can not be proved (effectiveness of NSA big data against so called "terrorists") and that have been lied about (NSA offical denied any such program in congress on the mic, these are just examples) then of course no tinfoil head and the reported info should be accepted because wiki can back it up.
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Of course all "journalists" have an opinion and agenda, for some reason if you say that any of the big media outlets have an agenda then you are a tin foil head.
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The tevon martin picture is nuts, please what is that suppost to show? That its ok to be shoot if you show the middle finger in photos? Sorry those pictures have nothing to do with the case, and almost cases when a young person dies there are pictures of when they were "cute" shown. Tervor Martin´s "record" ohh its hardcore criminal, also doesnt shine any light on his case.
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Im sure that if anyone were to point out some other sides to the "acheivements" then they would directly get labeled "tin foil wearing". Lets look to the MSN for some some of the results of the wars "winding down"- they dont wind down, they just change- one result:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...l-high-despite-hard-fight-to-stem-deaths?lite
NPR is also acceptable, since they are unbias and have no agenda and never ever have opinionated reporting:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...-suicide-rate-surpassed-combat-deaths-in-2012
So as the wars "wind down" at some points more members of the military are killed by suicide than in combat. Since they are not killed in combat the ammount of combat deaths goes down and helps to paint a picture of the winding down wars.
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The high tech "surgical" drone stikes that kille so called "terrorists" (define terrorist in this context) kill one terrorist per 50 deaths. So that means 50 innocent people for one "terrorist" if that was 50 americans there would be ZERO drone attacks.
Lets add this to the list of acheivements, effectivly reducing the ammount of military deaths through the use of drones! YAY!
Then lets add that same argumentation mode that is often used to KO any further argument by using emotional connections that do not prove anything -

I'm sure the families appreciated that.

in this case "that" would be the drone strikes that killed the "terrorists" .
I hope this link is approved, im sure it has an agenda but perhaps it is acceptable enough -researchers at Stanford and New York University law schools- pertty liberal I think, so surly they have an agenda of some sort.

http://www.policymic.com/articles/15340/drone-strikes-in-pakistan-have-killed-thousands-of-civilians

 

[RaiderGirl]

It's not out of context, we already went over that. You just wish you could take it back.

Let me quote you again, this is your reply to the facts I dropped about the economy getting better:

Nowhere in my post do I write or indicate the economy is on the way back, A period of improvement in one or more areas of the economy is NOT the same as saying the economy is on the way back... Just as I said, you took what I posted completely out of context, I don't understand why you do that.. Is it a "Winning" thing with you?

I'm actually surprised your still defending the incompetent boob, almost everything he's touched in the last 4 1/2 years has turned to crap.

Since Obama took office, 9.5 MILLION People have left the work force.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/95-million-people-have-left-workforce-under-obama

National Debt when Obama took office: $10.5 TRILLION
National Debt today: $16.9 TRILLION
Soiurce: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

And you believe the economy getting better? That our National debt and a shrinking work force have nothing to do with the economy?

I suppose when the unemployment rate increases and the housing market tanks again, you'll be here posting;

"Look at what Obama inherited Raider, for what he was handed hes' done a great job"

LOL

The difference between me and you JB is that I'm honest enough to say that George Bush was a fiscally irresponsible piece of shit, that TARP should of never happened, that bailing out GM should of never happened, but you would never acknowledge any one of Obama's failures, instead you cover them up and make excuses for them, like the NSA deal..

I remember when you Liberals bitched for years about the Patriot act that Bush signed into law, crying about how much of an invasion of privacy it was, a direct violation of the Constitution, and now that Obama is Prez, ALL that has changed, Now it's OK, it's OK that Obama EXPANDED the Patriot act, it's OK to build date mining facilities to monitor private citizens, all in the name of National Security, the same justification Bush and Republicans used.

As much as I respect some of your opinions here, I would respect them a hell of a lot more if you were more honest with yourself, Try to work on that so you don't look like such a hypocrite OK?

Reminds me of George Carlin talking about another pic from the Reagan Administration; the one of all the Reagan officials indicted and/or investigated for criminal and official misconduct: ]

Gee, I don't remember seeing that one, I saw one of Jimmy Carter though, which reminds me about Ronald Reagan's first term, One thing Reagan did NOT do is spend his entire first term blaming Jimmy Carter, he knew how to get the economy back on track and did it.

Why can't your guy do the same?

Answer: Because he cant.

 

[eyedomainous]

You talk as if a President's financial commitments, like the Bush tax cuts, end when they leave office and the next Pres. starts with a clean slate. Certainly you know that is not the case, so why persist in insulting the readers' intelligence?

And I'm sure you know that debt in an of itself, in business, education, home ownership, etc, is not a bad thing if used wisely; and the world, except you, understands Obama used his share of the debt for the recovery that IS taking place, despite Repugnant obstruction and lies.

The same goes for your "leaving the workforce" crap. Yeah, domainers and thousands of other web workers have left the traditional workforce so are no longer "officially" counted.

Your arguments lack integrity.

 

[verbster]

Nowhere in my post do I write or indicate the economy is on the way back, A period of improvement in one or more areas of the economy is NOT the same as saying the economy is on the way back...

So you're saying the economy, the actual hardship on people and businesses, is the same now as it was a few years ago?

Since Obama took office, 9.5 MILLION People have left the work force.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/95-million-people-have-left-workforce-under-obama

You are citing "cns news" as though it were a legitimate news organization and not a right wing mouthpiece more concerned with getting donations than printing the full unbiased story . Good grief. Stats like this mean nothing. There are many reasons people leave the workforce. Even the time of the year plays a role in the numbers. Look at these numbers just before and just after Christmas.

National Debt when Obama took office: $10.5 TRILLION
National Debt today: $16.9 TRILLION
Soiurce: http://www.usdebtclock.org/

You know, if you own a business that produces 10 million dollars worth of product each year and nets you 1 million for your salary, you are able to borrow more money to buy a house than someone making $100k per year. The financial formula for borrowing is based on ratios of income and debt. Yes, the actual number for the U.S. debt is high, but the US has the highest GDP of any country, and the ratio of debt to GDP
(just under 75%) is just slightly above average for the rest of the world (at about 64%). And it's lower than Europe's premier economic powerhouse, Germany (84%), Japan (214%), UK (88%), Portugal (119%).

And you believe the economy getting better? That our National debt and a shrinking work force have nothing to do with the economy?

of course they have something to do with the economy. That's a pretty broad statement that means nothing. Why don't you first prove how they specifically affect the economy.

The difference between me and you JB is that I'm honest enough to say that George Bush was a fiscally irresponsible piece of shit, that TARP should of never happened, that bailing out GM should of never happened,

Are you forgetting almost all of TARP has been repaid? That thousands of GM workers are now working at a newly successful GM?

I remember when you Liberals bitched for years about the Patriot act that Bush signed into law, crying about how much of an invasion of privacy it was, a direct violation of the Constitution, and now that Obama is Prez, ALL that has changed, Now it's OK, it's OK that Obama EXPANDED the Patriot act, it's OK to build date mining facilities to monitor private citizens, all in the name of National Security, the same justification Bush and Republicans used.

Once again, you're lumping all liberals together like they all have the same political beliefs. Many protested the Partriot Act. Many still do. Just as do many Republicans. Look at the congressional voting:
yeas: 211 (R), 145 (D)
nays: 3 (R), 62 (D)

Gee, I don't remember seeing that one, I saw one of Jimmy Carter though, which reminds me about Ronald Reagan's first term, One thing Reagan did NOT do is spend his entire first term blaming Jimmy Carter, he knew how to get the economy back on track and did it.

It's funny how memories work, especially when it come to Reagan.