The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[RaiderGirl]

US doublespeak: the detainees at Gitmo are bad guys and are so dangerous that they can't be brought on US soil. Utter nonsense

I don't know where you heard that, I think not bringing them to the US has more to do with not giving them the same rights as US citizens.. These are not criminals who held up a liquor store, their War criminals, 911 was act of war, it was a planned terrorist attack to kill innocent Americans and you think they should be treated and given the same rights as an American facing a felon? like a drunk who got pulled over?

What kind of country abducts people, keeps them locked up indefinitely and with no trial ?

I agree they should have been given trials LONG ago, Military trials that is, but I'm sure you would agree that anything would be better for these detainees than having their body parts scattered over the desert after being hit by a predator drone... Bush took them alive and Obama takes them Dead.

I'm actually liking Obama's approach better... It's the only thing the idiot has done right.

There is no shortage of prisons in the US, even supermax ones. Remember, the land of the free has more inmates than any other nation on Earth.

The "land of the Free" applies to Americans, not cowardly scum bag foreigners bent on Killing Americans

 

[GILSAN]

52 countries have already done the US a big favor and accepted hundreds of Guantanamo detainees into their countries including (unfortunately) Portugal that accepted 2 about two years ago. The rest of the detainees are harder to get rid of, and believe me, the US would love nothing more than to to rid themselves of all that scum, either alive or preferably dead.

List of Countries: http://projects.nytimes.com/guantanamo/transfer-countries

 

[JB Lions]

Well, it won't be Jeb Bush in 2016, after reading comments lately from some on the right:

"Jeb Bush: Immigrants ‘more fertile’ and create more businesses than native-born Americans"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...562816-d4ff-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html

 

[RaiderGirl]

Well, it won't be Jeb Bush in 2016, after reading comments lately from some on the right:

We don't want another Bush, or another Romney or another Huntsman or any other moderate conservative, Hopefully the GOP pulls their head out of their ass by election time, supporting true conservatives.

 

[GILSAN]

We don't want another Bush, or another Romney or another Huntsman or any other moderate conservative, Hopefully the GOP pulls their head out of their ass by election time, supporting true conservatives.

Time to make the Tea Party really strong and the same in the UK elections with UKIP.

On a different subject, I'm watching CNN showing the Colorado fires and it's amazing that they were blaming them on climate change. They were saying the same with the recent California fires. Brainwashing the sheeple is going full steam. Why doesn't the stupid MSM just report news instead of trying to brainwash everyone.
Why have fires in California and elsewhere become Climate change fires?

 

[JB Lions]

We don't want another Bush, or another Romney or another Huntsman or any other moderate conservative, Hopefully the GOP pulls their head out of their ass by election time, supporting true conservatives.

Who would you like to see?

Christie would probably get it if he ran, he got that weight reduction surgery, so some thought that was a sign. More like a normal dude, can get votes from right, middle, left.

 

[verbster]

Time to make the Tea Party really strong

Considering how it might affect the world, do you think someone like Michele Bachmann or Palin are acceptable to be President of the United States? (Please don't reply something like, "They couldn't do worse than Obama" or such.)

We don't want another Bush, or another Romney or another Huntsman or any other moderate conservative, Hopefully the GOP pulls their head out of their ass by election time, supporting true conservatives.

I don't know what a "true" conservative is...same for a "true" liberal. maybe they are completely different depending on who you ask.

 

[Theo Goodman]

" all that scum"
-guilty as charged-
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Collecting data, whats the big deal if you are doing nothing wrong, then you have nothing to hide, right?

 

[GILSAN]

Considering how it might affect the world, do you think someone like Michele Bachmann or Palin are acceptable to be President of the United States? (Please don't reply something like, "They couldn't do worse than Obama" or such.)
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Damn, you almost took the words out of my mouth. My honest answer would be:

"They couldn't do any worse than Obama or Bush"

Lets be honest here; remove the teleprompter and neither Bush nor Obama know how to talk. They have others to think and write speeches for them.

At least Palin is being truthful when she says you can see Russia from Alaska and who better to confirm this than our own verbster

Obama on the other hand has lied to the American people on several occasions, including when he claimed he has visited all 57 States (or is that 58?) and this video below can confirm this statement:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws"]Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube[/ame]

Obama was honest in at least one thing; He Promised that He Would be a President That Listens to All Americans, and as we all know from the NSA Leaks, he's actually fulfilled his promise. Kudos for him. In fact he's even gone beyond his call of duty and is also listening to foreigners like myself. How nice of him to remember us.

So right now, considering these circumstances I'd go for the politician that's most honest or the least dishonest, whichever is better. (a dying species I know) and just hope for the best

I heard a young Portuguese politician say last week: "I have to admit that with all the corruption going on I'm beginning to feel ashamed of being honest" :O

Problem is I'm having a hard time believing him also, even though he did sound honest.

 

[enlytend]

Christie would probably get it if he ran, he got that weight reduction surgery, so some thought that was a sign. More like a normal dude, can get votes from right, middle, left.

Strategically, the Jersey Boy would be a good choice for them because he could pull voters across party lines. Will it happen? He says what he thinks and does what he says, so he's pissed off the party leaders...

(FYI to non-NJ'ers: He's stubborn as all get out and crossing him is like crossing a rhino. Literally. Other than that he's not all bad.)

 

[dom-]

The GOP won't forgive Christie brown-nosing Obama

 

[verbster]

Damn, you almost took the words out of my mouth. My honest answer would be:

"They couldn't do any worse than Obama or Bush"

Lets be honest here; remove the teleprompter and neither Bush nor Obama know how to talk. They have others to think and write speeches for them.

At least Palin is being truthful when she says you can see Russia from Alaska and who better to confirm this than our own verbster

Obama on the other hand has lied to the American people on several occasions, including when he claimed he has visited all 57 States (or is that 58?) and this video below can confirm this statement:

Obama Claims He's Visited 57 States - YouTube

Obama was honest in at least one thing; He Promised that He Would be a President That Listens to All Americans, and as we all know from the NSA Leaks, he's actually fulfilled his promise. Kudos for him. In fact he's even gone beyond his call of duty and is also listening to foreigners like myself. How nice of him to remember us.

So right now, considering these circumstances I'd go for the politician that's most honest or the least dishonest, whichever is better. (a dying species I know) and just hope for the best

I heard a young Portuguese politician say last week: "I have to admit that with all the corruption going on I'm beginning to feel ashamed of being honest" :O

Problem is I'm having a hard time believing him also, even though he did sound honest.

I'm no fan of Bush, but I'd rather have him in office than Palin or Bachmann, and that's saying a lot. I am amazed either of the two would even be considered, let alone get any votes.

Yet your criteria for electing someone like Palin as President of the United States is that you think she's honest because she said Russia is visible from Alaska? And because Obama uses a teleprompter? Yikes.

There are too many youtube videos of Palin being a wingnut (and not telling the truth) to post, but here's a challenge for you: Find a video of her admitting anything she said was wrong and apologizing for it (even on little things like what newspapers she reads).

 

[dom-]

Palin was an incredibly beautiful woman 30 years ago with IQ of 85

 

[enlytend]

The GOP won't forgive Christie brown-nosing Obama

Wasn't brown nosing - Christie's about the last person you'd ever accuse of that...

Obama came through promptly with the help that he needed in a very bad situation. He appreciated it and he's genuine enough not to let party loyalties get in the way of saying "thank you" when it's deserved.

And he sure as hell isn't going to let someone else tell him who he is and isn't allowed to thank.

What pissed them off even more, they wanted to send Romney out to do a dog and pony show with Christie to try to get some NJ votes.

Christie told them he was in the middle of a crisis, had real work to do, and to f off.

Palin and Bachmann- I'm all in favor of a woman being president some day, but not one of those two!!! One with a brain, please. And I don't care if they use a teleprompter or not - some people are better public speakers than others, not a big deal.

 

[GILSAN]

I'm no fan of Bush, but I'd rather have him in office than Palin or Bachmann, and that's saying a lot. I am amazed either of the two would even be considered, let alone get any votes.

Yet your criteria for electing someone like Palin as President of the United States is that you think she's honest because she said Russia is visible from Alaska? And because Obama uses a teleprompter? Yikes.

There are too many youtube videos of Palin being a wingnut (and not telling the truth) to post, but here's a challenge for you: Find a video of her admitting anything she said was wrong and apologizing for it (even on little things like what newspapers she reads).

Hey you're the one that suggested Palin or Bachmann and I answered your question. I'm sure you know by now how low my opinion of politicians is, though I'm sure there must be a handful of honest ones around this world, Ron Paul included.

Politicians admitting they are wrong? That's a joke surely... if by chance a politician admits he's wrong it's only to save his own skin. Democrats can do that more frequently without too much fear of scrutiny or retaliation because they have the large majority of the Liberal Media on their side and kissing their asses. Conservatives have a harder time because they only have Fox News, sometimes on their side.

 

[dom-]

U should've seen them in the hotel room

 

[GILSAN]

What pissed them off even more, they wanted to send Romney out to do a dog and pony show with Christie to try to get some NJ votes.

Christie told them he was in the middle of a crisis, had real work to do, and to f off.

So why did Christie do a "dog and pony show" with Obama instead? In the Republican Convention in Florida, Christie kept talking about himself instead of talking about Romney. I remember that clearly. Very egotistical from his part. Contrast that with Bill Clinton's speech during the Democratic Convention.

Christie is a snake and can't be trusted. He simply doesn't like Romney and probably doesn't like Obama either, but put up that show with Obama just to rub it in Romney's face. The fact that he is fat doesn't bother me, but some of his attitudes does.

 

[JB Lions]

So why did Christie do a "dog and pony show" with Obama instead? In the Republican Convention in Florida, Christie kept talking about himself instead of talking about Romney. I remember that clearly. Very egotistical from his part. Contrast that with Bill Clinton's speech during the Democratic Convention.

Christie is a snake and can't be trusted. He simply doesn't like Romney and probably doesn't like Obama either, but put up that show with Obama just to rub it in Romney's face. The fact that he is fat doesn't bother me, but some of his attitudes does.

What a bunch of nonsense. Christie was doing his job. Everybody else was concerned about politics and how it would look, he was concerned with the people of his state.

"We don't want another Bush, or another Romney or another Huntsman or any other moderate conservative, Hopefully the GOP pulls their head out of their ass by election time, supporting true conservatives."

Gilsan responded with Tea Party and then recently saying Back or Palin.

Obama's first victory was a combo of things. People liked what he was saying, the historic implications, that we just had Bush, that you put McCain (too old) with Palin (too dumb). McCain would have had a better shot, if he picked somebody better qualified. President Palin just doesn't make any sense to the rational world. To a Democrat, they would love if Republicans ran Palin or Bach, easy victory. But they're a couple of quitters - "Bachmann announced that she would not seek re-election to her Congressional seat in 2014." And Palin quit on Alaska.

Tea Party - lol, that's about all I have to say about that.

Last election, incumbent usually gets it. Romney ran on 8%, it went under right before election. The hurricane helped, Obama winning last 2 debates helped, Romney straight up lying about Ohio a week before the election and getting called on it helped, Romney having "Obamacare" in his state and them liking it helped. etc.

It has nothing to do with you (Raidergirl) thinking they need to get more Conservative because you think the last 2 were more moderate. The Super Christian, no abortion, no gay marriage types days are over. The country has evolved beyond that, even Repubicans recognize that.

Latest on NSA, which again, both parties support:

"Cheney says NSA monitoring could have prevented 9/11"

"The former No. 2 in the Bush administration defended the NSA's ability to monitor phone and email data, and labeled as a "traitor" the analyst who has admitted to having leaked details about the classified program."

"And Sen. Lindsey Graham, S.C., a hawkish Republican who's vocally defended the NSA practices, suggested another attack is even made more likely if the monitoring is curtailed."

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/...-nsa-monitoring-could-have-prevented-911?lite

Something else. All these "scandals" probably should have been spread out. Having them within the first 6 months and getting them out of the way, then having 3 and a half years left in the end will probably be good for Obama/future Democrat candidates. People have short attention spans. If two things happen. The economy continues to get better, these insurance exchanges work.

 

[enlytend]

So why did Christie do a "dog and pony show" with Obama instead? .

Presidents typically visit disaster areas to see the damage and discuss the situation with local officials to determine what if anything needs to be done at the federal level. Part of his job.

Christie is a snake and can't be trusted. He simply doesn't like Romney and probably doesn't like Obama either, but put up that show with Obama just to rub it in Romney's face.

Nah, he's the real deal. He says what he thinks - which most politicians find baffling. He's blunt, outspoken and in-your-face - not the type to pretend to like anyone or anything.

If he was really a "snake" he would have been sucking up to his own party, not recklessly alienating them. And that is probably his achilles heel as far as being elected - he has a bit of a temper and isn't picky about who he offends. That and the teachers hate him - there are an awful lot of teachers in the country and they vote.

Maybe he likes Obama as a person - so what? He's made it clear through words and actions that he doesn't agree with most of his policies, but if they've got a little bromance going on, good for them. G. Bush Sr. and Bill Clinton struck up a close friendship after they were both out of office. Liking people even though you disagree with them - what a concept !

 

[JB Lions]

They all love each other, deep down inside. A lot of them go to the same colleges, Yale or Harvard. Maybe they belonged to some of the same secret societies, take over/control the world type of stuff. So whether you go left or right, it's the same choice. It's fun playing conspiracy theorist.

Now when some on the right see pics like that, omg traitor.