The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

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1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[DU]

Let's start with these

So you're actually a closet anarchist.. coooool.

 

[RaiderGirl]

"Yes I'm OK with NY Mayor Bloomberg trying to ban big sodas as it can only be beneficial for obese people, just like I'm fine with banning smoking from public places for health reasons, even though I'm no longer a smoker. But even when I was a smoker I agreed to it."

Your comparing smoking where the health of others is impacted by second hand smoke to that of buying a big gulp?

Really?

How is YOUR health effected if someone buys a Big Gulp?

Bottom line is, Government should have NO role in making these kind of decisions for us, what we should eat and what we shouldn't.. Hard to believe were allowing this to happen.

It's the conservatives, not liberals, who want to take women's rights away (abortion) and keep others from having rights (gay marriage). So conservatives are for more government.

If you were to add up ALL the welfare programs progressives have implemented, it adds up to the tune of 52,000 a year, this is what a Unemployed able bodied person is ENTITLED to each and every year.. It's no wonder the unemployment rate has been over 8% for 4 years straight.

"Abortion", is a right that should of never been given... Abortion advocates like yourself may think that Late Term is also a "Right" where a perfectly healthy child is put to death AFTER birth, I do NOT hold that same view...

And your answer to that was? "But Raider, don't you think a Woman has right to do what she wants with her own body?"

Sounds almost as stupid as the Big Gulp/Smoking comparison.

As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately.

 

[DU]

Your comparing smoking where the health of others is impacted by second hand smoke to that of buying a big gulp?.

I believe JBL was quoting GILSAN.

 

[RaiderGirl]

So you're actually a closet anarchist.. coooool.

Uh, NO... The elimination of Government agencies listed would do NO such thing.

I share Thomas Jefferson view when he said;

I think myself that we have more machinery of government than is necessary, too many parasites living on the labor of the industrious.

And to think that that was then... He's probably rolling in his grave right now.

 

[JB Lions]

Yes, DU is correct, I was quoting Gilsan. So we agree on this issue, and like I said, you can read past posts on this. I think Gilsan might be the only one in this thread that's ok with Bloomberg saying what he can eat. He might have a little man crush on him or something, he is rich.

Second, nice copy and paste from this site with your list above - http://urbangrounds.com/2011/07/178-government-agencies-we-should-get-rid-of-immediately/ And that list is from both parties, Republican as well. Now if we went thru that list, one by one, you would probably struggle to tell me why it should be removed, what it does, what benefits we'll get etc. You would be searching for somebody else's answer to copy and paste.

"Bottom line is, Government should have NO role in making these kind of decisions for us, what we should eat and what we shouldn't.."

I agree, except that doesn't carry over to other issues with you. Abortion and gay marriage. So I'm still right on that, you're for more government on those issues, the right usually is. I have to point out like I did before, it's been legal for 40+ years, you guys should drop that issue. It hurts you in the elections.

"As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately."

And why is this a problem for you? I've yet to hear a good answer from somebody opposed. Usually they bring up some bible passage, the old cherry picking the bible, since I'm sure they eat certain food, work on Sunday etc. that the bible is against. Tell me why Susan and Amy being allowed to get married is a problem for you? How does this affect your daily life?

 

[Theo Goodman]

"Hey, I don't need any lessons in morality, especially from a person who is always defending the Religion of Peace."
Relax, nobody is trying to teach you any lesson as its clear that you know everything and there there is 0% chance of change in your opinion regardless. Therefore why not just relax and stop. Your mode of speech has 0 effect even if you had a point.

 

[RaiderGirl]

I agree, except that doesn't carry over to other issues with you. Abortion and gay marriage. So I'm still right on that, you're for more government on those issues, the right usually is. I have to point out like I did before, it's been legal for 40+ years, you guys should drop that issue. It hurts you in the elections.

It's unfortunate that with all the discussions we had on late term abortion, you have yet to denounce the practice, I don't like to think you approve of killing a living healthy baby outside the womb, tell me you don't OK?

You can dress up Abortion however which way you want to JB, (if it makes you feel better about it) but it's MURDER.. And we have laws against Murder don't we? and your suggesting a law against Murder is a form a bigger Government? I don't see it that way, I see as the United States having a duty to protect it's citizens...

Giving away $52,000 a year in welfare entitlements through many of the agencies shown in that list, to able body individuals is NOT protecting them, its making them non productive members of society.... Obama has done plenty of that in the last 4 years.

The work ethic is this country is lower than it's ever been, and its that entitlement mentality that got us there..

FACT is JB, while conservatives promote self reliance, Democrats promote Government reliance.

And their completely clueless on how to pay for it.

 

[JB Lions]

Raider, abortion -----> legal since the 70's. That's not going to change no matter how much it's debated. We don't have a history of rescinding rights people have won. Like I said, ultimately, this is something growing inside the woman's body, she has ultimate choice, not government. It's legal in other civilized societies. It's what's been pointed to as the reason that helps keep crime down, freakonomics. That's an issue we'll just disagree on.

"Giving away $52,000 a year in welfare entitlements through many of the agencies shown in that list, to able body individuals is NOT protecting them, its making them non productive members of society.... Obama has done plenty of that in the last 4 years."

I'm guessing most of those agencies existed before Obama took office, some are named after Republicans. You just wanting to wipe them out, is beyond ridiculous.

"And when the lens shifts to political ideology, the survey finds virtually no difference in the share of conservatives (57%), liberals (53%) or political moderates (53%) who have been assisted by at least one entitlement program."

http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2012/12/18/a-bipartisan-nation-of-beneficiaries/

How about the one you missed:

"As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately."

And why is this a problem for you? I've yet to hear a good answer from somebody opposed. Usually they bring up some bible passage, the old cherry picking the bible, since I'm sure they eat certain food, work on Sunday etc. that the bible is against. Tell me why Susan and Amy being allowed to get married is a problem for you? How does this affect your daily life?

 

[verbster]

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riginally Posted by verbster
Ever notice when "conservatives" don't have an answer, they go off on screaming rants and calling people names? .

This is actually a common trait among liberals, who tend to be very intolerant of others opinions, more so than conservatives. .

I appreciate the irony of your replies even if you don’t. Think about what you wrote, both literally and figuratively. You can’t change the definition or platform of an entire political party simply to deflect what would have been a petulant nuh-uh reply. Liberals can’t be criticized as bleeding heart do-gooders who were a driving force for civil rights in the sixties, acceptance (more than tolerance) of gays currently, yet at the same time be labeled intolerant of others. Where do you get this crap. When it comes to intolerance, you seem to think liberals shouldn’t be allowed argue for what they believe in… that there’s something wrong with them if they don’t agree with your point of view. As far as your contention that liberals go off on screaming rants and calling people names, all I need to do is look at the postings of the conservatives in this thread to prove you wrong, including your own rants. Show me a liberal post that calls conservatives brainwashed idiots and screams at them to Go F#ck Yourself. Show me the false claims liberals make up with no evidence or proof just in this forum and compare it to unsupported, outlandish statements taken from conservatives posting here or from people like Limbaugh, beck, O’Reilly, and the other fair and balanced gang.

Look up the definition of a liberal; you’ll be surprised. Instead of the dirty word you want to make it, it’s really a word that means to favor individual freedom, as in to liberate. You seem to think are bad because they want to help the poor and weary from starving or they encourage the arts and clean water and pristine wilderness so that everyone can benefit. Do you think it’s wrong for a country to take care of its elderly citizens that have spent their lives working and paying taxes and being proud of their country? Do you actually think privatizing social security and Medicare would have a happy ending? Is it wrong that the core of a liberal’s belief is not just money…that they want to make sure justice and equal opportunity are values worth standing for? That civil liberties are worth the effort.

FACT is JB, while conservatives promote self reliance, Democrats promote Government reliance

Self-reliance? You men like growing all of your food, building your own furniture and house, generating your own electricity, digging your own well and septic? If so, you’re my hero. If not, what does self-reliance mean to you?

Your comparing smoking where the health of others is impacted by second hand smoke to that of buying a big gulp?
Really? How is YOUR health effected if someone buys a Big Gulp? .

My health suffers greatly when a 400 pound Big Gulper plops down next to me on a plane, filling up both seats and still having enough rolls of fat to plop over the seatrests just waiting for me to nod off so it can cocoon me in its folds and leave nothing behind except a pair of shoes and a belt buckle. It scares me to death the jet will plunge into a death spiral if my seatmate leans over to look out the window. I have nightmares for weeks.

Bottom line is, Government should have NO role in making these kind of decisions for us, what we should eat and what we shouldn't.. Hard to believe were allowing this to happen.

Oh no? Who is going to stop China from filling your kid’s baby food with melamine? Who is going to stop processors from selling E.coli tainted hamburger? You don’t think it’s a good thing to have truth in labeling on our foods so we know about sodium, allergens, calories, fats and vitamins?

If you were to add up ALL the welfare programs progressives have implemented, it adds up to the tune of 52,000 a year, this is what a Unemployed able bodied person is ENTITLED to each and every year.. It's no wonder the unemployment rate has been over 8% for 4 years straight.

Prove this to me. Show me how I can make the equivalent of $52K per year, especially on a multi-year basis. In fact, write an e-book explaining how to do this and become rich teaching slackers how to best the system you can’t stand. That would be fitting.

"Abortion", is a right that should of never been given... Abortion advocates like yourself may think that Late Term is also a "Right" where a perfectly healthy child is put to death AFTER birth, I do NOT hold that same view...

At what point are you considering the fetus viable? Are you talking about “partial-birth abortions” or something else I’m not familiar with? If you are talking about partial-birth abortions, have you read up on the laws concerning this procedure? How many fetuses/babies are perfectly healthy and can survive at 21 weeks?

As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately.

What do you think rights are, and where do they come from? Is it my right to own a dog? Is it my right to starve and/or beat him if I want? Are you in favor of government stepping in to protect dogs from painful abuse, or do you think it’s better to just let the dog owner torture the dog everyday until it finally dies? Aren’t there laws against animal cruelty? Do you not want them? If there are laws protecting dogs from inhumane and cruel treatment, and laws which are meant to protect the same kind of inhumane treatment inflicted by domestic violence, no matter what the sex is of the couple, why shouldn’t there be laws allowing the joy and happiness marriage can bring two people of the same sex?

 

[JB Lions]

President Obama at 2013 White House Correspondents' Dinner, pretty funny, looks like he had better writer's this time:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON2XWvyePH8"]President Obama at 2013 White House Correspondents' Dinner (C-SPAN) - YouTube[/ame]

 

[RaiderGirl]

Show me a liberal post that calls conservatives brainwashed idiots and screams at them to Go F#ck Yourself. Show me the false claims liberals make up with no evidence or proof just in this forum and compare it to unsupported, outlandish statements taken from conservatives posting here or from people like Limbaugh, beck, O’Reilly, and the other fair and balanced gang.

When I posted the point about Liberals carrying more hate than Conservatives, I was NOT referring to the ones here on the Forum, I was referring to Liberals in general, I suspect you knew that... As for other forums, I've been the victim of Liberals attacking me on DNF.com for years, it's not hard to find Hate and Vulgarity in the P-ection, I'm sure JB Lions can confirm that.

Outside of here, there is plenty of HATE to be found by Liberals against Conservatives and especially the Tea Party,

Do take a listen;

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wc-I_j68Ws"]Liberal Hate Caught red handed with hate speech towards FreedomWorks - YouTube[/ame]

Like I said, ultimately, this is something growing inside the woman's body, she has ultimate choice, not government.

That "something" growing inside is a Human LIFE, That's the problem with Pro-Abortionists like yourself, they treat the baby like it's some kind of "Thing" like it's a tumor growing inside and the Woman has a "Right" to have it removed.. You wont admit to yourself it's human LIFE because if you did, you'd probably have trouble sleeping at night, Whatever makes you feel better.

And I find incredibly hypocritical for you to cite the Roe V Wade decision, that it's "Legal" and at the same time not recognize State LAWS that have outlawed late birth abortion, a practice you have yet to denounce.

If SCOTUS rules against Gay Marriage, will you respect that decision as much as you respect Roe V Wade? Likely NOT.

And I'm still waiting for you define what "Marriage" is, show me that you have a thorough understanding of what "Marriage" is and I will happy to address the issue of Gay Marriage.

I'm guessing most of those agencies existed before Obama took office, some are named after Republicans. You just wanting to wipe them out, is beyond ridiculous.

Nonsense JB, I never gave any indication I wanted to "wipe them out" as you put it, Dramatically cutting handouts? YES. Welfare programs were originally created to helping people in need, clearly it has become far from that today, where able bodied people who have the ability to work, choose NOT to work because they don't have to, because Government makes it too damn easy for them NOT to work.

You might not have a problem with welfare recipients using their EBT card for gambling, travel, cruises, alcohol, cigarettes, and buying drugs to feed their habit, but I DO.

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President Obama at 2013 White House Correspondents' Dinner, pretty funny, looks like he had better writer's this time:

It must be tough writing for a empty suit.

 

[JB Lions]

As far as hate, the Tea Party takes the cake. I wouldn't call it a political party, more of a borderline hate group. Join their FB page, read the comments. Crazy people. It's easily higher on the right.

Abortion, already went thru that. Nothing is going to change with that, our opinions on it, the fact that it will always be legal.

As far as gay marriage, you made the comment on it, so I would hope you knew your own opinion, without needing a definition from me, that's what dictionaries are for. You said:

"As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately."

Dictionaries today, have included gay marriage in the definition:
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

So I want your reason why you think it would be unfortunate that Amy and Beth get the right to marry each other. What's the problem?

"You might not have a problem with welfare recipients using their EBT card for gambling, travel, cruises, alcohol, cigarettes, and buying drugs to feed their habit, but I DO."

Actually I do, most people do.

 

[RaiderGirl]

As far as hate, the Tea Party takes the cake. I wouldn't call it a political party, more of a borderline hate group. Join their FB page, read the comments. Crazy people. It's easily higher on the right.

Too quick a post JB, you couldn't of possibly of watched that entire video.

At any rate, I suggest you ask the Park Police in DC who they would rather have at Washington rallies.

Most Liberals are simply intolerant, so it's no surprise when the media shows one violent protest after another,

Occupy Wall Street anybody?

 

[JB Lions]

That's kind of old news. The video is 3 years old. That graphic is over a year old. Some of the stats are silly. 2 drug overdoses, 10+ cases of people pissing/shitting outside? Sounds like a concert or typical night in a big city after the bars close. And most of them are independents. I think that whole thing was pretty crazy myself. I still don't know what message they were trying to send. Big time disorganized, no clear leaders or message. I think probably 90%+ were just there to hang out. Most are just harmless college kids:

College 60.7%
Grad School Educated 29.4%

Over 90% college.

What about the gay marriage question you skipped again.

"So I want your reason why you think it would be unfortunate that Amy and Beth get the right to marry each other. What's the problem?"

 

[verbster]

You're actually calling Occupy Wall Street a "violent" protest? Good grief. That was barely a cause, let alone a violent one. You want to open the door on which parties are more violent? Really? How about which are more educated, while you're at it? Or maybe which buys more Big Gulps or own guns or believe in UFOs?

So you're saying conservatives are actually the tolerant side of politics? Do you seriously believe that?

 

[serryjw]

JB LIONS

"As for Gay Marriage, it is NOT a right, Never was but most likely will be, Unfortunately."

Sure it is, under the 14th amendment

"You might not have a problem with welfare recipients using their EBT card for gambling, travel, cruises, alcohol, cigarettes, and buying drugs to feed their habit, but I DO."

NOT possible UNLESS the states have not coded their computers correctly

 

[JB Lions]

That was me quoting RaiderGirl

 

[RaiderGirl]

Sure it is, under the 14th amendment

The US Supreme court ruled that same-sex marriage is protected under the 14th Amendment?

When did that happen? Oh wait, I didn't.

The ruling in case you don't know is expected in June.

NOT possible UNLESS the states have not coded their computers correctly

http://www.calwatchdog.com/2011/07/05/welfare-fraud-still-plagues-california/

The prevalence of welfare fraud is disheartening. Last year the Los Angeles Times broke the news that millions of dollars were withdrawn from welfare cards at destination hot spots across the country. Jack Dolan wrote, “More than $69 million meant to help the needy pay their rent and clothe their children was accessed in 49 other states, the U.S. Virgin Islands and Guam between January 2007 and May 2010, according to data from the California Department of Social Services.” More than $11 million was blown in Las Vegas. No one knows if Elvis got some of that.

And another $16,010 was withdrawn from cruise ships to Long Beach, Rio de Janiero and Beijing. Let’s hope the buffets were worth it.


Nope, "it's just "NOT possible"

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You're actually calling Occupy Wall Street a "violent" protest? Good grief.

Murder, Rape, Arson and $10 MILLION dollars in property damage is not considered violent?



Good grief.

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What about the gay marriage question you skipped again.

It seems that you keep skipping mine, I'll ask it again in case you glanced over it like you did the video;

I'm still waiting for you define what "Marriage" is, show me that you have a thorough understanding of what "Marriage" is and I will happy to address the issue of Gay Marriage.

Just like you keep skipping the "Late Term Abortion" question, Your either for it or against it, Try growing a set of balls and answer it so we can move onto bigger and better things, like how truly incompetent Obama really is.

I'm looking forward to that. :D

 

[JB Lions]

That kind of stuff can happen anywhere, especially when you have large groups of people. Reading up on it some, a couple of rapes was from 1 homeless guy. You can have rapists and such, people on the outside coming in and doing that. People having nothing to do with that movement. Or people part of it, taking advantage of a bunch of people sleeping outside. Reading up on the murders, one was from when two groups of men started fighting, someone plulled out a gun and shot. Criminals take advantage of opportunity.

Raider, don't be dense. There are many definitions of marriage. Here's a few:

the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law (2) : the state of being united to a person of the same sex in a relationship like that of a traditional marriage <same-sex marriage>

Marriage (also called matrimony or wedlock) is a social union or legal contract between people called spouses that establishes rights and obligations between the spouses, between the spouses and their children, and between the spouses and their in-laws.

And what in the world does my definition of marriage have to do with what you said?

"Just like you keep skipping the "Late Term Abortion" question, Your either for it or against it, Try growing a set of balls and answer it so we can move onto bigger and better things, like how truly incompetent Obama really is."

What's your definition of late term abortion?

As far as having a set of balls. Somebody left this forum for another forum they supposedly hate? after Romney lost. You could have talked politics here on a forum you say you like but you wanted to talk politics on a forum you said you didn't like with mods and people you didn't like. How does that make any sense? Are you going to take off again when Hillary wins?

 

[RaiderGirl]

That kind of stuff can happen anywhere,

Your detracting from original point, It DIDN'T happen with the Tea Party, they were NOT out killing and raping people, looting businesses or jacking their wieners in public, that was the Occupy Wall Street crowd, the crowd that all you Liberals through your support behind, remember that?

There are many definitions of marriage. Here's a few:

NO, No, no, I want to hear YOUR definition, not some copy and paste definition, Once I know that, then we can have a discussion, until then we would just be wasting each others time.

What's your definition of late term abortion?

Still wont answer the question will you JB?, Instead you deflect from it.. I asked the question first, so have the balls to answer it and spare me with nonsense like this;

Somebody left this forum for another forum they supposedly hate? after Romney lost... You could have talked politics here on a forum you say you like but you wanted to talk politics on a forum you said you didn't like with mods and people you didn't like.

Hard to believe you cant distinguish my style of posting between the two forums, First of all, I like this Forum for the great moderation and better quality of members here, you know that, Here I like to have quality debate without all the nonsense name calling..

At DNF, it's was nothing but mud slinging, it was impossible to have any sort of intelligent debate there, the Liberals were incapable of it, I mean how do you defend 4 years of high unemployment and $16 Trillion in debt right?. You can only play the "Blame Bush" card for so long... So it became a sport where I intentionally flamed the left wingers, I honestly got a real kick out of watching Liberals completely lose it, I knew all the right buttons to push and I pushed every one of them, so much they were practically begging Adam to close the P-Section down, Consider it payback for all the vial personal bashing they did.

Now I honestly had and still have NO desire to do that here, I don't have issues with you or anyone else who contribute to this section....I'd like to keep it clean, even when it gets heated.

As for Romney, he was my LAST choice during the primaries and I would of much rather saw Gingrich, Cain, Bachmann or Paul win the nomination, anybody BUT Romney, but that didn't happen, And I was NOT enthused with Romney at all, and when he lost over Obama, their simply wasn't a lot to say here, other than the fact that Obama ran a more effective campaign than Romney did, Where Obama bought votes with tax payer money and Romney couldn't.

Giving Freebies away at Tax Payer expense has it's rewards, and Obama knew that very well, and he should be congratulated, just like crook should be congratulated for pulling off the perfect crime.