The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Theo Goodman]

"Glenn Beck vs. David Icke

Who wins. "

Great question! Hahah , what a debate that would be.

I thought it was ironic how the ex CIA agent was on Beck explaining the connections between US-Arms running- FSA- Al-Quadia
The way that is is being done is not "new" its just that part of it backfired.

The liberal media sure did help hype up the WMD before Iraq, that is for sure. That is but one example of the liberal media beding a tool of the republicans. In any case it has been stated many times and is not shocking. If you watch media that is more favorable to the democrats you might hear such stories, if you turn on FOX you might just hear something that favors the republicans, imagine that! Amazing, so now that its out of the way ,lets move on.

This Bengazi thing is much bigger than that day. But rather is is about the whole Araba Spring-Lybia-Syria- and Iran.
There are many more sources reporting about this besides Mr. Beck, on both sides of the two sided coin.

 

[JB Lions]

:lol: Amazing!!!... That's precisely what Bronco Bama and the Democrats have done in the past 4 years. They've been feeding them with food stamps and cell phones for life.

And you're suggesting another 4 years of the same Malarkey?

Here's a surprising and interesting article showing that two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years in office :o

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/31/two-thirds-of-jobs-go-to-immigrants/

With that Gilsan, I'd like to point out a few things:

1. We are the land of immigration

2. Not sure if you missed this part, since I know you don't read the articles you post, or watch the videos you post but.. "There is some bright news: an uptick over the past year among native-born Americans accounting for two-thirds of all new employment growth."

3. This article includes illegals, as if most Americans want to take the jobs they're doing or the pay they're doing it for

4. This goes into something Obama has talked about, those high tech jobs of the future. I remember watching a 60 Minutes episode of how they get kids in India into computers at a younger age and when they get older, they pretty much have their pick of colleges, full scholarship, because we don't have enough people here in the country to fill those jobs. And I found the article on that - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-559476.html

I'm getting news, this just in, another poll update, sponsored by RaiderGirl.

Obama now has the popular vote lead, polls averaged - Obama +0.1

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

And this is exactly what I said would happen, with Romney lying about exporting Jeep production:

"According to a Toledo Blade editorial, "the Re­pub­li­can nom­i­nee is con­duct­ing an ex­er­cise in de­cep­tion about auto-in­dus­try is­sues that is re­mark­able even by the stan­dards of his cam­paign." The Youngstown Vindicator calls Romney's ads "an insult to Ohioans" which suggests that Romney "believes the voters of Ohio are not sophisticated enough to separate fact from fiction." Then there's the Cleveland Plain Dealer, which uses descriptions like "flailing" and "recklessly" and "masterpiece of misdirection."

When you flat out lie about something, expecting people to eat it up without question, you're basically calling them stupid. People don't tend to like that, and you're going to see it when it comes time to vote. He f'ed himself on that one.

The Romney slide continues....

 

[GILSAN]

With that Gilsan, I'd like to point out a few things:

1. We are the land of immigration

2. Not sure if you missed this part, since I know you don't read the articles you post, or watch the videos you post but.. "There is some bright news: an uptick over the past year among native-born Americans accounting for two-thirds of all new employment growth."

3. This article includes illegals, as if most Americans want to take the jobs they're doing or the pay they're doing it for

What surprises me about the article is the disproportionate amount (two-thirds) of jobs going to immigrants, both legal and illegal. Why is this so? Are Americans getting lazy to work? Is it the Food Stamp policy that's creating a lazy society?

You're supposed to teach a man to fish.

4. This goes into something Obama has talked about, those high tech jobs of the future. I remember watching a 60 Minutes episode of how they get kids in India into computers at a younger age and when they get older, they pretty much have their pick of colleges, full scholarship, because we don't have enough people here in the country to fill those jobs. And I found the article on that - http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-559476.html

Yes, I've seen that "60 minutes" bit about the students at the super prestigious Indian Institute of Technology at least 2, possibly 3 times. Silicon Valley is full of these graduates. Banks and Financial Institutions are also full of super smart Indians. This has been going on for at least 20-30 years. Some of them land up in other English speaking countries like the UK, Canada, Australia, but most go to the US.

BTW you seem to spend half of your life looking at all the polls. Hope you don't go off your rocker and loose your marbles next Wednesday when all these polls prove you wrong.

You keep talking about the "Jeep in China" thing, but you are silent on the Benghazi cover-up, that killed 4 Americans. Why so much silence about this cover-up from you and all the Libs in this thread? An Inconvenient Truth?

 

[DU]

Democrats have done in the past 4 years. They've been feeding them with food stamps and cell phones for life.

These are new programs? And they're lifetime entitlements ?

That's just crazy town.

How are things in your neck of the woods? I was looking recently and seeing that the P in PIGS had an unemployment rate that continued to rise higher than expected and the new austerity measures were being received less than enthusiastically by the general populous in the last week. Perhaps we should start the NP Official Eurozone Political thread (please don't - the bullshit in this thread stinks the joint up enough).

 

[verbster]

Unbelievable, you still don't get it... I hear on the radio and on blogs conservatives claiming Liberals are demented or they suffer from some kind of genetic defect, I honestly never believed this until I started reading your posts.
LMFAO!

You really can't help yourself, can you? You're calling half the adult poplulation in the states demented or suffering a genetic defect . . . all because they don't believe what you do, and you're laughing about it. You are truly an angry person so full of vitriol that it's crushing all the good in you one cell at a time, like some sort of emotional black hole. When's the last time you laughed at something funny that didn't involve ridiculing someone? Take a breather from your political crusade and celebrate the fact that you're allowed to totally disrespect our president and millions of people, including the liberals in this forum without fear of recourse. And answer this question: Do you think you'd have that right if our past wasn't full of "liberals" that truly meant it when they said they may not agree with what you said, but they would fight to their death to defend your right to say it? And actually did so?

 

[eyedomainous]

So Obama made the economy "FAR WORSE" by giving us the "slowest job recovery"?

[Obama]... is responsible for the slowest job recovery since the great depression, do you?

Admittingly, he was handed a mess.. No doubt, but instead of improving on the economy, he's made it FAR WORSE

So if Obama made the economy "FAR WORSE" how could the recession end in 2009, a year after he became President? Also, the link you gave cites the National Bureau of Economic Research which states that "the recession ended when the recovery began". So by pointing to when the recession ended your also pointing to where the recovery begins... which undermines your entire argument.

For your information the recession officially ENDED in June 2009..
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/20/news...over/index.htm ... And did you know the recession ended BEFORE any of the Stimulus money was spent?

Then you flat out lie to deny the fact that a year after Stimulus got in the system the "official recession" ended and Recovery began.

The first Stimulus checks were paid to individual U.S. taxpayers in spring of 2008. Mortgage bank borrowers received credit approval by December 31, 2008. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr5140

Note: there was a National Recession: Dec. 2007 to June 2009. and a Global Recession: 2008–2012.
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Private sector take pay cuts and make that sacrifice while Public sector employees REFUSE to...

Public Employees Agree to Three Percent Pay Cut | Most Calif. Public Employees Set to Take 4.6% Pay Cut July 1st | Public Workers Wages Cut To Minimum Wage

Clearly your wrong, but your (republican) point is public employees should NOT have more wage protections than private employees. Democrats work to give wage protections to all employees. The point I was making, however, was workers often take pay cuts when times are bad and they have hope things will get better.

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When it comes to deficits there is enough blame to go around, in government -and beyond, to personal credit card and household debt. So stop crying Bloody Murder!! from your holier than thou band wagon. Especially since you say... your a "fat ass".

The bottom line is, having a '30 year mortgage' on our national house is not the end of the world. The good news is -when Bush put the U.S. in deep debt do-do, our "House" qualified for a 'home equity' loan.

The only thing worse than getting a loan when you REALLY need one... is NOT getting it.

Part of what you won't admit, is just by investing that money back into 'the house', early on -with a new management team, had a positive (market) impact on the 'neighborhood'.

Now you can argue that we wasted money on greening the landscape when a kitchen rehab would've given a bigger return, but at this stage the point is mute.

So grab your Conservative Edition of Home & Garden, flip to the White Kitchen We Could've Had article and flag your meat until red, white and blue in the face, cause clearly that's what gets you off.

Seriously, though, most of your statements and accusations have so little merit -your clearly making them for attention, and, as you say... your addicted to the drama of making "liberals implode".

I think you flatter yourself. The statement itself, however, makes it clear your posting to feed a sick delusional implode fantasy.

I won't enable that, and in the interest to time... I'll limit future replies to posts and accusations that actually have merit.​

 

[GILSAN]

How are things in your neck of the woods? I was looking recently and seeing that the P in PIGS had an unemployment rate that continued to rise higher than expected and the new austerity measures were being received less than enthusiastically by the general populous in the last week.

Unemployment here is OFFICIALLY almost 16%, which we know is a lie. Everyone here, including all the Media would love to see all our crooked politicians, from the left to the right of the political spectrum, shipped off in a container ship to some remote and uninhabited island in the Antartic for a minimum of 20 years. That's what we think of our politicians and the EU's SOB's (politicians and Bankers) as well.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Since me and RaiderGirl like polls, here's another one for you:

Where did you get the idea I "Like" polls? The reason for discussing polls is because you dismissed Romney's earlier 5 point Gallup lead by making a asinine statement that polls don't matter and only the electoral college matters..

Let me also say I'm not into predicting this election nearly to the degree that you are, seems your obsessed by it, FEAR has a way of doing that.

My instinct tell's me it's going to be a decisive Romney win, I might be wrong but that's what I believe... Like I said before, it's all going to come down to voter turnout, Low voter turnout for Obama and HIGH voter turnout for Romney, this will be what decides the election on Tuesday.

So spins your wheels all you want too, Polls CANT predict voter turnout.

And I just cant see Democrats or Obama supporters turning out nearly in record numbers like they did in 2008, With $4 Gas, Higher food prices and literally NO work for 24 Million people, I just don't see them going out of their way to vote for a man who they know in their heart is incapable of improving the economy.

As for all your other dribble about Beck, Bengazi, Fox, 1983, Unloaded rifles, your facebook wallpaper and links to leftist bloggers, (like they have credibility) I'm really not interested, I'm actually bored from it all because it's so incredibly irrelevant.

Everything out there is pointing to an Obama win and I don't see anything changing in the next 5 days. You copying and pasting more nonsense off of some red state blogs, isn't going to change any of that either.

You really need to get a life.

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Then you flat out lie to deny the fact that a year after Stimulus got in the system the "official recession" ended and Recovery began.

The first Stimulus checks were paid to individual U.S. taxpayers in spring of 2008. Mortgage bank borrowers received credit approval by December 31, 2008. http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hr5140

WTF are you talking about?

You know that your citing the BUSH stimulus don't you?

And you know Obama was elected in 2009 right?

LOL.. This is TOO MUCH... "Clueless" must run deep in Liberals.

Were talking about Obama's stimulus, The American Recovery and Reinvestment act passed in Feb 09, LOOK IT UP.

And you didn't get that? I wasn't referring to Bush's stimulus you moron, And you call me a liar because your too stupid to understand?

I'm reminded of a proverb;

"Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge"

It means I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a idiot.

 

[JB Lions]

"FEAR has a way of doing that."

That would be your more recent posts and the crazy stuff in them. It's like you're slowly losing it or something. It's what I expect the next few days from you, Fox, wingnuts etc, now that you see what's happening. I'm just waiting for yet another one from Chuck Norris about the world coming to an end when Obama gets reelected, to round it all out. Should be coming soon.

New York Mayor Bloomberg endorses Obama

"Both Obama and Republican challenger Mitt Romney had eagerly sought the nod from Bloomberg, who didn't endorse a presidential candidate in 2008."

http://news.msn.com/politics/new-york-mayor-bloomberg-endorses-obama-1

Just reading about the International Association of Fire Fighters supporting Obama, nearly 1/3 of them located along Sandy's path, something else to bite Romney

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswA3JYqUQY"]Fire Fighters for Obama - YouTube[/ame]

Wanted to throw in some Chuck Norris, a thread isn't certified Gold without a lil Chuck:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90"]Chuck Norris' dire warning for America - 2012 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[verbster]

LOL.. This is TOO MUCH... "Clueless" must run deep in Liberals.

Sigh.

"Go from the presence of a foolish man, When you do not perceive in him the lips of knowledge"

14:6 is more applicable to your situation. "A scoffer seeks wisdom, and finds it not: but knowledge is easy unto him that understands."

It means I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a idiot.

It means I'll bet you fib about your IQ and SAT scores.

 

[eyedomainous]

And did you know the recession ended BEFORE any of the Stimulus money was spent?

This was a Democrat / Pelosi Stimulus Bill signed by Bush.

 

[DU]

And you know Obama was elected in 2009 right?

Sure, whatever, you say

 

[JB Lions]

Ah, I missed that one.

"He was officially elected by the Electoral College on December 15, 2008. His inauguration was on January 20, 2009."

And I'm pretty sure the election in a few days will be in the year 2012. I'll have to get my crack team of reporters to verify.

 

[eyedomainous]

Childish name calling does not change the fact that your statement, "the recession ended BEFORE any of the Stimulus money was spent?", is false.

Also note the context of my post... note the 2008 Obama video... and lanquage about efforts made even before he took office to let folks know "Stimulus was coming".

His 2009 American Recovery and Reinvest Act differs from Pelosi's "Economic Stimulus Act of 2008" in another very important way -in regards to this "discussion".

One of them has the word STIMULUS in the title, and is referred to as the The Stimulus Act.

The other is officially called "THE RECOVERY ACT"

If you meant RECOVERY ACT say Recovery. Go Ahead, its not going to kill you to put the words OBAMA and RECOVERY together. Then again, maybe it will.

And you know Obama was elected in 2009 right? ... Were talking about Obama's stimulus, The American Recovery and Reinvestment act passed in Feb 09, LOOK IT UP.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Childish name calling does not change the fact that your statement, "the recession ended BEFORE any of the Stimulus money was spent?", is false.

It was YOU who started the childish name calling over my claim Obama is incompetent, Did you already forget that? If you cant handle it then you shouldn't be here, it was certainly not directed at you.. So you name call because you don't like it, and you expect to be treated with respect in return? NOT going to happen, I treat people the way I'm treated, so if you don't like my tone, I suggest you change your own.

And repeatedly calling me a liar because you cant comprehend what your reading isn't helping you either...

If your going to claim something as false, then have the decency to PROVE otherwise, You haven't done that, Like were all supposed to take your word for it right?.

The recession DID end in June 2009, Stimulus passed in Feb 2009 and it wasn't until after June for that money to be spent and even LONGER for it to kick in, And if stimulus money was dispersed before June, it was given in the form of Grants to the states, which was used to pay down debt

Bottom line; The $787 Billion in stimulus did NOTHING to aid in ending the recession in June 2009, This is a indisputable FACT... Look it up.


It’s Official – Obama Did Not End The Recession
William A. Jacobson
Associate Clinical Professor,
Cornell Law School
September 20, 2010


The National Bureau of Economic Research has declared that the recession ended, statistically speaking, in June 2009. As reported by the L.A. Times:

Reporting from Washington — The panel of economists that dates the nation’s economic cycles declared Monday that the recession that started in December 2007 ended in June of last year — making it the longest downturn since World War II.

The National Bureau of Economic Research, a private nonprofit research group that is considered the official arbiter of economic contractions and expansions, took pains to note that a determination of the end of the recession doesn’t mean the economy has returned to vigorous growth.

Statistics are one thing, reality is another. As the report recognizes, the recovery has not shown up yet in most of the major measurements on which people focus, like the unemployment rate.

But please note the date: June 2009. Just five months after Obama took office, and four months after the Stimulus Plan was passed but before Stimulus money was spent.

In other words, Obama’s policies and spending had absolutely nothing to do with the statistical end of the recession. Oh, sorry, I forgot that this is the internet, so let me say it more clearly:

OBAMA’S POLICIES AND SPENDING HAD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE STATISTICAL END OF THE RECESSION!!!!!!

More >>>

If you meant RECOVERY ACT say Recovery. Go Ahead, its not going to kill you to put the words OBAMA and RECOVERY together. Then again, maybe it will.

Do you really need that much help? A 8 year could of concluded what I was referring to.

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Sure, whatever, you say

:lol:..

Not as big a gaf as Joe Biden speaking earlier this week in front of a group of Women at a campaign rally;

"As they say in my business, I’m going to give you the whole load today!” ~ Joe Biden

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You really can't help yourself, can you? You're calling half the adult poplulation in the states demented or suffering a genetic defect

You prove once again how low and dishonest Liberals like yourself can be, taking what I posted completely out of context.. I never made any such claim, NOT even close. And your claim that I'm angry? LOL, add this to your long list of absurdity.

And do include the one where 1/2 the US Population is Liberal.. LMFAO!

"As of August 2011, 19% of American voters identify themselves as liberals, 38% as moderates and 41% as conservatives.[16] In 1992, 18% identified as liberal, 40% as moderates and 35% as conservative" ~ WikiPedia

19 years later and Liberals grew at a whopping 1%.. Impressive.

LMFAO!

 

[Theo Goodman]

"
"As of August 2011, 19% of American voters identify themselves as liberals, 38% as moderates and 41% as conservatives.[16] In 1992, 18% identified as liberal, 40% as moderates and 35% as conservative" ~ WikiPedia"

It must have been a conservative that edited that wiki entry

"idiot." when you use the word "idiot" someone might, perhaps, maybe think that you are angry.

 

[eyedomainous]

And repeatedly calling me a liar because you cant comprehend what your reading isn't helping you either

Try to comprehend this, RaiderGirl,

1). The Pelosi-Bush Stimuls was the national "RECESSION Stimulus".

2). The Obama "Stimulus" was RECOVERY Stimulus. Hence it was called the "Recovery Act"... designed to recover from the "late 2000 recession", aka the GLOBAL Recession.

These are two different stimulus programs, each with their own distinct objectives to deal with different aspects of a local-global recession. You confuse the two, badly, and rudely.

Do you really need that much help? A 8 year could of concluded what I was referring to.

With all due respect to the un-official declarations of a right wing funded, and headed, National Bureau of Economic Research, but saying the National recession is over in a global economy -that's still in the midst of financial crises... is virtually meaningless.

I will also note there are several definitions for a recession.

Its clear to me you lack the quality of character to be fair to President Obama, but the effectiveness of the "Obama Stimulus" on Recovery from the Global Recession, which was its stated goal, has been measured.

As stated earlier in this thread, The Credit Suisse Research Institute and Investment Banking Securities Report, measured global household wealth during the global recession; So you can compare the effectiveness of the Obama Administration response against other countries.

In short, Obama lead the U.S. to the best economic recovery, when compared to the rest of the recession world.

To fully appreciate how substantive this is , consider it was a global financial crises, and U.S. banks own 46% of the global financial market. Holding half the "bad paper" we had, by far, the highest risk of bank failure and economy collapse.

As a national measure, the U.S. minted nearly one million new millionaires in the last year, but Europe shed almost 1.8 million U.S. dollar millionaires in 2011, with half of those losses coming from Italy, France, and Germany.

 

[RogueWriter]

Good 'ole unions, gotta love their consistency.

Election is getting close, what do you bet our armed forces are ordered to strike an alleged terrorist cell in Libya over the weekend? Say Sunday night, just enough time for the liberal media to extoll the virtues of the strike, but not enough time to investigate it accurately.

Maybe I'm wrong, but we will see.

 

[JB Lions]

Good 'ole unions, gotta love their consistency.

Election is getting close, what do you bet our armed forces are ordered to strike an alleged terrorist cell in Libya over the weekend? Say Sunday night, just enough time for the liberal media to extoll the virtues of the strike, but not enough time to investigate it accurately.

Maybe I'm wrong, but we will see.

I doubt it, don't see anything like that before the election. But last time I looked, killing terrorists is a good thing, shouldn't need the media to tell you that.

Obama up again +0.3, Last 6 national polls, 3 tied, 3 for Obama.

 

[GILSAN]

Good 'ole unions, gotta love their consistency.

Election is getting close, what do you bet our armed forces are ordered to strike an alleged terrorist cell in Libya over the weekend? Say Sunday night, just enough time for the liberal media to extoll the virtues of the strike, but not enough time to investigate it accurately.

Maybe I'm wrong, but we will see.

Amazing that New Jersey turns away non-Union Relief Crews even though its a time of great national tragedy. Why are these Union thugs, most of which are Democrats, doing this?

Interesting to note the Liberal Media ridiculing Romney for providing help to the affected areas... will they also ridicule the Unions for doing this? How can these idiots turn away good help to people are still struggling with the storm? It boggles the mind.
Just like some of the looting that took place while Sandy was pouncing

I think you may be right about some sort of strike in Libya, and this weekend is the perfect time for the Liberal Media to kiss Obama's ass, to highlight how Presidential he's been (Isn't a President supposed to act Presidential?) and what a wonderful week it's been for the President as can be seen by his rise in the polls in the last few days.

It may have been a good week for Obama but not for almost 100 people killed, thousands of homes destroyed, millions without electricity and about $5o Billion in damages. Yea what a great week for Bronco Bama.

It also seems that according to some Liberals, Hurricane Sandy is Romney's fault now. :o But, the facts are that "Sandy" and "Irene" happened during the Obama administration. I wonder what factcheck.org will say about this. Is it Obama's or is it Romney's fault?


How is the U.S. economy doing nearly four years into President Obama’s presidency? Not so great by some measures.

Despite promises to rein in Wall Street, the Obama administration hasn’t leveled any major criminal prosecutions against financial firms or executives relating to their roles in the financial crisis, too-big-to-fail banks have actually gotten bigger, income inequality has been worse under Obama than it was under George W. Bush, and most of the jobs employers have created during the recovery don’t actually pay very well.

Below are 14 things Obama doesn't want you to know:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/04/obama-doesnt-want-you-to-know-economy_n_1855172.html