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Can someone show me the link and breakdown of the 7 million that no longer are interested in working but want to be counted as unemployed? Also, how their employment status was determined. I'm curious.

I would also be interested to a link that shows how the BLS fudges numbers. A proper paper based on accounting / statistics and not Fox news or the Comedy channel. Something scientific.

I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the conservative compassion for the unemployed. I thought conservatives were about personal accountability... If you're not looking you're not unemployed and you and you alone are accountable for that, no? Why would we count you?

Previously I read the unemployed were LAZY... Turns out we need to account for them... Presumably to help?

(Or are they just political fodder)
 
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This isn't helping Romney either, his past response about FEMA and his dodging questions on it now:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/28/mitt-romney-fema_n_2036198.html

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqXk5XxHKx8"]Romney on FEMA Government Spending - YouTube[/ame]

Oh, and they just updated the poll averages. Remember above where I pointed out Romney had a 0.8 lead, now down to 0.2 - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Obama momentum.

haha, I love it. Huckabee firing up the left:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eV0OipvkZE"]Test of Fire - Mike Huckabee Narrates - YouTube[/ame]

All coming together, perfect timing.
 
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the conservative compassion for the unemployed...

..And you should be, as conservatives in general donate a higher percentage of their income to charities, which in turn helps to house/feed/educate the needy.

Okay...not meaning to sell amazon on here so I am modifying the link. Just look up Arthur Brooks, 'Who Really Cares'...
 
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"..And you should be, as conservatives in general donate a higher percentage of their income to charities, which in turn helps to house/feed/educate the needy."
Although that is nice (and tax deductable) in no way is that conclusive. People are then just as or much more dependent on these donations to "charities" which often have their own (often religious) agenda.
 
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If your "truly interested" you would look up the info. But even if you did your not likely going to point out [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O0kwvFtEl0"]the first thing Obama did, even before he took office, was reassure the markets, and industries on the verge of collapse, that stimulus and jobs are coming.[/ame]

He told workers work was coming rebuilding America's infrastructure. He promised and delivered billions for" Green Jobs". And so on. Hope is actually the best strategy when companies are about to close up shop because they can't meet payroll.

But when given hope, they held on, took pay cuts, or went without pay... until the loan, or a work order, came through

After he took office he used Executive Orders to lift funding bans a Scientific Research, like Stem Cells, doubled the size of loans the SBA could give out, put forth a Farm Bill, a Jobs Act and so on.

IF its the slowest recovery since the great depression that might be because its the worst recession since the great depression (with the worst partisan sabotage since the civil war).

RaiderGirl, your unrelenting lies blaming Obama for "5.5 TRILLION dollars of debt" demonstrates an absolute lack of any intellectual honesty, integrity or credibility on the issue.

Debt belongs to the Policy that created it. Bush ran two wars OFF THE BOOKS, Obama puts the cost on the books and you blame him for the debt! And label him "the most incompetent President in history". Have you no shame?

Take from FactCheck.org: "Obama policies account for just under $1 trillion of the debt added since he took office, while Bush added $5.1 trillion in his eight years — mostly due to tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

To "stand by" an incompetent statement is stupid. The fact that you will continue to repeat such a blatantly incompetent statement, and embrace it as your signature brand, is actually kinda sick. IMO.

Show us how your process works, How did Obama stop jobs from bleeding? What policies exactly did he put in place to slow down unemployment? I'm truly interested.

And I stand by my comment that Obama is the most incompetent President in our history, I don't know of one other President who added $5.5 TRILLION dollars in debt in less than 4 years and is responsible for the slowest job recovery since the great depression, do you?
 
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Your right, you cant convince a Liberal of anything, I learned a long time ago that Liberals are the most intellectually dishonest people on the planet, I think the reason I do it is because I like watching them implode.

If you could channel all of your anger and viciousness into a cause for good, like finding a way to help people, you'd be a truly admirable person. Unfortunately, what gives you a thrill now, by your own admission, is social carnage. Getting off by spreading misery and hate isn't something to be proud of.

Step outside tonight, look up into the face of infinity and gain some perspective.
 
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Kids have a way of saying things in such an honest way :lol:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjrthOPLAKM&feature=player_embedded"]Tired of Bronco Bamma and Mitt Romney - YouTube[/ame]

"Bronco Bama"... isn't that cute? :notme:
 
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I recommended blowing the lid off the box and stepping outside for a look around.

[ame]http://youtu.be/BNx642Tj9cc[/ame]

Note: The two party system is explained at the 7:00 minute mark.
 
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"When you consider Romney is up by as much as 5 points in the National polls of likely voters and it HOLDS until election day, it's almost inconceivable to think Obama who's 5 points down can win the electorial,"

Decided to check the polls once more before I call it a night. You know even Fox News latest poll has it dead even, when before Romney was ahead - http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/10/31/fox-news-poll-race-for-white-house-dead-heat/

The average polls are now even, Romney was +2 I believe, now Obama has the momentum - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Rasmussen Electoral for Obama - http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/archive/2012_electoral_college_scoreboard

Nate Silver, Obama taking commanding lead, nice jump last week - http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/

My favorite, 98% accurate Intrade Electoral Map - http://electoralmap.net/2012/intrade.php

The one you were talking about:
Gallup 10/22 - 10/28 51-46 Romney +5

Next Gallup to come out, it has to be less.

I will say this, I saw a 7.9% Unemployment Rate next time it comes out, so .1 up, but overall, still trending down. We'll know shortly.

I rotate who I watch up the election, tonight was Fox News night aka Comedy Central. Dick Morris predicting a Romney landslide was pretty funny. O'Reilly Factor, usual stuff. Hannity, don't know where to start with him.

The FEMA stuff is really doing Romney in

Paul Krugman: Mitt Romney's Proposal To Privatize FEMA Is 'Pathological'
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...omney-fema_n_2050113.html?utm_hp_ref=business

It's also interesting with these hurricanes.

2008 Republican Convention - Hurricane Gustav affected some of the activities

2012 Republican Convention - Hurricane Isaac canceled a day

1 week before Election, Hurricane Sandy

Maybe some of the extreme Christian Right were right, I think this just happened within the last couple of weeks:

“The Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) recently removed an article from its website that listed Mormonism as a ‘cult.’"

So looking good at this point.
 
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"When you consider Romney is up by as much as 5 points in the National polls of likely voters"


Unbelievable, you still don't get it... I hear on the radio and on blogs conservatives claiming Liberals are demented or they suffer from some kind of genetic defect, I honestly never believed this until I started reading your posts.

Again, it's NOT about 5 points, and it's not even about Obama or Romney, it's about your ridiculous claim that polls don't matter, To suggest that any candidate who's polling 3 points or more on election day can lose the electoral college is a clear indication you don't know what the hell your talking about.. I asked you to provide ONE election where that happened and you give me Gore/Bush where the polls were almost tied... LOL.


He's done a good job with what he was handed

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Admittingly, he was handed a mess.. No doubt, but instead of improving on the economy, he's made it FAR WORSE.

$787 Billion dollars WASTED on a stimulus that was intended to keep the unemployment below 8%, Shortly after the Bill passed, unemployment went over 8% and remained over 8% up until a couple months ago.

In his first 3 years, he did NOTHING to jump start jobs in the private sector, ZERO.. Instead he focused on Obamacare and growing the size of Government.. More Czar's, More beurocries, 16000 more IRS auditors.

Federal employees grew by 123,000 or 6.2%, this according to the White House's budget office.

19000 jobs lost unnecessarily during the drilling moratorium in the Gulf.. Estimated Oil production loss? $24 BILLION.

780,000 More Women Unemployed today than when Obama took office. And Obama says he for Women and equal pay, how can 780,000 Women have equal pay if they don't have a job?

$90 BILLION wasted on Green Energy companies that went bankrupt, Companies that shoulf of been given guarranteed loans in the first place.. Companies like Solyndra, Satcon, Fisker, Tester and Ener1, 50 + companies.. And Obama had the balls to suggest yesterday that every company he invested in has been a success, what a ****ing LIAR.

His failures and incompetence is endless, Like I said before, this is what you get from electing someone who NEVER managed a business, never Governed a State and Never balanced a budget in his life.. Pure incompetence at every level.

I haven't even gotten to the blatant incompetence in protecting our Ambassador in Bengazi, Libya, where soldiers were asked to stand down while their being attacked.

First Ambassador to die in 30 years, and First President to cover it up for political gain and you say what again? Oh yeah, "He's done a good job"

LMFAO!
 
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I am sorry for interjecting reality here, but RCP average is now tied @ 47.4% - 47.4%

Obama vs Romney

You can see which way the trends are heading.

It has not been a good week for Romney. Obama is getting praise for his handling of the storm by Chris Christie, while Romney has moved full speed ahead with his Jeep lies.

He has faced wide backlash from the national media, Ohio media, newspapers, and the CEO of Chrysler and GM both refuted his BS.

Right now Romney is around 31% to win on InTrade and even lower on other sites.

I would suggest anyone who is that confident that Romney will win should go to InTrade and put your money where your mouth is.

You can invest in Romney shares for barely $3 and make a $7 return.

Brad
 
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Interview on Glen Beck points out the connection between Lybia-Al Quedia-FSA-Syria and BENGAZI
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22...ma-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/

"Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means that Stevens was authorized by the U.S. Department of State and the Obama administration to aid and abet individuals and groups that were, at a minimum, allied ideologically with Al Qaeda, the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the homeland on the first 9/11, the one that’s not supposed to exist anymore after the killing of its leader, Osama bin Laden, on May 2, 2011."
"“This has to be brought out. This has to be made known to the public. That this is going on and that our administration was not only working with the bad guys. Was working with Al Queda linked militas and jiihadis to overthrow Assad in Syria but that they let our mission go down. They let our ambassador and others die. In real time, watching it happen, and they didn’t do anything about it,” Lopez said."

Romney would do the same and would have his hands tied just as much.
 
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It has not been a good week for Romney. Obama is getting praise for his handling of the storm by Chris Christie, while Romney has moved full speed ahead with his Jeep lies.

Right now, speaking as a lifetime resident of the state that was hardest hit, I'm proud of both President Obama and governor Christie for showing leadership, taking action, pushing politics aside and keeping their priorities straight.

Here's what Romney did this week:
- COntinued to grandstand for his own political gain in the midst of a domestic crisis.
- Called all of the REPUBLICAN governors of affected states to offer his assistance. Did NOT contact the governors of NY, MD, NC or MA (oh yeah - his "own" state got dissed because they have a democratic governor.)
- Set up a "donations" photo op in Virginia (a swing state.) BTW, the LAST thing emergency organizations want is item donations because it takes valuable resources to organize and figure out what to do with them. This tells me either Romney's more concerned appearances and his campaign than actually helping people, OR he is clueless about proper disaster response procedures. Probably both.

Let's also remember that Romney wants to disband FEMA and turn the responsibility back to the states ... or privatize it. Would the state of NY have had the funds to deal with 9/11? Just sayin'.

It's not about taking money away from future generations, it's about taking care of our own people.

Sometimes it takes a crisis to see what folks are all about. Not that I agree with either of them all the time and on all things, but Obama and Christie get a lot of respect from me for the way they've handled the current crisis.
 
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Blow the lid off the box and come outside and take a breath of fresh air. IMHO

[ame]http://youtu.be/MW0wIJR2LY4[/ame]
 
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Ah, I see.. A Stimulus that didn't work as I pointed out, And he "reassured the markets how? by throwing Billions more in TARP money? You throw enough money at something and you can reassure just about anything.

He told workers work was coming rebuilding America's infrastructure.

Most of that money goes to Government contractors, how does that help the private sector who's suffering the most?

He promised and delivered billions for" Green Jobs".

Green jobs like counting the bus driver who's been driving the same Bus for over 10 years that runs on Natural Gas? OR Green Jobs that workers once had after their company went bankrupt?

$90 Billion wasted in bankrupt Green companies, Many of which just so happened to donate to his 2008 campaign... hmmm.

But when given hope, they held on, took pay cuts, or went without pay... until the loan, or a work order, came through

Your referring to the private sector, which Obama did nothing to help.. Speaking of pay cuts, How many pay cuts did the Public sector take? Everyone from Federal Government Administrators to State Teachers, What was their pay cut percentage? Or should I ask; What was their pay INCREASE? Private sector take pay cuts and make that sacrifice while Public sector employees REFUSE to, and instead get pay increases and more benefits from collective bargaining.


After he took office he used Executive Orders to lift funding bans a Scientific Research, like Stem Cells, doubled the size of loans the SBA could give out, put forth a Farm Bill, a Jobs Act and so on.

Whatever Jobs act your referring to, it clearly didn't work.. And most of what you mention here amounts to more Government spending, How does is that a positive?

IF its the slowest recovery since the great depression that might be because its the worst recession since the great depression

For your information the recession officially ENDED in June 2009..
http://money.cnn.com/2010/09/20/news/economy/recession_over/index.htm

Acknowledged by Obama himself on more than one occasion. And did you know the recession ended BEFORE any of the Stimulus money was spent?


RaiderGirl, your unrelenting lies blaming Obama for "5.5 TRILLION dollars of debt" demonstrates an absolute lack of any intellectual honesty, integrity or credibility on the issue.

Lies? NO,No,no. 100% FACT

Anyone can fact check it;

When Bush left office the National Debt was; $10.626 Trillion

National Debt TODAY; $16.222 Trillon

Difference; $5.596 TRILLION,


Another FACT, Bush added $5.2 Trillion dollars to the National Debt in 8 years and fought 2 wars.

Obama added $5.5 Trillion dollars to the national debt in less than 4 years were fighting 1 war.


Take from FactCheck.org: "Obama policies account for just under $1 trillion of the debt added since he took office, while Bush added $5.1 trillion in his eight years — mostly due to tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan."

This according to "Ezra Klein" BLOGGER and columnist for the Washington Post AND contributor to (you guessed it) MSNBC, the Obama Channel.

For anyone to suggest that Obama and a Democratically controlled House and Senate is NOT responsible for the majority of debt incurred in the last 4 years is either 1) A dishonest Liberal or 2) A Liberal Idiot, I assume your both.

And because FactCheck noted this in their article but NEVER made the claim it had any validity, you present it as FACTUAL? It's all about deception with you Liberals isn't it?.. NOT even Obama has made such an asinine claim, and he's made plenty of them in the debates.

What you seem to overlook, maybe by ignorance of how Government works, is the FACT that it's the President's JOB to deliver a balanced budget every year, he didn't do it, NOT once, never even submitted one, So what we have is Trillion dollar + deficits every year.

Did you forget that Democrats had a filibuster proof majority in the House and Senate and could of passed almost anything they wanted to for 2 full years? So why didn't they pass a balanced budget and pass measures to pay down the debt? And because Obama, Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi FAILED to, your suggesting Bush is responsible for $4 Trillion?

I don't know who looks more ridiculous, the incompetent boob in the White House or the boobs I see here supporting him with inaccurate information, you and JB in particular.
 
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"Again, it's NOT about 5 points, and it's not even about Obama or Romney, it's about your ridiculous claim that polls don't matter, To suggest that any candidate who's polling 3 points or more on election day can lose the electoral college is a clear indication you don't know what the hell your talking about.."

I've actually never refuted that, don't even care. Polls don't matter? Did you miss all the links to polls I've posted? They are a snapshot of what's happening, I find them interesting, Tuesday will decide it. Now, what I pointed out to you is, when you posted that, I pointed you to the Electoral College predictions. Where every single one was for Obama the whole time. I can understand why you don't like that. I also pointed that he's not polling 3+ points over Obama. It some random poll, yes. Overall, no, it's tied and moving towards Obama now.

Some of the rambling after that, I literally went over in prior posts, with facts. You're going to find out after this election, your sources just suck, in 5 more days.

As far as Benghazi, first Glenn Beck is a loon. It seems Fox thinks this is the thing to bring Obama down with as much time as they're talking about it.

Well, did it stop people from voting for Bush, when it was found out we had warnings and such prior to 9/11?

Did it stop people from voting for Reagan's second term when this happened:

"On Oct 23, 1983, 241 Marines were killed by a suicide truck bomber because, at the orders of Ronald Reagan, the guards at the barracks were carrying unloaded rifles in a war zone."

Fox has unnamed sources, heard Hannity talk about some tape, of course he doesn't have it. How convenient, nobody putting their names to any of these claims.

They're looking into all of this now and the facts will come out sooner or later. And if somebody did something wrong, they should be held accountable. But I like to see all the facts come out first. Somebody on my FB wall posted some link to this and you should see some of the comments, some of the people should get some visits for some of the things they posted, bunch of nuts.

Since me and RaiderGirl like polls, here's another one for you:

The latest battleground states polls, 27 total polls.

Obama leading in 20 polls
Romney leading in 5 polls
Tied in 2

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytime...-electoral-college-firewall-holding-in-polls/

Everything out there is pointing to an Obama win and I don't see anything changing in the next 5 days. You copying and pasting more nonsense off of some red state blogs, isn't going to change any of that either.
 
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Interview on Glen Beck points out the connection between Lybia-Al Quedia-FSA-Syria and BENGAZI
http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/10/22...ma-administration-let-ambassador-stevens-die/

"Stevens was tasked with helping to coordinate U.S. assistance to the rebels, whose top military commander, Abdelhakim Belhadj, was the leader of the Al Qaeda affiliate, the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group (LIFG). That means that Stevens was authorized by the U.S. Department of State and the Obama administration to aid and abet individuals and groups that were, at a minimum, allied ideologically with Al Qaeda, the jihadist terrorist organization that attacked the homeland on the first 9/11, the one that’s not supposed to exist anymore after the killing of its leader, Osama bin Laden, on May 2, 2011."
"“This has to be brought out. This has to be made known to the public. That this is going on and that our administration was not only working with the bad guys. Was working with Al Queda linked militas and jiihadis to overthrow Assad in Syria but that they let our mission go down. They let our ambassador and others die. In real time, watching it happen, and they didn’t do anything about it,” Lopez said."
This should have been Obama's "Watergate" or should I say "Benghazi-Gate". If the Benghazi terrorist attack and its tragic consequences were to have happened under Bush or any Republican President you can bet that the Lame Stream Media would be relentlessly attacking the President like a pack of wolves, but because he's their :xf.love: "Chosen One" they cover up these Obama/Clinton/Rice lies, misinformation and incompetence.

They know perfectly well the consequences that this story could have on the elections.

Instead they and the Liberal sheeple talk about Romney's Tax returns, Bain Capital, Binders Full of Women, Horses and Bayonets, Jeeps to China and now how wonderful a job Obama did during Hurricane Sandy and how "Presidential" he acted. WOW!!

The Liberal Media actually discovered that Obama knows how to be Presidential when confronted with a massive storm? How about the rest of the time? He's also become a pretty good golf player in the past 4 years. Is that supposed to be Presidential?

Everything else between his "Golf" and "Sandy" has been a "Load of Malarkey"

Oh I almost forgot; Obama got Osama, Nobody else did that. :notme: It was Obama who got him. Right?
 
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Glenn Beck vs. David Icke

Who wins.
 
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Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, but teach him how to steal the fish of others through the voting process, and you feed him for a lifetime.

:lol: Amazing!!!... That's precisely what Bronco Bama and the Democrats have done in the past 4 years. They've been feeding them with food stamps and cell phones for life.

And you're suggesting another 4 years of the same Malarkey? D-:

Here's a surprising and interesting article showing that two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years in office :o

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/31/two-thirds-of-jobs-go-to-immigrants/
 
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:lol: Amazing!!!... That's precisely what Bronco Bama and the Democrats have done in the past 4 years. They've been feeding them with food stamps and cell phones for life.

And you're suggesting another 4 years of the same Malarkey? D-:

Here's a surprising and interesting article showing that two-thirds of jobs go to immigrants during Obama’s four years in office :o

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/oct/31/two-thirds-of-jobs-go-to-immigrants/

Vs a guy who's yet to lay out a plan of substance. Romney's grand plan is to save money for taxpayers on one hand while the other hand takes it back.

As for jobs going to immigrants...you just admitted that some sort of job creation exists. Thanks :wave:
 
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