The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

"Then why claim I'm lying if you knew of the different rates and that 14.7% was one of them for the month of September? It could be only one of two things; You either DIDN'T know OR your a Liar yourself."

? I said it was 7.8% the one that's always used by everybody when talking about the Unemployment Rate, including your man Romney, so that's that one I'm using. You didn't like that it dropped under 8%, so you went to the other numbers. Still going down.

Here's a link to the other chart - http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm

Now compare Sept 2011 to Sep 2012. Um, which direction is it going? Since you have issues reading charts, I'll read it for you. Every one of those charts U-1 - U-6 are going back down. I wish this forum had some firework animated gifs I can surround that with, so you can see it better.

So yes, U-6 is now 14.7 but............ it was 16.4% a year ago. It's going...........DOWN.

"that caused drastic decreases in oil production.. "

Uh - "The facts show, and President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney agree, that U.S. production of oil and gas has increased over the past four years."

"You cant respond to the FACTS "Are we better off than 4 years" so instead you try to detract from it and want to go back 12 years to re-visit 8 years of Bush.. Seriously, where's the intellectual honesty?"

I actually did already, maybe you forgot, like you forgot how bad it was 4 years ago. Read it and weep (again) - http://www.namepros.com/4391496-post517.html

Again recovery > recession. I guess you forgot what it was like when Obama took office, I haven't. It's better now. I posted charts, you took a 2 1/2 break from this thread. Intellectual honesty? That would be telling the whole truth. And I just showed you how food stamps jumped under Bush and was going up when Obama took office. What part of leveling off now do you fail to comprehend?

lol at you talking about Gallup polls. Do you know what the electoral college is? And electors elect the President, not some Gallup poll.

As I said, you're posting again after almost 2 1/2 weeks. We went over a lot of the stuff you're bringing up now. Either catch up or bring something new to the table. Not the tired old arguments you lift from the red state blogs.

Every electoral map out there has Obama winning.

 

[RaiderGirl]

You didn't like that it dropped under 8%,

Do you have a crystal ball?, Of course I like it when the rate drops, it's far less people out of work, good for them, good for the economy. What I don't like is taking the unemployed who stopped looking for work OFF the unemployment roles to fool Americans into believing we have true job growth.

It's going...........DOWN

Yes, it's gone down and then up, down and up for not 1 or 2 or 3, but 4 FOUR straight years, NO steady sign of recovery whatsover. And when it goes down, Obama and drones like yourself try to convince us Obama's policies are working, But when it goes UP, it's all Bush's fault and look at the mess we inherited... Never taking responsibility when things go bad, always blaming somebody or something else for his FAILED reckless policies of tax, spend and regulate. That's what helps create jobs right?.

Uh - "The facts show, and President Barack Obama and his Republican challenger Mitt Romney agree, that U.S. production of oil and gas has increased over the past four years."

UH, it seems you have a reading problem, I clearly noted Oil production was DOWN on Federal land,
http://blog.heritage.org/2012/01/18/under-obama-oil-and-gas-production-on-federal-lands-is-down-40/

So why does Obama deserve credit for Oil Production on PRIVATE land? Maybe you can explain that to me.

It's like when he touts how many jobs he helped create, but never actually telling us it's PUBLIC sector jobs he's creating which only ADDS to the problem of borrowing $4 Billion a day. http://www.politifact.com/florida/s...marco-rubio-says-leaders-borrowing-4-billion/


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The National Debt in October 2008 was $10.5 Trillion
The National Debt in October 2012 is now $16.2 Trillion

National average price for a gallon of gas in October 2008;, about a $1.80
National average price for a gallon of gas in October 2012;, about a $4.21

National Unemployment rate (U-3) in October 2008; 6.5
National Unemployment rate (U-3) in October 2012; 7.8

Total number of Americans unemployed in 2008; 14 Million
Total number of Americans unemployed today in 2012; Over 22 Million... (OH, but that cant be, Obama created 5 Million private sector jobs LMAO!)

Number of Americans on Food Stamps in Dec. 2008; 31.5 Million
Number of Americans on Food Stamps in Sept. 2012; 47 Million

Not to mention slow GDP growth, higher FOOD costs, Higher energy costs and a far less optimistic future.

It's better now.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Those super tolerant adult Liberals booing the 9 year old girl don't care too much about "liberty and equality".... or am I wrong?

I went to a Halloween party this Saturday and this boy who was about the same age starts spouting off at how great Obama is, he was 9, maybe 10 yrs old and wearing a Ganster costume with a Machine Gun.. I asked him why he likes Obama so much, his answer was Mitt Romney doesn't care about people and he's going to take all our rights away, I asked; Who told you that? "My Dad"

Typical Liberal a-hole brainwashing his kid with misinformation, Let's hope the kid develops a mind of his own when he moves out of Mom and Dads home.

"I am still not sure how people who are against any abortion because "all life is sacred" can be pro death penalty. That is a human making a judgement on another human and taking their life."
Yep

Maybe it's because people on death row are all murderers.


I think a better question is; Why are Pro abortionists for killing a innocent child and then saving the life of a murderer like Ted Bundy who kllled 35 innocent Woman?

"Kill the innocent, Protect the guilty".

One of the many reasons why I'm not a Liberal.

That is a human making a judgement on another human and taking their life.

I couldn't of described Abortion anymore perfectly than you've done here, Thank you.

 

[JB Lions]

"Yes, it's gone down and then up, down and up for not 1 or 2 or 3, but 4 FOUR straight years, NO steady sign of recovery whatsover."

So first you use the regular Unemployment Rate, then it drops under 8, then you go U-6, until I point out that's dropped as well, then you post that. It is actually steady, but again, you can't handle reading a chart. It's clearly trending down and you don't like that because that's called a good sign.

"UH, it seems you have a reading problem, I clearly noted Oil production was DOWN on Federal land,"

Yes, I saw that, but you were using that as a reason for oil production being down overall, when in fact it's up. Romney even knows this. At least you do too now. Unemployment going down, oil production up. I also find it funny you talking about oil production being down on Federal land, I thought a true Conservative would actually like that, less dependent on the government or is it more like Romney and that video I posted earlier. The one where he likes to take credit for saving the Olympics, when it was really all that government money.

"It's like when he touts how many jobs he helped create, but never actually telling us it's PUBLIC sector jobs he's creating which only ADDS to the problem of borrowing $4 Billion a day."

Again demonstrating you can't read a chart. It's chart #6 - http://www.namepros.com/4391496-post517.html

Everybody reading this thread can see it, why do you have trouble reading charts? So, that's yet more nonsense you posted, that just isn't factual.

Facts, the enemy of the right. Have to go find some bumper sticker to get a view.

Wanted to add, about Obama's momentum into the election, true momentum, not false hope Republican momentum - http://electoralmap.net/2012/intrade.php

Obama just gained in that map.

How about Mitt's Lie Of The Day.

About shifting Jeep production from North America to China. Mitt has an ad saying this......except, it's another one of Mitt's lies.

Chrysler themselves, on their own blog, says so - http://blog.chryslerllc.com/blog.do?id=1932&p=entry

Pathetic. Hopefully Ohio has some media that will actually tell the truth and his lying backfires on him.

 

[GILSAN]

May Joe Biden live for many more years so we can all have our daily dose of laughter :tu:! :lol:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUh6_koE7z8"]Biden vs. Biden - YouTube[/ame]

:lol: :tu:

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I went to a Halloween party this Saturday and this boy who was about the same age starts spouting off at how great Obama is, he was 9, maybe 10 yrs old and wearing a Ganster costume with a Machine Gun.. I asked him why he likes Obama so much, his answer was Mitt Romney doesn't care about people and he's going to take all our rights away, I asked; Who told you that? "My Dad"

Typical Liberal a-hole brainwashing his kid with misinformation, Let's hope the kid develops a mind of his own when he moves out of Mom and Dads home.

WOW! How low can Liberals go? Booing 9 year old girls or creating despicable Ads like the one below by brainwashing children with lies and misconceptions.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5fH3np1jsw"]Pro Obama Ad Has Children Singing About America 'Sick People Just Die' 'Gays Can Be Fixed' - YouTube[/ame]

This Ad should be shown all over the country for the next 7 days so that everyone could see what today's Liberalism is all about.

 

[verbster]

WOW! How low can Liberals go? Booing 9 year old girls or creating despicable Ads like the one below by brainwashing children with lies and misconceptions.

Pro Obama Ad Has Children Singing About America 'Sick People Just Die' 'Gays Can Be Fixed' - YouTube

This Ad should be shown all over the country for the next 7 days so that everyone could see what today's Liberalism is all about.

Do you know who put the ad out?

You and others constantly disparage the term “liberals”: You call them “a-holes’ and brainwashers and all kinds of low-life derogatory crap. Why is it you feel the need to do that?

I’ve asked you before to tell me what you think “liberalism” is . . . what it stands for, but for some reason, you won’t. I’m not being contentious; I’d just really like to know what it is that “liberals” do that makes you so passionately anti-liberal. And if you do decide to tell me, please don’t include the party line junk. I’d like to read your personal descriptions and reasons.

I asked him why he likes Obama so much, his answer was Mitt Romney doesn't care about people and he's going to take all our rights away, I asked; Who told you that? "My Dad"

Typical Liberal a-hole brainwashing his kid with misinformation, Let's hope the kid develops a mind of his own when he moves out of Mom and Dads home.

Misinformation? You mean like Obama's going to take away all the guns?"

How is this little boy any more brainwashed than the nine year old girl who is pro-Romney? They were both influenced by their parents, so why call the young boy’s dad a liberal “a-hole” but not apply the same standards to the girl? Is her mom a conservative “a-hole” for sharing her views with her daughter, or do you think the little girl already has a mind of her own?

 

[GILSAN]

You and others constantly disparage the term “liberals”: You call them “a-holes’ and brainwashers and all kinds of low-life derogatory crap. Why is it you feel the need to do that?

I’ve asked you before to tell me what you think “liberalism” is . . . what it stands for, but for some reason, you won’t. I’m not being contentious; I’d just really like to know what it is that “liberals” do that makes you so passionately anti-liberal. And if you do decide to tell me, please don’t include the party line junk. I’d like to read your personal descriptions and reasons.

My posts and many of the videos I put up show what Liberalism is all about. I don't need to go through that again. The 9 year old getting booed, the latest ad featuring children singing a brainwashed song. These are great examples of today's Liberalism.

Here's another example: The super liberal Michael Moore's video Ad that features dirty-mouthed old people lambasting Republicans and Romney :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=f17fWth3YgA

Yea, Liberals are experts at putting out this garbage :td:

 

[RaiderGirl]

It's clearly trending down

Was it clearly trending down when the rate shot up to 10.2%? that was in Nov of 2009, wheres the chart showing that one? I learned a long time ago that anyone can produce a chart to convey a different message, either by changing dates or changing what's measured, And anyone can cherry pick a chart, I can find charts from the BLS site that are less favorable to the argument your making, where you intentionally try to deceive the reader.

What I want to know is what happened to Obama's claim that unemployment would not exceed 8% if we passed the $787 Billion dollar stimulus?

What's most interesting is the new unemployment rate for October, the number was due to be released this Friday but Obama shut down the Dept of Labor for the sole purpose of DELAYING the release until after the election, This from our "Transparent" President.

How is this little boy any more brainwashed than the nine year old girl who is pro-Romney? They were both influenced by their parents, so why call the young boy’s dad a liberal “a-hole” but not apply the same standards to the girl? Is her mom a conservative “a-hole” for sharing her views with her daughter, or do you think the little girl already has a mind of her own?

This has nothing to do with "Views" but has everything to do with downright ignorance, I find it interesting to see a child as young as 9 interested in politics, and you would think for someone who's going to school and is interested they would at least have a logical reason for supporting the most incompetent president in our history.

I'm confident that if I were to ask a 9 or 10 year old why they support Romney, they would at the very least provide a logical reason why, not bashing the opposition but providing reasons like Jobs, the National debt or Abortion.... But to answer your question if the roles were reversed, and the 9 year old conservative displayed the same level of ignorance from their parents, then YES, I would say his parents are conservative a-holes.

 

[JB Lions]

Was it clearly trending down when the rate shot up to 10.2%? that was in Nov of 2009, wheres the chart showing that one?

You're just making yourself look silly at this point. Trending down when it's going up? That doesn't even make sense. Going from 10% down to 7.8%, yes, that's going down, duh.

See that lil squiggly line? Where does it look like it's going to you?

 

[DU]

My posts and many of the videos I put up show what Liberalism is all about.

Most of the videos are junk and substitute for you having to express a real opinion.

A lot of the "conservative" views that are being debated are actually very criticized by the "conservative" Ron Paul, who you admire. There's a difference between social and fiscal conservativism and you can actually be pro one and anti the other. But - you know - it's hard to have to explain some positions and easier to show the non-biased YouTube media to show what we want.

Yea, Liberals are experts at putting out this garbage :td:

I tend to think that judging a generalized group with little real definition ("liberal") through the actions of one individual movie maker is rather a lazy approach to expressing an opinion.

Maybe it's because people on death row are all murderers.

Answering a question with a question is no answer at all.

I'm confident that if I were to ask a 9 or 10 year old why they support Romney, they would at the very least provide a logical reason why, not bashing the opposition but providing reasons like Jobs, the National debt or Abortion....

I'm glad that today's conservative 9 year olds have an understanding of the National Debt, Jobs and Abortion. These are important issues for a 9 year old to understand in their daily lives. I don't suppose they learn about this in school.. I doubt abortion comes up during the first attempts a long division in the 4th grade. They do learn about jobs because that's, after all, why they learn their times tables: to make sure that they don't waste that hard earned income from doing chores. I think that $5 or,whatever the going rate is, is plenty to help them understand benefits, 401K, pensions, benefits, wage laws, taxes, etc.etc.

As far as the debt? To be honest, I'm surprised a 9 year old can count as high as trillions - regardless of how we got there. I think even I may need a scientific calculator. The children clearly can't get most of their information from the mass media... that's all clearly liberal brainwashing as has been pointed out... so I'm at a loss and hoping you can help.

Pray tell, where do most 9 year old critical thinking human beings get their accurate non-partisan information on abortion, jobs and the national debt these days?

Maybe PBS or Sesame street?

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Interesting article... but he's probably been brainwashed by the popular kids at school into rebelling...

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0712/78068.html

Shows more smarts than most people regardless of whether he's left leaning or right leaning.

 

[RaiderGirl]

You're just making yourself look silly at this point. Trending down when it's going up? That doesn't even make sense. Going from 10% down to 7.8%, yes, that's going down, duh.

If you didn't get it the first time, your not going to get it a second, so I wont my time... I'll post in simpler terms you can understand; I don't dispute the FALSE numbers are trending down, OK?

BLS made a decision back in 1994 not to count people who stopped looking for work, and during the last 4 years the BLS removed an estimated 6 MILLION Americans from the unemployment roles, the result: LOWER Unemployment rate with charts too boot.

When Romney said in the debates the "REAL unemployment rate was close to 11%, he was exactly correct on this point...

The unemployment rate in Jan 2009 when Obama was sworn in was 7.8%, the same as it is now in September, but yet we have 7 Million more Americans unemployed today since he took office, 6 million of which are NOT being counted, How do they survive? many retired early, for others that haven't, many are living on Government assistance, one of the reasons why the work requirement was removed from people collecting unemployment, because when you look for work, YOUR COUNTED.

It's such a con, and it's all being done to help Obama win re-election.

And here we have JBLions, your typical Obama drone trying to convince us with all his charts the unemployment rate is trending down, that 6 Million Americans dropped off the face of the earth, and that 1 Million more entering the job market don't exist.

By all estimations the REAL unemployment rate is 10% to 11%, this according to many economist's.

This from 12/09/2012
Forbes

Don't Be Fooled, The Obama Unemployment Rate Is 11%

When Barack Obama entered office in January, 2009, the labor force participation rate was 65.7%, meaning nearly two-thirds of working age Americans were working or looking for work.

When the recession supposedly officially ended in June, 2009, the labor force participation rate was still 65.7%

In the latest, much celebrated, unemployment report, the labor force participation rate had plummeted to 63.7%, the most rapid decline in U.S. history. That means that under President Obama nearly 5 million Americans have fled the workforce in hopeless despair.

The trick is that when those 5 million are not counted as in the work force, they are not counted as unemployed either. They may desperately need and want jobs. They may be in poverty, as many undoubtedly are, with America suffering today more people in poverty than in the entire half century the Census Bureau has been counting poverty. But they are not even counted in that 8.3% unemployment rate that Obama and his media cheerleaders were so tirelessly celebrating last week.

If they were counted, the unemployment rate today would be a far more realistic 11%, better reflecting the suffering in the real economy under Obamanomics.

MORE >>>

 

[JB Lions]

Wow, all that typing for nothing. I guess you forgot Romney was using 8% in his ads, in his closing at the debates etc. It's the number used, that's why Romney was using it. Save yourself from typing anymore about this and try something more relevant.

What number did he say?? 1 minute mark?? I'll quote it for you - "We've had 43 straight months with unemployment above 8%"

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqd31fI1nN0"]Romney Closes Out First Presidential Debate - YouTube[/ame]

"trying to convince us with all his charts the unemployment rate is trending down"

lol, oh brother. 7.8 < 10. You know, elementary school kids can get this, why do you struggle? That you would actually try to debate a fact, is ridiculous. If somebody steps on the scale to weigh themselves and it's 200 one week. 2 weeks later it's 190. 2 months later it's 175. I would say that person is losing weight, RaiderGirl would actually argue with me telling me I'm wrong.

 

[Theo Goodman]

Well its true, allmost all countries fudge the unemployment rate. There are all kinds of ways to do it but basicly not counting people for this or that reason is the main one. So perhaps the rate has gone down, but that is just one unemployment rate and not the "real" unemployment rate.This is not new and happened and will happen under democrats or republicans. There are not so many MAJOR differences between Bush Obama or Rmoney in policy.

 

[RaiderGirl]

I guess you forgot Romney was using 8% in his ads, in his closing at the debates etc. It's the number used, that's why Romney was using it. Save yourself from typing anymore about this and try something more relevant.

Yes, 7.8 or 8% is or was the official rate, I wasn't referring to the official rate in my post but of course you know that, so you intentionally distort it like any empty minded Liberal would do.

Let's see how WRONG you are; (again)

This from the first debate with Jim Lehrer, which coincides almost exactly with what I posted;


“If the unemployment rate was 7.8 percent when he took office, it's 7.8 percent now, but if you calculated that unemployment rate, taking back the people who dropped out of the workforce, it would be 10.7 percent. We have not made the progress we need to make to put people back to work." ~ Mitt Romney


7 MILLION people dropped out of the workforce in the last 4 years under Obama, and you treat this number like it's some kind of joke, just like you do on the issue of Abortion, that it's not a LIFE but a "Thing" we can throw in the garbage at 1 month or 9 months, doesn't matter.

7 MILLION Jobs is NOT just a number JB, it's 7 MILLION people, many of which who's lives are in ruins, many homeless and on Government assistance, and instead of reacting to the hardship of these people, you debate like a 10 year old, "Look at my chart" or "Obama is going to win, you wait and see Raider"

But this is my favorite;

lol at you talking about Gallup polls. Do you know what the electoral college is? And electors elect the President, not some Gallup poll."

This line alone truly shows what a dunce you are... When you consider Romney is up by as much as 5 points in the National polls of likely voters and it HOLDS until election day, it's almost inconceivable to think Obama who's 5 points down can win the electorial, If you can point me to ONE Presidential election where that happened, I'll conceive your correct that polls really don't matter.

Even with Carter and Reagan, As far down as Reagan was leading up to November, Reagan managed to pull ahead of Carter by 3 points in the final days of the election.... I doubt if we'll see a landslide victory, a clear and decisive victory YES, and it will go to whoever is ahead by 3 or more points in the national average of polls.

 

[JB Lions]

Ugh, haha, yes Electoral College. You must have short memory or something. I guess you forgot Gore winning the popular vote but losing the election to Bush. Electoral College. At this point, every Electoral Map prediction has Obama winning, along with every major betting outlet, Intrade etc. You know Intrade, who's been 98% accurate last 2 elections - http://electoralmap.net/2012/intrade.php

Even Real Clear Polictics Electoral Map, Obama. Or Nate Silver, feel free to Google how accurate he was.

So I realize it looks bad for you right now, and you try to gleam some hope over some recent popular vote polls, which happen to be swinging right back to Obama just in time.

5 points? Let's see - http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Average 0.8 for Romney, not 5, and it was higher. As I said, it's swinging back to Obama now.

Romney messed up this last week. First, straight up lying about Jeep production going overseas, not a good look. And then acting like he's never dealt with a natural disaster before and having some PTA food drive, when it's usually money, water and blood that's needed.

6 more days, enjoy.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-Lzvse7QGk"]Thirty Seconds to Name All of Mitt Romney's Massachusetts Taxes and Fees - YouTube[/ame]

It's funny watching some of the Republican debates, they all see him for the fraud he is.

 

[eyedomainous]

RaiderGirl, saying Obama is the most incompetent President in history is strong evidence your basic critical thinking skills are lacking.

Ignoring the fact that Obama stopped the country from bleeding jobs, and saved industries in order to save jobs, so you can complain that he hasn't created enough new jobs fast enough, removes all doubt. Your thought process is unemployed, and has stopped looking for work.:o

Seriously, any discussion about unemployment that does not put the rate in context with the massive number of monthly job losses when the recession began, in 2007. And also does not consider the number of jobs saved, is not a very credible discussion.

The Recovery Act may not have created as many jobs as projected, in part because the Republican congress and the Obama Jobs Bill became a political collision, but there is no doubt the stimulus and bail-outs, of the auto industry and major banks, saved millions of jobs.

 

[GILSAN]

7 MILLION people dropped out of the workforce in the last 4 years under Obama, and you treat this number like it's some kind of joke, just like you do on the issue of Abortion, that it's not a LIFE but a "Thing" we can throw in the garbage at 1 month or 9 months, doesn't matter.

7 MILLION Jobs is NOT just a number JB, it's 7 MILLION people, many of which who's lives are in ruins, many homeless and on Government assistance, and instead of reacting to the hardship of these people, you debate like a 10 year old, "Look at my chart" or "Obama is going to win, you wait and see Raider"

Trying to convince Liberals about the obvious point you made about The 7 million people who no longer make part of the unemployment statistics is an exercise in futility. :zzz:

Even a blind person could see that, but, Liberals carry blinders which diminishes their range of vision considerably. They can't help it it, because they've been brainwashed for too long by the Liberal Media and the Hollyweird crowd.

RaiderGirl said: "BLS made a decision back in 1994 not to count people who stopped looking for work"
which means it was Bill Clinton who had this brilliant idea to cook the unemployment numbers to the benefit of the government

SamJones said: "Well its true, allmost all countries fudge the unemployment rate. There are all kinds of ways to do it but basicly not counting people for this or that reason is the main one"
Couldn't agree with you more... now try and convince JB Lions of that simple statement. Maybe he will listen to you.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Ugh, haha, yes Electoral College. You must have short memory or something. I guess you forgot Gore winning the popular vote but losing the election to Bush. Electoral College. At this point, every Electoral Map prediction has Obama winning, along with every major betting outlet, Intrade etc. You know Intrade, who's been 98% accurate last 2 elections -

Again that's not what I asked, I'll post it again, maybe bigger letters will help;


When you consider Romney is up by as much as 5 points in the National polls of likely voters and it HOLDS until election day, it's almost inconceivable to think Obama who's 5 points down can win the electorial, If you can point me to ONE Presidential election where that happened, I'll conceive your correct that polls really don't matter.

This went to your ridiculous claim that polls don't matter, And FYI, Bush/Gore were virtually tied in most polls in 2000 near election day, I think Gallup had Bush up by 2 points a day or two prior to the election, and we had one of the closest races in history.

Still waiting for an answer.

Ignoring the fact that Obama stopped the country from bleeding jobs, and saved industries in order to save jobs, so you can complain that he hasn't created enough new jobs fast enough, removes all doubt. Your thought process is unemployed, and has stopped looking for work.:o

Show us how your process works, How did Obama stop jobs from bleeding? What policies exactly did he put in place to slow down unemployment? I'm truly interested.

And I stand by my comment that Obama is the most incompetent President in our history, I don't know of one other President who added $5.5 TRILLION dollars in debt in less than 4 years and is responsible for the slowest job recovery since the great depression, do you?

Trying to convince Liberals about the obvious point you made about The 7 million people who no longer make part of the unemployment statistics is an exercise in futility. :zzz:

Even a blind person could see that, but, Liberals carry blinders which diminishes their range of vision considerably. They can't help it it, because they've been brainwashed for too long by the Liberal Media and the Hollyweird crowd.

Your right, you cant convince a Liberal of anything, I learned a long time ago that Liberals are the most intellectually dishonest people on the planet, I think the reason I do it is because I like watching them implode.

 

[GILSAN]

I have to admit that Obama is quite consistent... in consistently making false promises.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fZgQhnNRSuw

The only real change in 2012 is when Obama and Michele start packing their bags next week and go take some time off to write some more books in either Chicago or Hawaii.... oh, almost forgot; to improve his golf game as well. :]

 

[JB Lions]

"When you consider Romney is up by as much as 5 points in the National polls of likely voters"

I just literally gave you a link, showing it was 0.8 average and getting smaller. You're just like Fox. The other day I was checking out the top Political story saying some poll had him up my 7, linking to an article having him up by 5, then saying Romney was up in an Electoral Map for the first time, linking to a Real Clear Politics Electoral Map showing Obama was ahead, Romney was never. 2 straight up lies in one article. It's like a disease with you guys.

I see another close contest besides the Presidential one. Who can out crazy the other person. RaiderGirl is now giving Gilsan a run for his money.

"And I stand by my comment that Obama is the most incompetent President in our history"

And that commnent has made you the most incompetent poster the last few days.

He's done a good job with what he was handed, with obstructionist Republicans whose main goal was to make him a 1 term President. Even ole Rush is now getting nervous, talking about the weather gods have it in for Obama. I feel sorry for the moderate Republicans stuck in that party, with all the whackos in it. If it's not one day a Republican talking about how slavery was good, to another saying rape babies was God's intention and other dumb stuff about rape. This election will start to change some of that.

As far as your ramblings about charts. Charts are nothing but a visual presentation of the facts. Makes it easier to see those facts. I can understand why you would have a problem with that.