The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

Debate Polls

CBS News
Who won the debate
Obama - 53%
Romney - 23%
Tie - 24%

More trusted to handle an international crisis
Obama - 71%
Romney - 49%

CNN - registered voters, debate watchers (who tend to be more Republican)
Obama - 48%
Romney - 40%

Public Policy Polling
Swing state voters say Obama won the debate 53-42, and are planning to vote for him 51-45

 

[verbster]

If either candidate would have talked normally, and not from memorized scripts, it would have produced a clear winner for me. I truly expected more from two intelligent, informed politicians. A few times each, I thought both did fairly well. Romney scored well with his list of "What you said you'd do, but didn't." But when he knew the question about cutting taxes yet still balancing the budget was coming for the third time, and still had no answer ("Go to my web page and find out"), that sunk him.

 

[JB Lions]

That horses and bayonet line, they obviously had that one ready to go, and a site (just a landing page, forwarded to Obama's site) - http://www.cavalrymenforromney.com/

 

[GILSAN]

That horses and bayonet line, they obviously had that one ready to go, and a site (just a landing page, forwarded to Obama's site) - http://www.cavalrymenforromney.com/

:O :lol: :lol: Where the hell did you discover this?

 

[JB Lions]

:O :lol: :lol: Where the hell did you discover this?

Saw it on this forum - http://www.the-coli.com/1923811-post909.html

Also in the Intrade comments - http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474

Lots of good stuff in there usually.

Might as well throw in a couple of other bookmarks I check out daily

All the polls in one place
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/us/general_election_romney_vs_obama-1171.html

Nate Silver - FiveThirtyEight Blog, good stuff there too
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/author/nate-silver/

Of course it's always about the Electoral College and what I posted about before, 98% accurate last 2 elections:
http://electoralmap.net/2012/intrade.php

And what I mentioned before, the importance of Ohio:
"by the fact that no Republican has ever been elected President without winning Ohio"

Right now, that's leaning Obama. Overall, pretty tight race.

Look at this clown:
Donald Trump claims Barack Obama bombshell

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82701.html?hp=r3

 

[enlytend]

Romney couldn't be more corrupt...

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/1...as-oklahoma-washington-and-colorado-on-nov-6/

Looks bad, regardless. If I were running for office and running a clean campaign, I wouldn't want my friends and family doing anything that might be interpreted as fraud, but that's me ...

Lots of similarities in their foreign policies

everything Obama said, Romney came back with "me too!"

 

[RogueWriter]

Romney couldn't be more corrupt...

http://www.pensitoreview.com/2012/1...as-oklahoma-washington-and-colorado-on-nov-6/

Obama has taken at least $120,000 in donations from Bain this time around, so what is your point? If they wanted to cheat the system, the first thing they would have done is not donate money to Obama in the first place.

It's not like they just found an extra couple hundred votes in the trunk of a car or something.

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You can always be more corrupt.

Look at Tricky Dick Nixon and Haliburton Dick Cheney

You skipped right over Dollar Bill, I see. :P

 

[GILSAN]

Of course it's always about the Electoral College

And what I mentioned before, the importance of Ohio:
"by the fact that no Republican has ever been elected President without winning Ohio"

Right now, that's leaning Obama. Overall, pretty tight race.

Why do the rest of the States bother to vote when Ohio seems to be the all important State.

Why not save the country billions and almost 2 years of campaigning, when only Ohio will find the winner. How about letting Ohio become a separate independent country so that the rest of the states in the US can have equal importance.

Yes I know, it's all because of the Electoral College.

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everything Obama said, Romney came back with "me too!"

US Foreign Policy has always been mostly similar regardless of weather its a Republican or Democrat in office, so its obvious they would agree on many points.

I keep hearing that Republicans are war mongers, but so are Democrats. Look at Vietnam as an example; Kennedy sent some advisers? and Johnson escalated it into the worst war since WW2 for the US, Clinton also got involved in Bosnia, the Bushes in Iraq etc. etc

The US has been in one war or another, practically non stop since the Korean War, so its easy to conclude that both Republicans and Democrats are war mongers. Either that, or you can blame it on the powerful US Military Industrial Complex. Take your pick

 

[Theo Goodman]

It was "terrorists" that happen to be jihadists from Monarchies that support womans rights and come from US allies. In the meantime patroits that didnt like that we overthrew their socialist leader decided to kill the ammbasdor but get called jihadist.

 

[JB Lions]

Another one of those World Polls, Obama getting 21/22 countries, only Pakistan likes Mitt better:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ies-strongly-prefer-obama-exception-pakistan/

All of our Allies, the countries to the immediate North and South of us, Canada and Mexico for Obama. At least there's some hope in the world.

 

[GILSAN]

Another one of those World Polls, Obama getting 21/22 countries, only Pakistan likes Mitt better:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ies-strongly-prefer-obama-exception-pakistan/

All of our Allies, the countries to the immediate North and South of us, Canada and Mexico for Obama. At least there's some hope in the world.

Two main reasons for that; Firstly most people around the world haven't the foggiest idea who Romney is and if they do know him, it's mostly negative because the local media gets news feeds from news agencies like Associated Press, Reuters, Agence France-Presse etc. that are mostly left leaning, giving mostly negative reports about Romney and putting Obama on a pedestal. Just like what the Liberal MSM has done in the US.

Doesn't seem that Obama is very popular in Muslim countries, which are the main trouble spots of US Foreign Policy and even in Africa, where amazingly Bush was more popular than Obama.

The other reason is that Obama is already well known for the past 5 years, including winning a Nobel Peace Prize!! Whats amazing about this Prize he won is that he was nominated BEFORE he was elected President of the US That was the most politically correct Nobel winner EVER.

Mind you this years Nobel winner, the "European Union" was even more pathetic

 

[DU]

Firstly most people around the world haven't the foggiest idea who Romney is and if they do know him, it's mostly negative because the local media gets news feeds from news agencies like Associated Press, Reuters, Agence France-Presse etc. that are mostly left leaning, giving mostly negative reports about Romney and putting Obama on a pedestal. Just like what the Liberal MSM has done in the US.

It's a global conspiracy that everyone is in on except the general public.

 

[eyedomainous]

The history of voting rights in the U.S. is really a Catalog of Collisions between Liberals and Conservatives.

While the "founding fathers" were all liberals, in the context of their times... as wanting to separate from England, and govern with "one man, one vote", was so liberal it represented the most radical "New World" political fringe.

So while they were all liberals, their very conservative application of the 'one man, one vote' principle -where only 5% (the Protestant White Males) could vote, collided with the political realities of a New World... and created the Liberal>|<Conservative Divide.

After several centuries of front line collisions, I think its safe to say conservative 'voter suppression' efforts, "legally" and mechanically, are rear actions... though they are capable of stealing elections.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k57ARG7Kxg"]Voting>=<Rights[/ame]

 

[Theo Goodman]

The only reason that all those countries like Obama so much is because they know that they would lose to Rmoney in battleship

 

[Sabre]

Just heard there's an election on in the US - should be good fun.



Seriously though, I thought Obama would win it when the candidates were chosen and I still think he will.

Re: the World Polls - it's not suprising that Obama is winning these, when it comes to most foreign countries (like the UK) it largely boils down to charisma & Romney has the square root of eff all in that department. Obviously, foreign policy is a part of it too but for the average Joe its not as important.

 

[RogueWriter]

Obama needs a show stopper right now to change the momentum around, because I think Romney is going to edge him out in too many states.

Say, pulling Osama Bin Laden out of a closet somewhere and saying, "Heh, didn't really kill him, we've just been torturing him for more info about his command structure," that kind of thing.

Maybe a strike on Iran, or a strike in Libya on the guys that killed the ambassador would do.

Maybe he is just counting on the National Geographic special on the Bin Laden strike, two days before the election to turn the tide, but that is waiting awfully late.

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After several centuries of front line collisions, I think its safe to say conservative 'voter suppression' efforts, "legally" and mechanically, are rear actions... though they are capable of stealing elections.

You're not from Chicago, are you, lol.

 

[JB Lions]

So Trump's big bombshell was nothing, offering 5 million for Obama to release his college records.

Gloria Allred, something about Mitt lying under oath for one of his friends.

And yet another backwards Republican:

"Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock said pregnancies resulting from rape are part of God's plan, tearfully explaining that he only supports abortions when a mother's life is in danger.

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," Mourdock said"

These types really have no business in public office.

"Obama needs a show stopper right now to change the momentum around, because I think Romney is going to edge him out in too many states."

There is no momentum at this point, that's a tired campaign tactic. If you actually look at the battleground states, you'd see that - http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-says-hes-winning-its-a-bluff.html

He had some after the first debate, but that was stopped when he lost the next 2.

 

[Theo Goodman]

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," Mourdock said"

Yep , amazing!
I guess murder of all and any kind is just something that God inteneded to happen, for that life to end THEN, that was what god intendedtalk::o
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But you know what.... This is really what many people and many republicans think, its just that Mourdock came out and said it.
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The battleship, aircraft carrier and nuclear sub -baynett comments have yet to be topped. Maybe this is a distraction away from them.

 

[bmugford]

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," Mourdock said"

Yep , amazing!
I guess murder of all and any kind is just something that God inteneded to happen, for that life to end THEN, that was what god intendedtalk::o
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But you know what.... This is really what many people and many republicans think, its just that Mourdock came out and said it.
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The battleship, aircraft carrier and nuclear sub -baynett comments have yet to be topped. Maybe this is a distraction away from them.

So if a rape pregnancy is God's will, then how can Mourdock rule out abortion as God's will?

It is convenient how they play the religious card when it supports their position, and claim to know God's will.

If everything is "God's will" why are there courts, and judges?

I am still not sure how people who are against any abortion because "all life is sacred" can be pro death penalty. That is a human making a judgement on another human and taking their life.

Total hypocrisy.

Brad

 

[RogueWriter]

So Trump's big bombshell was nothing, offering 5 million for Obama to release his college records.

Gloria Allred, something about Mitt lying under oath for one of his friends.

And yet another backwards Republican:

"Indiana Republican Senate candidate Richard Mourdock said pregnancies resulting from rape are part of God's plan, tearfully explaining that he only supports abortions when a mother's life is in danger.

"I think even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen," Mourdock said"

These types really have no business in public office.

"Obama needs a show stopper right now to change the momentum around, because I think Romney is going to edge him out in too many states."

There is no momentum at this point, that's a tired campaign tactic. If you actually look at the battleground states, you'd see that - http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/10/romney-says-hes-winning-its-a-bluff.html

He had some after the first debate, but that was stopped when he lost the next 2.

Allred and Trump phhhhtttt much ado about nothing. Obama could raise five mil in one event, Trump would need to offer like a billion dollars to make it interesting.

I disagree about momentum.... Dems are giving up on NC, Virginia appears to be next. Hopefully Biden will spend the next to weeks at speaking engagements in Ohio, that would ensure a Republican victory, lol.