The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[RaiderGirl]

Take away a woman's right, ones they've had for about 40 years now. (abortion)

Do this include the "Right" for every women to KILL their unborn child, early or late term and not have to provide a reason why?

Does it include the "Right" of every Woman KILL their unborn child at the expense of the taxpayer? despite the overwhelming majority of tax payers against tax funded abortion?

Do this "Right" include 10 to 18 year old girls choosing to have an abortion, a surgical procedure with OUT the consent OR notification of either parent? If this happened to your 10 year daughter, you would be OK with it, in the name of her "Rights"?

Unlike you, I DON'T believe these are "Rights" And if you think your on the "Winning" side of this issue, you haven't been looking at the polls numbers in regard to abortion.


And wasn't it Obama who was opposed Gay Marriage up until this year when when his ATM was running low in Hollywood?

Where was the outcry from all you lefties about their "Rights" then?... And now that Obama reversed himself on it purely for CASH and "Political Gain" suddenly Mitt Romney is the prejudice one, the guy who wants to TAKE AWAY all your rights and the rights of Gays.

Who do you think your kidding?

 

[JB Lions]

Do this include the "Right" for every women to KILL their unborn child, early or late term and not have to provide a reason why?

Does it include the "Right" of every Woman KILL their unborn child at the expense of the taxpayer? despite the overwhelming majority of tax payers against tax funded abortion?

Do this "Right" include 10 to 18 year old girls choosing to have an abortion, a surgical procedure with OUT the consent of a parent?

If this happened to your 10 year daughter, you would be OK with it, in the name of her "Rights"?

Unlike you, I DON'T believe these are "Rights" And you think your on the "Winning" side of this issue, you haven't been looking at the polls numbers in regard to abortion.


And wasn't it Obama who was opposed Gay Marriage up until this year when when his ATM was running low in Hollywood?

Where was the outcry from all you lefties about their "Rights" then?... And now that Obama reversed himself on it purely for CASH and "Political Gain" suddenly Mitt Romney is the prejudice one, the guy who wants to TAKE AWAY all your rights and the rights of Gays.

Who do you think your kidding?

Again, with abortion, it's legal. Has been for 40 years. You want to go back and time and take away rights. Ultimately, the woman should decide what happens with her body.

As far as gay marriage, as I've said before. I think Obama was always ok with it, but he wanted to get elected. I said before this was a second term type of issue, until Biden said something. So now they're good with it. That's a good thing. And there was outcry from liberals about it, who are you trying to kid? They were always on him about it. The funny thing is, liberals don't consider Obama really liberal.

So yes, you are on the wrong side of it. RaiderGirl, where is this smaller government I keep hearing about? I thought the Conservatives were all about that? But not for what we're talking about here, right?

 

[GILSAN]

Well, that's where his dad was born - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

That's who she was talking about. It's called context. Notice they're only showing 8 seconds of the video, not what came before it? I guess maybe the Right don't know how to Google? Or maybe you don't know what a birth certificate is? But birthers are pretty amusing and useful. Scare away the normal people, undecided vote.

Yeah I Know all about that. Did you ever see me write on this or other threads that Obama was born anywhere else other than Hawaii? No you haven't. so this is not an issue for me. Neither is the fact that his dad abandoned him when he was 2. That's not Obama's fault. Neither is the fact that his father was married to several women. That's not an issue either because it was not Obama's fault that his dad was a womanizer.

Oh and BTW neither is the fact that Romney's great great grandfather was married to several women in Mexico. That's not Mitt's fault. Occasionally you come on here with a completely wrong perception of how I think.

Moving on to the economy, I just read this article, which talks about several of the things that I mentioned on my post #385 earlier today, about Ben Bernanke's decision to start printing money indefinitely, trying to give the American economy a false boost to help Obama in the elections:

US Credit Rating Cut by Egan-Jones ... Again

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49037337

:O :O :O

 

[JB Lions]

Let me copy and paste a comment from that article, sums up what I feel on that:

"who cut the US rating???? who are those guys, and who cares on what they do??"

On that other stuff, that's good, except it's not the first time you posted that video:

http://www.namepros.com/764342-the-nps-official-usa-political-thread-10.html#post4370347

But if you're truly not a birther, that's a good thing. Those people are just a pack of nuts.

 

[GILSAN]

Why You Can Not Vote Barack Hussein Obama For President 2012

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwnhnag23pQ&feature=related"]Why You Can Not Vote Barack Hussein Obama For President 2012 Pat Condell - YouTube[/ame]

:kickass: This guy certainly doesn't mince his words! :bingo:

 

[Theo Goodman]

Gay marrage would stimulate the economy and create jobs. Why is the goverment in the bedroom, sounds like big goverment.

Where is the outcry?
Does the issue with tax money include the "Right" for smartbombs, drones and bullets to KILL men, women and their unborn child, and not have to provide a reason why the "smart" bomb or drone missed the target. (terrorists of course)

Does it include the "Right" of the goverment to KILL at the expense of the taxpayer? despite the overwhelming majority of tax payers against tax funded world war?

Do this "Right" include 0 to 110 year old people choosing to have live, in the wrong country and be a victom of a drone strike while gathering fire wood? If this happened to your 10 year daughter, you would be OK with it, in the name of "spreading democracy"?

Prolifers defend "life" when it is in a womb in the USA otherwise its not worth the time of day. They think they are on the "Winning" side defending life and killing terrorists, you haven't been looking at the polls numbers in regard to war.


And wasn't it Obama who was opposed Gay Marriage up until this year when when his ATM was running low in Hollywood? -what a good tactic , isnt this what we need? Business people that know how to raise money and manipulate people, bravo! Great way to play both sides of the issue to get the cash.

Where was the outcry from all you lefties, righties, librtarians and pro life activists about human death at the hand of the USA?...
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And now that Obama reversed himself on it purely for CASH and "Political Gain" suddenly Mitt Romney is the prejudice one, the guy who wants to TAKE AWAY all your rights and the rights of Gays.-- Yep looks like the democrats are better at spinning this particular point, it happens. Allthough we should always remember our fundimental fair arguement lesson "whatever the repulicans do bad, the democrats ALLWAYS do it worse. "

Who do you think your kidding? ???
USA more prisoners per capita than Commuinst China under both parties, no outcry. Nobody cares, and prisons create jobs.

 

[RaiderGirl]

Again, with abortion, it's legal. Has been for 40 years. You want to go back and time and take away rights. Ultimately, the woman should decide what happens with her body.

Her body? Don't you mean the baby growing inside of her body?. I find it pathetic how liberals like yourself hide behind the FACT that it's a living human being who's life your taking away... And your perfectly comfortable with it, you act like it's no different than having a breast reduction.

So yes, you are on the wrong side of it. RaiderGirl,

How do you figure? Your on the side of late term abortion and parental notification, Your on the side of killing a child in a Womens 2nd and 3rd trimester, Your on the side of 10 year old girls walking into abortion clinics and having a surgical procedure without ANY notification to the parent, Your OK with States passing laws that strip parents of that right.. And you say your on the "Winning" side? Tell that to the 30 Million unborn babies who died in the last 25 years.

And I suggest you read up on the Roe V Wade ruling before citing it, which ALLOWS states to impose restrictions on abortion in the earliest stages of pregnancy.. The majority of States have already passed laws that ban and restrict late term, But NOT from OBAMA who SUPPORTS the killing of the unborn in the latest stages of pregnancy.

Obama even refused to sign onto a law that protected babies that survived an abortion.. Seems our President doesn't have a problem slaughtering children after their born, all in the name of,

"A Womens "Right to choose"

What a crock.

 

[GILSAN]

Her body? Don't you mean the baby growing inside of her body?. I find it pathetic how liberals like yourself hide behind the FACT that it's a living human being who's life your taking away... And your perfectly comfortable with it, you act like it's no different than having a breast reduction.

Obama even refused to sign onto a law that protected babies that survived an abortion.. Seems our President doesn't have a problem slaughtering children after their born, all in the name of,

"A Womens "Right to choose"

What a crock.

And Obama also Opposes Sex-Selection Abortion Ban. For him and Liberals it's trendy to choose the gender of the baby, just like they do in China and India. Seems that in the US, boys are more popular than girls, as well.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-house-sex-selective/2012/06/01/id/440861

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Gay marrage would stimulate the economy and create jobs.

Stimulate the Economy??? :lol: How come the Republicans never thought of this brilliant idea? :?

Who do you think your kidding? ???
USA more prisoners per capita than Commuinst China under both parties, no outcry. Nobody cares, and prisons create jobs.

Wow, more incarceration than education. I thought California was a Democrat State. Oh well, I suppose you can always blame it on Bush.

California Spending More On Prisons Than Colleges, Report Says

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/06/california-prisons-colleges_n_1863101.html

 

[Theo Goodman]

-Opposes Sex-Selection Abortion Ban.

-Obama even refused to sign onto a law that protected babies that survived an abortion

ok great and interesting.
Should we also browse the internet for 2 things that Rmoney supported that are equaly bad or worse, or is this the same democrats always 2 times worse concept?

"Stimulate the Economy??? How come the Republicans never thought of this brilliant idea?
"
no idea ,but its not a bad one. In fact it would follow the "less goverment" concept that many give word to. Deregulation. Another reason that they didnt think of it could have something to do with fundimentalism.


"Wow, more incarceration than education. I thought California was a Democrat State. Oh well, I suppose you can always blame it on Bush.
"
No dont ,blame it on cali, but it is in fact the USA as a whole that has more prisoners per capita than China. Private prisons have created jobs and still do. Great business model! I am not saying that democrats are better than republicans, but rather that they are in the same boat.

While everyone is going on about abortion, if everyone is so conserned about "life" what about those babies killed by drone strikes? Or those killed by goverment sanctioned execution, is one life worth more than another?
Less goverment ,more control over who marries whom ,more drone stikes, and more executions?
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[GILSAN]

"Stimulate the Economy??? How come the Republicans never thought of this brilliant idea?
"
no idea ,but its not a bad one. In fact it would follow the "less goverment" concept that many give word to. Deregulation. Another reason that they didnt think of it could have something to do with fundimentalism.

Could you explain how "Gay marriage would stimulate the economy and create jobs" I must be overlooking something 'cause I don't see it. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
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[Theo Goodman]

Weddings are a big biz

 

[JB Lions]

Her body? Don't you mean the baby growing inside of her body?. I find it pathetic how liberals like yourself hide behind the FACT that it's a living human being who's life your taking away... And your perfectly comfortable with it, you act like it's no different than having a breast reduction.




How do you figure? Your on the side of late term abortion and parental notification, Your on the side of killing a child in a Womens 2nd and 3rd trimester, Your on the side of 10 year old girls walking into abortion clinics and having a surgical procedure without ANY notification to the parent, Your OK with States passing laws that strip parents of that right.. And you say your on the "Winning" side? Tell that to the 30 Million unborn babies who died in the last 25 years.

And I suggest you read up on the Roe V Wade ruling before citing it, which ALLOWS states to impose restrictions on abortion in the earliest stages of pregnancy.. The majority of States have already passed laws that ban and restrict late term, But NOT from OBAMA who SUPPORTS the killing of the unborn in the latest stages of pregnancy.

Obama even refused to sign onto a law that protected babies that survived an abortion.. Seems our President doesn't have a problem slaughtering children after their born, all in the name of,

"A Womens "Right to choose"

What a crock.

Once more, and you can refer back to this post in the future.

1. I believe in a woman's right to decide what she does with her body, over the government. But since you're a Republican, you're all about big government in people's lives. This and gay marriage back that up. I'm for freedom and the government and people like you, to get a life and mind your own business. What a woman's decides to do with her body, that 2 people want to marry, none of your business.

2. It's legal. That's not going to change. It's been working fine. It's an issue those on the right use for their sheep, easy votes. They actually have people believing there is a chance it'll get overturned.**

3. Better for society. Children born to parents that didn't want them, don't tend to have the best of lives. These parents (woman) usually don't have enough money, that means more people under government assistance. They will have a higher chance of crime. That's not good for anybody. Read Freakonomics, it gets into that. You can say adoption, that's an option, but there are kids out there still waiting to be adopted. And again, see point 1. That would be the woman's choice if she wants to take the adoption route.

**It's not going to get overturned but just for kicks let's play it out:

Some of the biggest demonstrations this country has ever seen.

Overnight, women, doctors become criminals. Abortions will still happen regardless.

What happens to all these kids? Probably will go into the system, more welfare, more crime, more problems.

Again, it's been working just fine for 40 or so years now. Just like in other civilized societies.

The solution? Education and birth control. But some of the dimwits you guys pick for candidates say some crazy stuff about birth control. Maybe starting picking candidates with a little intelligence and that live more in this century.

 

[JB Lions]

Ole Mitt, the gift that just keeps on giving, Dems best friend.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnB0NZzl5HA"]Mitt Romney on Obama Voters - YouTube[/ame]


[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk2ExIR_T2o"]Mitt Romney cracks Latino joke to 1%. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[enlytend]

Some of the biggest demonstrations this country has ever seen.

Overnight, women, doctors become criminals. Abortions will still happen regardless.

What happens to all these kids? Probably will go into the system, more welfare, more crime, more problems

- Huge increase in the number of babies born with birth defects which render them severely disabled and doomed to a miserable existence of life support, medications, round-the-clock care... Financially and emotionally devastating for families, even ones with good jobs and health insurance who CHOOSE to go that route.

Ole Mitt, the gift that just keeps on giving

Cringeworthy, even if you weren't planning to vote for him. Where IS that 47% who don't pay taxes? And how do I become one?

 

[RaiderGirl]

Once more, and you can refer back to this post in the future.

1. I believe in a woman's right to decide what she does with her body,

Another common distortion where Liberals make it sound like Woman shouldn't be deprived of having a boob job.. When I hear Liberals say this, I actually think their referring to prostitution, that woman have the right to sell themselves for sex, and you know what? I actually AGREE, If anything should be legalized it should be prostitution, but in doing so it would need to be regulated, that's what happens when we legalize something like this, regulation is usually the result, sound familiar?

I'm for freedom and the government and people like you, to get a life and mind your own business.

What are you talking about? The Democratic party that you support so much intrudes in our lives more than any other party, that's what progressives DO, If they didn't intrude in our lives, wouldn't they be called "Regressives"?

2 examples; Here we have Michelle Obama going around the country telling us what we can and cannot eat, this coming from someone who has a butt the size of a exercise ball... And then theirs Obamacare, another intrusion into our life that says we MUST ALL purchase Private health Insurance or else, For the first time in American history our Government created a law that requires all of us to purchase something from a PRIVATE company.. And we should note that it passed withOUT one Republican vote... ALL Democrats, All progressives.

That 2 people want to marry, none of your business.

When it costs the tax payers of this country nearly a BILLION dollars in benefit costs, it makes it my business and the business of every other tax payer.

Better for society. Children born to parents that didn't want them, don't tend to have the best of lives.

Since when is adoption not an option? And I honestly don't think liberals like yourself care.. You care more about a neglected dog who's time is running out at an Animal shelter than you do a human being.

Let me make one thing clear, I'm not for overturning Roe V Wade, I'm for very heavy regulation that outlaws abortion beyond the 1st trimester, unlike the pro-abortionists like you who want it legal in the 2nd, 3rd and even after the child is born.. This is where we part ways...

This is you don't want to discuss, instead you distort by saying:

"I believe in a woman's right to decide what she does with her body"

Since when is killing a living, thinking, feeling human being a "Right"?

Give me a friggin break!

 

[Theo Goodman]

"Since when is killing a living, thinking, feeling human being a "Right"?"
If you are on the list of terrorists then its ok.
-Keep in mind the "list" of americans that are ok to kill created (or that came to light) under obama-

I dont know for sure, I have no numbers, but maybe there would be a 1 billion dollar gay wedding industry.

 

[JB Lions]

"1. I believe in a woman's right to decide what she does with her body,

Another common distortion where Liberals make it sound like Woman shouldn't be deprived of having a boob job.. When I hear Liberals say this, I actually think their referring to prostitution, that woman have the right to sell themselves for sex, and you know what? I actually AGREE, If anything should be legalized it should be prostitution, but in doing so it would need to be regulated, that's what happens when we legalize something like this, regulation is usually the result, sound familiar?"

It's already legal, reread my points above. We're just going to disagree on this issue. I believe a woman should have ultimate say in what happens with her body, you think government. So be it.

What are you talking about? The Democratic party that you support so much intrudes in our lives more than any other party, that's what progressives DO, If they didn't intrude in our lives, wouldn't they be called "Regressives"?

2 examples; Here we have Michelle Obama going around the country telling us what we can and cannot eat, this coming from someone who has a butt the size of a exercise ball... And then theirs Obamacare, another intrusion into our life that says we MUST ALL purchase Private health Insurance or else, For the first time in American history our Government created a law that requires all of us to purchase something from a PRIVATE company.. And we should note that it passed withOUT one Republican vote... ALL Democrats, All progressives.

I believe I gave a couple of example of Republican big government, in our private lives. As far as the health insurance, I think people being required to have car insurance in most states worked out ok. I realize it's not a federal law but it's a good idea to have it.

When it costs the tax payers of this country nearly a BILLION dollars in benefit costs, it makes it my business and the business of every other tax payer.

Poor argument. Try getting some info on some neutral sites. First of all, regardless of money, it's the right thing to do. But you're not big on rights, unless it's prostitution. As far as money:

"Looking at the entire picture, if same-sex marriage rights were granted nationwide, such marriages would generate a net $1 billion each year for the federal budget over the next ten years, according to a 2004 report by the Congressional Budget Office"

New York alone - "On the state level, a report from the Independent Economic Conference projected that same-sex marriages would generate $27 million in taxes and license fees for New York state over the next three years."

Marriage is big business, in case you didn't know. Additional tax revenue.

It's just interesting to me, you're ok with prostitution, not ok with marriage. Which one do you think is more beneficial to society? Would you rather have Sarah and Amy living next door, happily married. Or some prostitutes, selling themselves? Really now.

 

[RaiderGirl]

I believe a woman should have ultimate say in what happens with her body, you think government.

Translation;

I JB Lions believe a woman should have the right to kill her own baby in any stage of pregnancy, even after birth.

What this has to do with a Womans body, only JB Lions and other pro-abortionists know.

I think people being required to have car insurance in most states worked out ok.

All you do is repeat the same week arguments, There is no mandate to own a car, therefore no mandate to have insurance if you don't own a car. get it?

Regardless of money, it's the right thing to do.

BS.. You wrote that's it's none of my business to object to gay marriage and I gave you solid reason why it IS, and it was only ONE example, I have plenty more, And now your trying to detract from that and say GM would generate revenue, this is beside the point, the FACT that's it will cost tax payers MONEY makes it my business.. When a teacher wants to undergo a $50,000 sex change, that's MY money their using.

It's just interesting to me, you're ok with prostitution, not ok with marriage.

I'm NOT OK with Prostitution, I'm OK with legalizing it and policing it like they do in countries like Singapore... Big difference.

 

[JB Lions]

Translation;

I JB Lions believe a woman should have the right to kill her own baby in any stage of pregnancy, even after birth.

What this has to do with a Womans body, only JB Lions and other pro-abortionists know.

See above, and after birth is a stage of pregnancy? Think I read that wrong, can you quote me saying anything about killing a baby after it's born? Didn't think so, because I never said that.

BS.. You wrote that's it's none of my business to object to gay marriage and I gave you solid reason why it IS, and it was only ONE example, I have plenty more, And now your trying to detract from that and say GM would generate revenue, this is beside the point, the FACT that's it will cost tax payers MONEY makes it my business.. When a teacher wants to undergo a $50,000 sex change, that's MY money their using.

So it doesn't cost tax payers money for straight marriage? Would you have been against interracial marriage on the same grounds?

 

[RaiderGirl]

Did any of you notice in the past two Democratic conventions the tone on abortion has changed? I remember in past conventions they presented it as a tragedy, that woman were let down due to education, deprived of health care and contraception, that Government needs to play a role in helping them, We didn't hear any of that in this convention, Notice that? instead what we heard was the right for Woman to have an Abortion, that Mitt Romney was going to overturn Roe V Wade and if you wanted to keep that "Right", "Vote for Barack Obama"

First of all; Since when can the President overturn a Supreme Court ruling? Is Cecil Richards of planned parenthood really that stupid not ot know that the only way to to that is to amend the Constitution? If I was receiving over $350 MILLION dollars from the US Government every year and I wanted to keep that revenue stream coming in, I'd probably LIE about that too.

Clearly the message from Democrats has changed, even in JB Lions posts he repeats the same distortion of a Woman's "Right" when we all know it goes FAR beyond that..

The Democratic party is NO more the party of Pro-Choice" they are now the Party of Abortion" Without a doubt this is the message Democrats are sending to voters. It's no wonder in a recent Gallup poll it showed that more Americans today since 2009 identify themselves as "Pro-Life" than "Pro Choice" A 9 point difference between the two, the biggest gap it's ever been....

The American people see through the distortion and politically correct BS that Democrats dish out on this issue, they don't want to be aligned with the party of Abortion... I think most Americans want the number of abortions reduced, and if Democrats would focus more on this like they did in 2004 and prior, they would have a better chancing of winning this November.

can you quote me saying anything about killing a baby after it's born?

I asked you about late term repeatedly and you ignored the question every single time, If your opposed to late term, why the reluctance to answer?