The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[JB Lions]

"I asked you about late term repeatedly and you ignored the question every single time, If your opposed to late term, why the reluctance to answer?"

You skip some of mine, then get bent out of shape for one. Late term is different from after it's born. Why don't you tackle the questions I posted in my last post. Here it is again:

"So it doesn't cost tax payers money for straight marriage? Would you have been against interracial marriage on the same grounds?"


"I think most Americans want the number of abortions reduced, and if Democrats would focus more on this like they did in 2004 and prior, they would have a better chancing of winning this November."

A better chance of winning? lol. Except it's more people on the right who say crazy stuff about birth control, you know the stuff that would help cut down the number of abortions and have a Republican Platform that would ban all abortions. And it's obvious you have a problem with the word "rights" but that's exactly what it is.

And your complaints about President overturning abortion, Supreme Court etc. well, they're the ones that keep feeding the sheep about that possibility. Maybe you should have a talk with your own party?

 

[verbster]

I'm NOT OK with Prostitution, I'm OK with legalizing it and policing it like they do in countries like Singapore... Big difference.

This is classic. Are you sure you're real name isn't Mitt?

 

[carob]

What happens to all these kids? Probably will go into the system, more welfare, more crime, more problems.

There is an interesting counterintuitive essay, with stats, about exactly this in the book Freakonomics. It seems to correlate wider availability of abortion with falls in crime, and asks if abortions prevented unwanted, neglected children who cause problems for society.

 

[RaiderGirl]

You skip some of mine, then get bent out of shape for one.

One? You may want to re-read the posts.. And whatever questions I skipped, I tend to ignore questions I find irrelevant and ridiculous, including your new one that compares gay marriage to interracial marriages. You want to have a serious discussion with me? Stop the BS and stop playing the race card when your losing.

Late term is different from after it's born.

Of course it is, And yet you still choose NOT to address either issue, Why?. If I was asked for my opinion on something as inhumane as this clearly is, I would denounce it immediately, I wouldn't ignore it or dance around like you have.

And it's obvious you have a problem with the word "rights" but that's exactly what it is.

I have a problem because it's NOT a Right at all... To suggest that it's a "Right" is to suggest the Supreme Court has been correct on all of it's major decisions.. Was the Supreme court correct on the Dred Scott case on slavery?

It's funny, Ask any Liberal if Gore VS Bush was the right decision and the answer would be a resounding NO.. But yet Roe V Wade was correct.

If the Supreme Court were to rule in NAMBLA's favor that Men had a "Right" to sodomize underage boys making it legal to do so, would that make it a right? Would you say that society does absolutely nothing to protect boys because the court ruled it was legal?.

And what was the other "Right" you claimed? Oh yeah, a Woman's right to do what she want's with her own "body".. Since when does a woman's body have two beating hearts, two blood types, two heads, four eyes, four arms, and four legs? And what if she's pregnant with a Boy? Does she now have a penis?

As much I like debating with you, at times you can be a talking head, repeating the same weak arguments the pro-abortionists and democratic party spoon feeds you, Most of which is dishonest.

 

[JB Lions]

One? You may want to re-read the posts.. And whatever questions I skipped, I tend to ignore questions I find irrelevant and ridiculous, including your new one that compares gay marriage to interracial marriages. You want to have a serious discussion with me? Stop the BS and stop playing the race card when your losing.

There is no race card being played, it was a straight question. I asked you both about straight marriage and interracial marriage. I brought up interracial marriage because that was against the law at one time as well. You hide behind you have to pay for it as a reason, well you don't have to pay for straight or interracial? It's a pathetic cop out on your part when I think we both know the real reason why, you have some issue/problem with gays.

And far as the rest of your post, you bring up some stuff we're not even talking about. I'm not sure how much more simpler I can make this for you. These are my own views, not any of that other stuff you mentioned. It's very simple. If something was growing inside of my body, I get to decide what happens with that, not the government. That's it, that's my belief. You disagree with that, that's fine. You're not going to change my mind on that. Clear?

 

[Theo Goodman]

Obama -More of the same- and this from PBS, im sure that they are considered a liberal mouthpiece
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/front...rtually-none-of-bushs-controversial-programs/

 

[eyedomainous]

What? National healthcare should be outlawed because the government does not have the right to mandate people buy a product? Wow. If one needed proof that Republicans are unfit to govern anybody but themselves... this is it.

I mean, why base a national governance decision on a conservative set a factors, or factor in this case, when a more liberal view reveals other factors to base a decision on?

In this case, the issue of the government's role in public healthcare is clear, and undeniable.

Because the government mandates involuntary exposure to pollutants, through permits, in air, water, land and food, from the manufacture of products... a national healthcare plan is responsible governance.

Republicans are essentially saying... You can have the byproduct, but not the product. We will poison you, and not offer healthcare. You can have the disease, but not the cure.

To fight against healthcare all the way to the Supreme Court; to lose, and then vow to still take healthcare away from tens of millions; Shamelessly unfit to govern, anybody but themselves.

And then theirs Obamacare, another intrusion into our life that says we MUST ALL purchase Private health Insurance or else, For the first time in American history our Government created a law that requires all of us to purchase something from a PRIVATE company.. And we should note that it passed withOUT one Republican vote... ALL Democrats, All progressives.

 

[DU]

You seem to be thinking of a single payer model.
That's not what this is. This is a crazy hybrid compromise that leaves very few people happy - repubs or democrats.

Its still contains too much corporate interest for both the left and the libertarians (kind of ironically, imho). Im not sure what the issue is from the majority right.

Right now, from what little i have read, China is instituting a better overall healthcare policy.

 

[eyedomainous]

Its estimated to cover an additional 30 million people... so my "tens of millions" statement was not thinking of the single payer model.

But, yes, an estimated 26 million will NOT be covered by what we ended up with. A lot of apples got kicked-out of the cart, as the Repubs tried to tip it over.

So Obama pushed it as far down the road as he could, for now. If he wins, I think he will go after any corporate abusers -as the plan unfolds.

As far as "very few happy - repubs or dems". I'm not in That echo chamber.

Why people like Obamacare
People are suspicious of Obamacare in the abstract, but when it gets to the specifics they tend to like it a lot

 

[DU]

Its estimated to cover an additional 30 million people... so my "tens of millions" statement was not thinking of the single payer model.

But, yes, an estimated 26 million will NOT be covered by what we ended up with. A lot of apples got kicked-out of the cart, as the Repubs tried to tip it over.

So Obama pushed it as far down the road as he could, for now. If he wins, I think he will go after any corporate abusers -as the plan unfolds.

As far as "very few happy - repubs or dems". I'm not in That echo chamber.

Fair enough. Most people I know would support a single payer model and thought this compromise wasn't good enough.

There has been argument as to whether the current plan will ultimately fail and will head to a single payer model or go back to where we were.

I'm undecided except that I believe the solution should not shift burden directly to employers.

 

[verbster]

This thread has a lot in common with the current congress. We defend our views on issues as if they’re the only views worth considering, and we are content to stay at loggerheads rather than give the slightest consideration to the merits of another point of view. The difference is that while nothing really depends on the outcome of our opinions, congress holds the fate of a nation in theirs. Unfortunately, they too seem to be satisfied with an impasse on critical issues. There seems to be no consideration of working to achieve anything beneficial for the country as a whole. It’s a my-way-or-the-highway kind of thinking, and most are guilty of it. A 12% approval rate doesn’t seem to matter. I can’t help but wonder why.

It’s a good lesson for us, though. How is congress going to get out of the muddy hole they’ve dug for themselves and dragged us into? How would you get out? What would it take to cross party lines to stand up for what’s right, even if it’s only a small part of bigger issue? What would it take to compromise a little on both sides? Or would you do the same nothing as our current congress and be happy that if you can’t get things your way then nobody’s going to get anything in any way. And then maybe examine your motives. Has our political system traded its duty to “faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which [they are] about to enter” for something as mediocre as a political stalemate? If so, was it by design, by accident or other motivation? If not, then why are we gridlocked? What’s it going to take to regain our focus? What’s it going to take to get our congress to fulfill their duty to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States? After all these words are much more than just words. There's the hope and intent of a new world packed into these wondrous 50 words.

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

E pluribus Unum

 

[GILSAN]

What’s it going to take to get our congress to fulfill their duty to bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States?

Aren't the majority in Congress (Republicans and Democrats) a bunch of corrupt crooks? Didn't they earn big bucks without working, by using the so called "insider trading"?

They only deserve to be in one place; behind bars, oh and make some room for the MSM whores... they also deserve to be there, for the crime of misinforming millions of people every day with their pro-Obama propaganda.

A 3rd party and an unbiased Media is what's needed... urgently!

 

[verbster]

Aren't the majority in Congress (Republicans and Democrats) a bunch of corrupt crooks? Didn't they earn big bucks without working, by using the so called "insider trading"?

They only deserve to be in one place; behind bars, oh and make some room for the MSM whores... they also deserve to be there, for the crime of misinforming millions of people every day with their pro-Obama propaganda.

A 3rd party and an unbiased Media is what's needed... urgently!

You somehow missed my basic point, yet illustrated it perfectly. Think about what you wrote. Seriously.

 

[GILSAN]

You somehow missed my basic point, yet illustrated it perfectly. Think about what you wrote. Seriously.

Think about what? I agreed with your post about Congress, so much so that I even "Thanked" you for the post. I have no problem in thanking someone for something I think is correct, even though that person has been against me on previous posts.

What is there to think about?

 

[Theo Goodman]

 

[GILSAN]

samjones, you forgot to add a nice banner depicting the 3rd force; the corrupt, biased, Obama ass kissing, Liberal Media Whores.

Looking at these elections as well as the previous ones is like watching a football game where the referees are favoring one side all the time! :td:

 

[Theo Goodman]

no, that would fall under the "everything the republicans do that is bad, the democrats do worse/more" theory.
Then I would have to include the 4th force conservative media like FOX, Beck or Rush that ass kiss Rmoney.

I do not understand why ANYONE thinks, expects or acts like they expect the so called "media" to be unbias. What a joke. News flash(pun intended), both sides manipulate the media, if you are already pres it could be a tad easier. If you have a fat bankroll it also helps. As if this is something new? This is the same game as in every election, the logos are different. Its a historical moment: Rich Morman with spoiled brat as VP or Socialist Anti-Christ with some old dude as VP , Amazing! Be Inspired! Stay Home, Dont Vote.

 

[eyedomainous]

If your a (white majority) guy sporting an iPad there likely won't be much difference for you if Obama or Romney wins.

So why vote?... its not like Your going to need BIRTH CONTROL RIGHTS.
[DIF: Obama supports birth control and abortion. Romney: opposes birth control abortion rights. Says he would like to see the Supreme Court reverse Roe v. Wade, and if he wins he can stack the court, then cherry-pick a case.]

Why vote?... its not like You have to worry about IMMIGRATION.
[DIF: Obama's "American Dream Act" lets children of undocumented immigrants stay in the country. Romny would throw out the Dream Act; opposes their education; supports their deportation, and favors a U.S.-Mexico fence.]

Still why vote... if you don't see any Difference in HEALTHCARE policy for tens of millions?

Why vote... If you don't see any Difference on ENERGY between "Drill! Drill! Drill! and renewable energy policies?

And "stay home"... if you don't see any Difference on FOREIGN POLICY; and so forth.
[Romney says he will "do the opposite" as Obama on Israel v Iran (which means war, with a chance of nukes). Has called Russia the "No. 1 geopolitical foe" of the U.S., AND says he will "Get tough on China".*]

You know, CHINA!? The place where the iPad is made? The land of "BIG GOVERNMENT". Where work conditions are often described as "TORTURE"? Where there is No health "INSURANCE MANDATE". But the levels of "CRONYISM", "ZERO ACCOUNTABILITY" and "PROPAGANDA" make US look good.

So you vote with your wallet and pretend your hands are clean. Look again. This time... open your eyes.

*If elected Romney will very likely support an Israeli strike on Iran. However his position on China and Russia will be become a 'poison pill' when they side with Iran, like they are Syria. The U.S. leadership 'stock' will take a beating... as Romney & Co defense stocks soar).

 

[Theo Goodman]

you cant overturn row vs. wade with an executive order. Note "he says"

blah, both of them want healthare in one way or antoher, no there is not a huge difference.

Obama is just as drill drill as the next.

FOREIGN POLICY will stay the same, war war and more war, drones , proxy war , "liberation" and "spreading democracy" will continue.

hahahah
The whole china thing is more than funny. Both the USA and China need each other. Dont expect any major movement there. Maybe a lot of talk.

Obama is funding , and supporting the FSA in Syria. No different than mr. Rmoney would do. That proxy war has started and both of them will do their best to finish it.

Voting is giving your Rubber Stamp to this system. Tune in Turn on Dont Vote.

 

[enlytend]

you cant overturn row vs. wade with an executive order. Note "he says"

No he can't overturn it that way. But he can

stack the court, then cherry-pick a case

The words "Foreign Policy" and "Romney" in the same sentence scares the living **** out of me. He may be the only presidential candidate in history (at least since Revolutionary war times) to manage to piss off England. That takes a very special lack of diplomatic skills. Letting him open his mouth aruond more challenging heads of state is a recipe for disaster.

Not voting isn't the answer. That just gives away your voice to someone who does.