The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[Theo Goodman]

"especially where the religion woven into the fabric of government. " You mean when God is in the platform? :P

 

[Kate]

"especially where the religion woven into the fabric of government. " You mean when God is in the platform? :P

Isn't it an accurate description of US politics ?

 

[GILSAN]

This is a pretty extreme statement. It's like blaming the actions of a violent protest by any extreme faction in any country on the govenment.

Extreme statement. Really? The US Ambassador was stationed in Tripoli, then went to Benghazi where a group of well organized and probably well informed islamists attacked and murdered him and 3 collegues. And you believe there was no help from people high up in the present Lybian Government? Surely the US Ambassador wasn't gonna tell the world that he was off to Benghazi on Sept. 11th.

Obama seems to prefer Arab Governments to Israel. He will learn his lesson the hard way. After this slap on the face Obama is now confused. He now says Egypt is neither an Ally nor an enemy. Obama, wake up, don't be eluded by these people. You just can't trust Arab Governments. When will you learn?

And now the Obama boot-licking Liberal MSM is attacking Romney for defending the US? :td:

As for all those polls that JB Lions keeps putting up, they are pointless as they are a propaganda tool used by the Democrats to try and fool people. :zzz: :zzz:

 

[JB Lions]

"As for all those polls that JB Lions keeps putting up, they are pointless as they are a propaganda tool used by the Democrats to try and fool people."

You mean the one that picked 50/50 states in 2004 and then 48/50 states last election, only 1 electoral vote off. So last 2 elections combined 98/100 states picked correctly, last 2 elections a total of 1 electoral vote off. So it is pretty much on point. If don't like Obama, you can call it a propaganda tool if you want. Not going to help anything tho. If you don't like them, put up better candidates next time.

"And now the Obama boot-licking Liberal MSM is attacking Romney for defending the US?"

He was looking dumb and sloppy, unpresidential, using somebody's death for political gain and it all blew back in his face. It's a situation, that even tho you're in a Presidential race, you should have some decency.

On a side note, Gilsan, why are you supporting Romney, being a Ron Paul fan? Ron Paul doesn't even like him. He was more libertarian, so why not support Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate? I watched the main video on the site - http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

then checked out the rest of his site:

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

He's more Ron Paul, than Romney. Seems pretty decent, lot of his views I agree with. There are also some drastic ones again, I don't think will fly.

 

[GILSAN]

He was looking dumb and sloppy, unpresidential, using somebody's death for political gain and it all blew back in his face. It's a situation, that even tho you're in a Presidential race, you should have some decency.

That's the Liberal point of view. The US embassy came out with that statement when they saw that trouble was beginning to brew outside the US Embassy in Cairo and then they sent the statement a second time after the demonstrations had started. Much later it was disavowed by Obama.

The main problem is not Mitt Romney speaking up, but the US Middle East Policy. Look how the protests have escalated around the Arab countries against Americans.

You talk about decency. Why was Bill Clinton campaigning for Obama on 9/11? And why the hell did Obama send a message to the Arab Forum, on 9/11? Not very sensible of him, yet the MSM didn't even mention it.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and...asset-recovery

On a side note, Gilsan, why are you supporting Romney, being a Ron Paul fan? Ron Paul doesn't even like him. He was more libertarian, so why not support Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate? I watched the main video on the site - http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/

then checked out the rest of his site:

http://www.garyjohnson2012.com/front

He's more Ron Paul, than Romney. Seems pretty decent, lot of his views I agree with. There are also some drastic ones again, I don't think will fly.

I'm supporting Romney because Obama is a bad President and needs to be replaced urgently. That 16 Trillion dollar Debt is a time bomb that will blow up if it doesn't get fixed. Ben Bernanke today decided to start printing Billions of Dollars again. He's already printed 3 Trillion bucks since Obama took over. If Obama is re-elected the dollar is gonna devalue like crazy with Bernanke's decision.

After this decision by Bernanke it's probably a good idea to invest in gold as it's bound to jump in value. The Chinese and Russians have been buying gold like crazy in the past 6-9 months.

Ron Paul as you know was ignored by the MSM. They were successful in putting him on the shelf.

Gary Johnson, who the hell is Gary Johnson? Does the media talk about him? Do they ever interview him? Will he be in the debates?

As far as the Media is concerned Gary Johnson is the "Invisible Man"

 

[eyedomainous]

"I can tell you as a business person trying to look at the big picture, I don’t remember 4 years ago as being a good time for business.

As a starting point of reference, here is a reminder of what the stock market was going through in the fall of 2008. Out of the top 10 point declines in the Dow Industrials, 5 of them occurred in the fall of 2008.

Four years ago we were worried about whether or not our financial system would fail. We were worried about whether the auto industry would fail. We were worried about whether or not housing would drop to zero and we were concerned with whether or not it would ever come back. We were concerned with what the bottom in job losses would be and whether or not there even was a bottom.

Four years ago we were looking around and describing our situation as “The Great Recession”. Just the fact that we are no longer saying “We are in the midst of a Great Recession” by definition means that as a country we are better off financially and psychologically than we were 4 years ago." -Mark Cuban from blogmaverick.com​

I'm supporting Romney because Obama is a bad President and needs to be replaced urgently.

Yeah. Right.

 

[Theo Goodman]

The stuff going on in Lybia is being done by basicly the same people that helped NATO overthrow Gadafi and are working for the FSA in Syria. Where was all the talk of no penny for Lybia and Eygpt when the US was bombing Lybia? Rmoney would do no different, or maybe he would bomb Lybia, bomb the goverment that the US helped to install stick it to em ,right?

 

[enlytend]

The US embassy came out with that statement when they saw that trouble was beginning to brew outside the US Embassy in Cairo and then they sent the statement a second time after the demonstrations had started. Much later it was disavowed by Obama.

- Someone in the US made a film that was the Islamic equivalent of someone doing the life of Jesus as a p*rno. The extremists were upset, to say the least. Anyone surprised?

- Someone at the consulate, seeing the unrest, made a statement distancing the US from the film. That's what diplomats do - it's called called "diplomacy." Even that statement (which was made by the consulate and not cleared by any officials higher up) was not an apology - our country was built on religious tolerance and we don't condone films that bash and make fun of others' beliefs (although free speech gave him the right to make it.)

- Read the transcripts. NONE of the official statements after the attack "apologize." They all condemn the attack...

I strongly condemn the outrageous attack on our diplomatic facility in Benghazi, which took the lives of four Americans, including Ambassador Chris Stevens.

... while continuing to distance the country from the moron who made the film:

While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

Romney's response was in poor taste and indicates that he would be a foreign policy trainwreck.

BTW - more on the film and its maker - apperently he added the inflammatory stuff post-production so his cast/crew had no idea what they were a part of, some of them are afraid for their lives now. http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/...ifies-anti-muslim-filmmaker/57777522/1?csp=hf

And the Coptic bishop made a statement:

"the producers of this movie should be responsible for their actions. The name of our blessed parishioners should not be associated with the efforts of individuals who have ulterior motives."

Do you call that an apology? No. Like the government, he's distancing his organization from the actions of that one person.

 

[GILSAN]

"I can tell you as a business person trying to look at the big picture, I don’t remember 4 years ago as being a good time for business.

As a starting point of reference, here is a reminder of what the stock market was going through in the fall of 2008. Out of the top 10 point declines in the Dow Industrials, 5 of them occurred in the fall of 2008.

Four years ago we were worried about whether or not our financial system would fail. We were worried about whether the auto industry would fail. We were worried about whether or not housing would drop to zero and we were concerned with whether or not it would ever come back. We were concerned with what the bottom in job losses would be and whether or not there even was a bottom.

Four years ago we were looking around and describing our situation as “The Great Recession”. Just the fact that we are no longer saying “We are in the midst of a Great Recession” by definition means that as a country we are better off financially and psychologically than we were 4 years ago." -Mark Cuban from blogmaverick.com​

Yeah. Right.

The financial collapse of 2007-2008 goes back to the Clinton administration and Congress when they decided to deregulate the Banks and Financial Institutions. Check out this article:

Clinton, Republicans agree to deregulation of US financial system
http://www.wsws.org/articles/1999/nov1999/bank-n01.shtml

BTW let me remind you that the Democrats took over and controlled a majority in both the House of Representatives and the Senate, from the beginning of 2007. Till then The unemployment rate was about 4.5% and Bush's economic policies had set a record of 52 consecutive months of Job Creation. The Financial crisis and subsequent meltdown started after the Democrats took over both Houses in Jan 2007.

An what to say about the dumping of about $6 Trillion of toxic loans on the economy from the famous fiascoes by Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, not to mention the dumping of several more Trillions of Dollars of US toxic shit on European Banks as well.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Bush ask Congress almost 20 times to impose more regulation and oversight on Fannie & Freddie because of the financial risk it could bring on the US Economy, but was blocked by the (in the closet at the time) Democrat Barney Frank, as well as the Liberals, repeatedly?

Very interesting to note also and that many Liberals have forgotten that Senator Barack Obama was one of those Democrats who fought against reform of Fannie May and Freddy Mack, and you want to know why?

Because your dear President was the second highest receiver of political pay-offs by Freddie and Fannie. Yes that's right. Here's a video to remind you, just to refresh your memory:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-_HlpZ8azA"]Obama Ranks Second In Freddie/Fannie Contributions - YouTube[/ame]

Democrats were WARNED of Financial crisis and did NOTHING

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPSDnGMzIdo&feature=related"]Democrats were WARNED of Financial crisis and did NOTHING - YouTube[/ame]

As for your mention of the stock markets, Dow Jones was doing very well till the Democrats took over both houses in Jan 2007. After that we all know the story, so don't try to blame Bush for everything that happened.

Bush may have been the driver, but the Democrats had the foot on the accelerator to drive the economy into the ditch

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- Someone in the US made a film that was the Islamic equivalent of someone doing the life of Jesus as a p*rno. The extremists were upset, to say the least. Anyone surprised?

- Someone at the consulate, seeing the unrest, made a statement distancing the US from the film. That's what diplomats do - it's called called "diplomacy." Even that statement (which was made by the consulate and not cleared by any officials higher up) was not an apology - our country was built on religious tolerance and we don't condone films that bash and make fun of others' beliefs (although free speech gave him the right to make it.)

I saw the 15 minute trailer and I must admit it's pretty disgusting.

But so is Hollywood's portrayal of Catholic Nuns (one of their favorite groups) which they've been denigrating for dozens of years

Latest example:

Kate Upton Plays Hoochie Nun in ‘Stooges’ Flick

http://christiandiarist.com/2012/04/16/kate-upton-plays-hoochie-nun-in-stooges-flick/

And if you google "porn movies portray nuns" you have lots of porno movies about horny nuns to choose from. No one seems to criticize or demonstrate or even kill for that.

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Where was all the talk of no penny for Lybia and Eygpt when the US was bombing Lybia? Rmoney would do no different, or maybe he would bomb Lybia, bomb the goverment that the US helped to install stick it to em ,right?

Hey, get your facts right. It was the UK and France that bombed Lybia, NOT the US. Plus it was done at the request of the cowards called the Arab League who are too shit scared to involve themselves directly in another Arab country, so they ask the US or Europe to do their dirty work.

 

[enlytend]

Kate Upton Plays Hoochie Nun in ‘Stooges’ Flick

http://christiandiarist.com/2012/04/...stooges-flick/

And if you google "porn movies portray nuns" you have lots of porno movies about horny nuns to choose from. No one seems to criticize or demonstrate or even kill for that.

Two wrongs don't make a right. Those are also offensive (and protected by free speech) ... but there aren't too many violent Catholic extremists, at least not in any country where those films would prompt them to attack the US presence.

The guy who made the film in question must have a death wish. Remember The Satanic Verses, anyone? Rushdie's book was just controversial, not disgusting, and he spent years in hiding and dodging assasination attempts because offended extremists put a death bounty on him.

 

[GILSAN]

The guy who made the film in question must have a death wish. Remember The Satanic Verses, anyone? Rushdie's book was just controversial, not disgusting, and he spent years in hiding and dodging assasination attempts because offended extremists put a death bounty on him.

I remember very well and if I'm not wrong the fatwa placed on him has never been lifted. But he's not the only one in similar circumstances. Ridiculous is all I can say.

 

[RaiderGirl]

He was looking dumb and sloppy, unpresidential, using somebody's death for political gain and it all blew back in his face. It's a situation, that even tho you're in a Presidential race, you should have some decency.

You sound like a parrot for the left.. You don't honestly buy into everything the media feeds you, do you?

As for looking dumb and sloppy, Obama looked far dumber when he blamed a police officer for arresting his friend, not knowing any of the facts and suggesting race was the primary motive... What's the called again?

Oh yeah, "Shooting first and aiming later"

He was more libertarian, so why not support Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate?

You'd like that wouldn't you? Just like Bill Clinton and the Democratic party liked it in 1992 when Ross Perot cost George HW Bush his re-election.

When the Libertarian or Independent party begins being a serious contender in the Presidential races or other races, you can ask Gilsan then.

 

[JB Lions]

You sound like a parrot for the left.. You don't honestly buy into everything the media feeds you, do you?

As for looking dumb and sloppy, Obama looked far dumber when he blamed a police officer for arresting his friend, not knowing any of the facts and suggesting race was the primary motive... What's the called again?

Oh yeah, "Shooting first and aiming later".

I sound like somebody with eyes in my head. They were both dumb.

You'd like that wouldn't you? Just like Bill Clinton and the Democratic party liked it in 1992 when Ross Perot cost George HW Bush his re-election.

When the Libertarian or Independent party begins being a serious contender in the Presidential races or other races, you can ask Gilsan then.

Well, what I like is somebody who believes in freedom. The Republican Party in terms of personal freedom, is the most anti freedom party in the country, just one of the reasons why it's slowly dying.

Let's see here we are in 2012, pushing 2013 and you're actually trying to:

Take away a woman's right, ones they've had for about 40 years now. (abortion)

Keep others from having rights. (gays wanting to marry)

What happened to small government I always here from the right? Just not when it has to do with people's rights, our personal lives right? Then you want to be all up in it. Understand you're on the wrong side of both those issues.

The environment? Ah, f the environment. Don't think that's going to fly with the generations coming up today.

I like the Libertarian view on gambling online. Legalize it.

Gilsan, RaiderGirl, how are you liking - http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/ 66.1 - 33.5 Almost doubled him up now. Romney about to turn it around soon? Impress us in the debates?

67.2 - 32.6, double him up, free fall.

 

[GILSAN]

I like the Libertarian view on gambling online. Legalize it.

Gilsan, RaiderGirl, how are you liking - http://www.intrade.com/v4/home/ 66.1 - 33.5 Almost doubled him up now. Romney about to turn it around soon? Impress us in the debates?

Since I'm not a gambler, those gambling poll numbers mean absolutely nothing to me. They go through my eye and out of my ass, at the speed of light, leaving a foul smell around the house unfortunately. Must be Obama's smell

At the rate those intrade polls are going Obama should get 100% of the vote by November, just like he's gonna get from the blacks. Like I said before, your polls are pure Liberal propaganda, very similar to what the Russians and North Koreans do so well. You can fool some people but not everyone. Let the debates begin, even though the Moderators unfortunately are all Liberal leaning.

"Impress us in the debates?" Obviously you're too brainwashed to make any difference, but we'll see

 

[JB Lions]

Somebody's mad.

"Like I said before, your polls are pure Liberal propaganda"

I already pointed out to you how that makes no sense whatsoever, since this is people using their own money/prediction market. Or pointed out to you they picked 98% of the states right, 1 electoral vote off last 2 elections combined. I think that reality makes you mad.

"Liberal propaganda", "Liberal leaning" and that's the ole continuing to whine and complain and blame the media, as if they've been picking the horrible, wrong side of history, candidates for you.

"but we'll see"

We shall, like I said, I'm looking forward to these debates. Obama is good in debates, and Biden should have fun with ole Lyin' Ryan.

Gilsan - http://news.yahoo.com/gop-elector-wont-vote-romney-resigns-074113894--election.html?_esi=1

True Ron Paul supporter.

 

[verbster]

They go through my eye and out of my ass, at the speed of light, leaving a foul smell around the house unfortunately. Must be Obama's smell

This kind of comment is uncalled for. I truly hope the majority of Mr. Romney's supporters have more class.

 

[GILSAN]

I'm looking forward to these debates. Obama is good in debates, and Biden should have fun with ole Lyin' Ryan.

I'll sure Bill Clinton has given Obama some good tips, especially in arithmetic.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wwMQ0u7IPpA&feature=related"]Obama Thinks There Are 57 states - And He Even Stopped To - YouTube[/ame]

And probably on how to talk without a teleprompter:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU&feature=related"]Obama lost without a teleprompter - YouTube[/ame]

If the moderators ask "golf" related questions then Mitt is in deep trouble, as Obama has accumulated a considerable amount of experience in the Golf Courses in the past 4 years

 

[JB Lions]

Getting worried? None of those are debates. Everybody uses a teleprompter. Everybody messes up with little stuff like that due to being tired from campaigning. Next, are you going to post some Obama is a Muslim videos? How about some birther stuff? Because that worked so well the first time around.

 

[GILSAN]

Getting worried? None of those are debates. Everybody uses a teleprompter. Everybody messes up with little stuff like that due to being tired from campaigning. Next, are you going to post some Obama is a Muslim videos? How about some birther stuff? Because that worked so well the first time around.

No need to do that. Michelle has already answered that here:

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kk3OMRqO7aY"]Obama home country is Kenya - YouTube[/ame]

:notme:

 

[JB Lions]

Well, that's where his dad was born - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama,_Sr.

That's who she was talking about. It's called context. Notice they're only showing 8 seconds of the video, not what came before it? I guess maybe the Right don't know how to Google? Or maybe you don't know what a birth certificate is? But birthers are pretty amusing and useful. Scare away the normal people, undecided vote.