The USA Political Thread

[lennco]

Here you can spout your USA political views.

Rules:
1. Keep it clean
2. No fighting
3. Respect the views of others.
4. US Political views, No Religious views
5. Have fun

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[johname]

Funny or Die kept its Donald Trump ‘biopic’ a secret for months


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-its-donald-trump-biopic-a-secret-for-months/

 

[GILSAN]

Funny or Die kept its Donald Trump ‘biopic’ a secret for months


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-its-donald-trump-biopic-a-secret-for-months/

He bears an uncanny resemblance to a younger Trump

 

[GILSAN]

New York Daily News trying to outdo Huffington Post. Give em hell Donald

 

[johname]

"Ninety two to six. That is absolutely unbelievable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-major-honesty-problem-after-new-hampshire/

 

[JB Lions]

"Ninety two to six. That is absolutely unbelievable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-major-honesty-problem-after-new-hampshire/

Yep, considering her and Sanders lie about the same - http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/o...cians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?_r=0

and way less than the Republicans

The people who put that chart together look pretty legit.

http://www.politifact.com/

and the the other well known political fact check site - http://www.factcheck.org/

Ted Cruz at 18, aspirations to be in a "teen tit film", I know he was joking

 

[johname]

He wouldnt be normal if he didnt want to be in a teen tit film at 18 lol

 

[GILSAN]

"Ninety two to six. That is absolutely unbelievable"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-a-major-honesty-problem-after-new-hampshire/

Hillary is carrying some pretty heavy baggage: Benghazi, e-mails, raking in millions from foreign governments behind closed doors, etc.

The thing that most amazes me about Sanders is how favorable he is among the young Dems.

Is he promising more than he can deliver?

 

[RogueWriter]

Hillary got thumped by a guy who is going to get thumped in the general election. It's going to be a landslide. At some point, a more moderate leadership for the Democrat party will have to emerge.

The Dems only hope, and I cannot believe I am even saying this, is if Joe Biden suddenly threw his hat in the ring. Against these two buffoons, he looks like an intellectual giant.

I -wish- Evan Bayh would come back to the democrat party and be active again.

 

[johname]

Dont laugh Rogue, odds are Hilary will be the next President.

Trump cant do a one-on-one two hour debate with Hilary.

Sanders is just a protest vote for now. His job is to make Hilary look like she fought a hard fight, instead of getting the nomination just handed to her.

 

[JB Lions]

Yep. Nationally, Hillary is up 13 points over Sanders. I think this is good she's getting pushed early, get her in combat mode. Then if it's vs. Trump, which is still amazing to me, right now she's up over him as well. Then when it's 1 on 1, Trump will get handled. The Trump/Hillary debates will be crazy. Just have to push Trump on details (which are lacking), get him mad, he'll do himself in. End of day, it's Electoral College, where Hillary has an even bigger lead. Some poll bookmarks I have:

http://www.usatoday.com/pages/interactives/poll-tracker-2016/#

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...s/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

http://www.270towin.com/maps/bMcf

Conventions:
Republican - July 18 - 21 - Trump or a brokered convention?
Democrat - July 25 - 28

 

[GILSAN]

Fiorina and Christie have dropped out. Carson should be next, leaving 5.

 

[JB Lions]

Was going thru old bookmarks from last election. Prediction market Intrade, doesn't look like it's operating anymore. Then you have Nate Silver, which pretty much is going to tell you who's going to win - http://fivethirtyeight.com/

Like Hillary is about to bury Sanders in SC, about 94% chance.

Need to start using that site for my NFL picks. Looks like he ventured into other areas as well.

These were the sites/people that predicted states electoral votes with high accuracy, somewhere like 48/49/50 out of 50.

 

[JB Lions]

Looks like that Oregon stuff is over, last of the loons have surrendered:

Final holdout at Ore. refuge surrenders after dramatic negotiations

"I am actually pointing a gun at my head. I am tired of living here," he said at one point. "You guys took away everything from me, for doing nothing wrong."

"In the end, Fry simply gave up, after telling an FBI negotiator by phone that he only wanted everyone to shout "hallelujah" if he walked out.

As he fumbled with the cellphone, Fry could be heard shouting, "hallelujah," and then said, "one more cookie and one more cigarette" before strolling to the FBI checkpoint."

There is one good comment that summarizes my understanding of all this:

Brad Cook · Chief Petty Officer, RET at U.S. Navy
Let me make this as clear as possible. I am an Independent, 22 year military VET who just happens to have been raised in the area where this is happening. These idiots ARE terrorists. They brought guns and did an ARMED takeover of public land and property. Their agenda is NOT based on anything remotely resembling anything patriotic. It is based on greed. The belief some ranchers have that they should be able to graze their herds (no matter their size, or the resulting devastation to the vegetation and landscape that is also needed by all our natural wildlife in this area), without having to pay a fee to do that. INSANE. All of us in this part of the country pay fees to use public lands. Whether it is to hunt/fish/camp on them.... cut down the annual christmas tree on them, etc. We expect that. We have no problem with that. The fee's help pay for the cost of MANAGING those lands and the wildlife so that the cycle of life on these lands CONTINUES for us and future generations to enjoy. That isn't rocket science. But these loony tune Bundys want to see all these public lands turned into PRIVATE lands. Mostly turned over to rancher/mining/timber interests who would immediately post those lands NO TRESSPASSING and make them no longer available for public enjoyment. Preserving what is left of the "wild" in this country for future generations to enjoy SHOULD be incredibly high on ANYONES list of worthwhile objectives. I can't even fathom that anyone would feel otherwise. To bring guns and by armed force threaten all of that, is a criminal act. It would be like me taking over your house by armed force for a month and then threatening to kill you if you moved against me to try and take it back. And then to have the gall to say, "OK I will give up if you drop all charges against me". Also INSANE. There is NOTHING hard to understand about that, except to people who are anti-government types who have personal self agendas that are not in the interest of the people as a whole. That is what is going on here. Nothing more or less.

 

[RogueWriter]

Trump cant do a one-on-one two hour debate with Hilary.

I disagree. He has so much content to work with. The biggest question for him would be, does he brutalize her with snarky comments about Benghazi, the fact that the Middle East went to hell under her watch, her apparent negligence in regards to communications security, or the untenable position her husband has put her in through his numerous infidelities.

 

[johname]

By the time we get to the general election people will expect more than "what we will do for ******* will be amazing" Trump will also have to give detailed responses to those boring civic subjects only a career politician can make protracted answers too.

Trump smart enough to study and hire tutors though.

 

[JB Lions]

I disagree. He has so much content to work with. The biggest question for him would be, does he brutalize her with snarky comments about Benghazi, the fact that the Middle East went to hell under her watch, her apparent negligence in regards to communications security, or the untenable position her husband has put her in through his numerous infidelities.

There's really not much there. Blaming Hillary for the Middle East? C'mon. Benghazi, Repubican led committees have cleared her. Her husband getting a bj, is old news. Not an issue that affects our daily lives.

Trump is going to have to get into details. Some I'm interested in.

How is he going to get Mexico to pay for a wall? And why would they?

How do you block a religion from coming into the country? Somebody could just say I'm non-religious or some other religion. How would you even check for that?

Deporting millions of people? How? Local, state, federal? Do we have people calling and turning in their neighbors?

He's good at building buildings, but this is something else. I don't think it's going to take much to make him look foolish live on TV.

This will be interesting to see how all this plays out, knowing the establishment don't really want him. But I called this many years ago with all that Patriot, Tea Party stuff. The can we trust Obama, is he one of us. The birther stuff, which I think is funny coming back on Cruz, who said you can't trust the Republican Party in the past. It got so bad McCain had to educate his own audience members and got booed in the process. This animal was created and now it's coming back on them.

Plus, the Republicans know and have known it's going to be Hillary all along and have focused on her. The Dems/Hillary don't know if it's going to be Trump for sure. Once they do and they focus on him, it's going to be another story.

 

[johname]

How is he going to get Mexico to pay for a wall?

Tax people or products crossing boarder. Or let Mexico know the benefits to the wall, and how it will allow them to tax their workers coming to USA for temp work.

How do you block a religion from coming into the country? Somebody could just say I'm non-religious or some other religion. How would you even check for that?

This is easy, Drop the M word and replace it with 'country historically linked to terrorist ideology'. And he is not trying to block people from coming, just have a quick pause until we fix the holes in the present system. This is a common business solution. i.e. stop the plant until the widget is produced the right way.

Deporting millions of people? How? Local, state, federal? Do we have people calling and turning in their neighbors?

This is the big one.

The proper answer would be whats on the law now. Say if you get pulled over for speeding, and undocumented, you go back. But the invading homes, sending famlys back, wont happen. Even Trump knows that.

 

[JB Lions]

Tax people or products crossing boarder. Or let Mexico know the benefits to the wall, and how it will allow them to tax their workers coming to USA for temp work.

Don't know, I haven't actually heard any specifics from him.

This is easy, Drop the M word and replace it with 'country historically linked to terrorist ideology'. And he is not trying to block people from coming, just have a quick pause until we fix the holes in the present system. This is a common business solution. i.e. stop the plant until the widget is produced the right way.

What if they come in thru Germany or some other country not historically linked to terrorist ideology. Unless it's something less drastic, like what Carter did back in the day.

 

[johname]

His position will be "USA has the upper hand on Mexico, when you have the upper hand you get things done"

I seen Mexican workers discarded phone cards. They spend a fortune talking to their Mexico relatives. The pipe line of money from USA to Mexico is big. Last thing Mexico wants is that to stop.

 

[JB Lions]

Another Dem debate just started, what is she wearing. Looks like fashion from the future -