The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[DubDubDubDot]

I thought you guys might be interested in the Murman.tel case study - they claim to have 250 paid listings, $8,000 revenue last month, and are growing fast. :tu:

Should have done it from a .ru where they would have had countless upsale options and the ability to expand beyond a bare bones directory.

Where have you been piggy? Working on closing your multiple $10,000 .tel sales?

 

[plaggypig]

Should have done it from a .ru where they would have had countless upsale options and the ability to expand beyond a bare bones directory.

Where have you been piggy? Working on closing your multiple $10,000 .tel sales?

The article says about half their revenue comes from up-selling premium services - sounds like they're doing alright to me!

I'm not in the market to sell. I'd buy more premium names if I could!

:great:

 

[Kate]

I thought you guys might be interested in the Murman.tel case study - they claim to have 250 paid listings, $8,000 revenue last month, and are growing fast. :tu:

If that is true, they must be capable of selling ice to the Inuits too.
But there are very few domainers that have such extraordinary sellings skills :gl:

 

[Ms Domainer]

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This sentence (from telnic.org) surprised me:

"No automatic updates or user logins are offered at this time, although such automated solutions may be added in future."

If this happens, this will change everything.



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[ecigs.net]

Should have done it from a .ru where they would have had countless upsale options and the ability to expand beyond a bare bones directory.

They are making enough money doing it this way. Why should they follow tradition earning models when this one is working fine? Get over your the-internet-has-to-be-the-way-DubDubDubDot-says-it-is mindset. There are other TLDs and other ways to do business. Everyone else is able to work outside the box, why can't you?

 

[whitebark]

If that is true, they must be capable of selling ice to the Inuits too.
But there are very few domainers that have such extraordinary sellings skills :gl:

Not to mention it's the internet - believe what you see with a large grain of salt!

I've even let my company name .tel expire - one or two visitors a month come from it - whoopee!

I find it odd that so many here spend so much time trying to fangdangle the most out of these domains when they can spend just a bit more, get a real domain and make a real directory/website with it. If my use of 'real' bothers you understand that I find any domain that restricts your use in any way is not a real domain.

Succeeding on the net is tough enough, being restricted just complicates matters and holds you back. Look for projects and opportunities that have many possible avenues for revenue.
That's the free WhiteBark tip of the day.

 

[Kate]

I find that NP is a hotbed of contrarian investing lately :talk:

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Why should they follow tradition earning models when this one is working fine? Get over your the-internet-has-to-be-the-way-DubDubDubDot-says-it-is mindset. There are other TLDs and other ways to do business. Everyone else is able to work outside the box, why can't you?

If working outside of the box means limiting your site to features that make it seem so 1995, no thank you.

Look at all of the monetization options. The upsell potential. The freedom to expand. Florists in 90210 - YELLOWPAGES.COM

Pretty much none of that can be done on .tel. Oops...

 

[stefanb]

Excellent example DubDub, of all the 25 florists listed on the first page, not one is located in 90210. Now, delivering flowers 100 miles away might work OK, but clearly it is not very practical to use the YellowPages to find a florist in 90210, and that is because the only reason why these florists are listed for 90210 is because they pay more to cover areas of hundereds of miles away with their advertising- some people do it for stupid reasons (like they do it in my field of work), while for others this type of advertising works well but is costly.

Nothing will stop Telnic to add to the Advanced Telpages a search field for the zip code to look for a florist in 90210 (Telnic might want to thank you for that one idea)- and if even one florist from 90210 gets a .tel, then the result of the search in Telpages would be more correct and more relevant than the search result from the Yellowpages. Don't get me wrong, I still advertise in the Yellowpages because it works even though it's expensive, but that doesn't mean that the Telpages will not be more popular than the Yellowpages in a few years.

Regarding the absence of .tel "believers" on Namepros, trust me that they are still reading the posts because they are sincerely interested in the subject for all the right reasons, but like myself many prefer not to post much because we are not trying to convice anybody of anything, so we channel our .tel time in more constructive avenues, like building our .tels and not arguing with the .tel "naysayers" whose business and purpose remain a mystery to me..... My wondering has to do with the fact that if .tel is a success, .tel naysayers have nothing to win, while if .tel is a failure, naysayers still have nothing to win. That being said, it remains very interesting to see different opinions on Namepros, and like in this case it helps Telnic to see ideas from the "naysayers".
So "Thank you Dub Dub" and I mean it in this case!

 

[ghoneim]

To drop or not to drop

Hey guys
I registered about 40 premium dot tels last year hoping what I hoped. Anyway, they are really cool domains, the ones which may get sold in big cash if they were dot coms. Now all of them are about to expire during next month and I'm short in cash, but things can be managed if I persist to keep them.

The thing is I started to wonder if this whole .tel invention would ever turn into something in future, or even worth its registration and renewal fees. However, I'm horrified from the idea of dropping them now then watching them after maybe several years go for big money

Which of these 2 ideas is closer to reality?
Should I wait until Adsense is integrated?
Does any .tel get decent traffic at the first place?
Do search engines like dot tels?

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I really need a genuine advice from a domainig expert; it's a very confusing situation.

The domains are:

define.tel
standards.tel
decoder.tel
businessmen.tel
still.tel
proof.tel
marketers.tel
advertisers.tel
pioneers.tel
innovators.tel
creators.tel
fixer.tel
analyzer.tel
jobsassistant.tel
psychoanalyst.tel
immigrants.tel
foodstore.tel
foodstores.tel
financialgroup.tel
donator.tel
loader.tel
careercoach.tel
fabricate.tel
fabricator.tel
fabricators.tel
middleschool.tel
feminist.tel
ethnicity.tel
faithful.tel
geneticist.tel
thoughtful.tel
minority.tel
efron.tel
sergeant.tel
lieutenant.tel
corporal.tel
midshipman.tel
drawer.tel
wrestlers.tel
multimillionaire.tel

 

[lzy]

I really don't see anything worth keeping from your list. I'd drop them all if I were you.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Keep advertisers.tel for sure.

Good solid generic term, and the plural works well.


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[MattheP]

Hey guys
I registered about 40 premium dot tels last year hoping what I hoped.

I would keep advertisers and foodstores (maybe marketers), and drop all of the rest.

 

[DubDubDubDot]

Excellent example DubDub, of all the 25 florists listed on the first page, not one is located in 90210.

They all obviously serve the 90210 area.

You missed the point anyway. Look at the monetization options from a webmaster perspective.

Should I wait until Adsense is integrated?
Does any .tel get decent traffic at the first place?

The pumper claim early on was that you could get a $15 keyword .tel, magically get a high ranking for that keyword and then funnel the traffic into your .com. I think this was based on the misconception that exact match domains get an automatic high ranking.

When treating .tel as a mini-mini-site, assume little to no traffic. You will need your own traffic sources.

I would keep Advertisers, but it's not amazing. Plural hurts it as a contact profile.

 

[spline]

Hey guys

define.tel
standards.tel
decoder.tel
businessmen.tel
still.tel
proof.tel
marketers.tel
advertisers.tel
pioneers.tel
innovators.tel
creators.tel
fixer.tel
analyzer.tel
jobsassistant.tel
psychoanalyst.tel
immigrants.tel
foodstore.tel
foodstores.tel
financialgroup.tel
donator.tel
loader.tel
careercoach.tel
fabricate.tel
fabricator.tel
fabricators.tel
middleschool.tel
feminist.tel
ethnicity.tel
faithful.tel
geneticist.tel
thoughtful.tel
minority.tel
efron.tel
sergeant.tel
lieutenant.tel
corporal.tel
midshipman.tel
drawer.tel
wrestlers.tel
multimillionaire.tel

I would definatly keep:

advertisers.tel
careercoach.tel
multimillionaire.tel



I would definatly drop:

ethnicity.tel

faithful.tel

thoughtful.tel

minority.tel

drawer.tel


I would consider dropping the following or more depending on your economy but would make som research first:

proof.tel
creators.tel

 

[valou]

do you think I must keep these

bays.tel
cods.tel
each.tel
loaf.tel
tray.tel
rifle.tel
friction.tel

 

[youdiezst]

do you think I must keep these

bays.tel
cods.tel
each.tel
loaf.tel
tray.tel
rifle.tel
friction.tel

I'd drop all. None of them fits well with .tel.

 

[hakita]

I'd drop all. None of them fits well with .tel.

+1

Try to think .tel as lastname, firstname, or phone services ( pizza.tel, credit.tel, taxi.tel, lawyer.tel ...)
Definitivly do not think .tel as .com or website, this is a major error. :td:

If you were about to drop John.tel or Robert.tel, i would have been please to buy it from you :gn:

 

[chader144]

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This sentence (from telnic.org) surprised me:

"No automatic updates or user logins are offered at this time, although such automated solutions may be added in future."

If this happens, this will change everything.



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cant wait for Oauth.. it might make things like this possible.

 

[valou]

+1

Try to think .tel as lastname, firstname, or phone services ( pizza.tel, credit.tel, taxi.tel, lawyer.tel ...)
Definitivly do not think .tel as .com or website, this is a major error. :td:

If you were about to drop John.tel or Robert.tel, i would have been please to buy it from you :gn:

If I had john.tel I would be very happy to sell it to you as I think first names are a waste of money unless a celebrity comes forward and buy it from you. Otherwise how can you commercialize John.tel? by creating a directory of all people whose first name is John?

It must be clear by now that unless there is commercial value to a domain, that domain is useless and has minimal or zero resell value. So in my opinion the domain name must reflect a REAL tangible object or service.
The domain market is similar to the stock market especially as regards dot tels. In this sense the current perspective of the tel domain market is based on anticipation rather than actual facts. Perceived services to be offered rather than REAL services

Thinking of a tel as com may be an option since you can just change name servers and redirect your tels to some real web site. The problem is though that you will not get much traffic from it.

Real problem with tels is that Telnic has really no vision , no imagination about their product and even worse they listen to all that crap advise on how to make tel directories.

Coming to directories, one must think the audience the directory addresses. For B2B services directories, the use of a tel may not be very appropriate. Businesses especially large ones do careful screening on their partners, suppliers and distributors. Simply they will not pick up the phone and call someone because he is listed in your tel dir. They visit exhibitions, trade fairs, consult financial services, industry reviews etc.

The use of tel directories must be thought as a B2C service with attention to the locality of the service i.e plumbers, electricians, florists, nurses etc are very good candidates to be listed in a tel dir. Nuclear scientists are not

Finally, the dot tel product has a future only if Telnic makes a few minor changes to it which will transform their offering to a complete mini-website. i.e allow text (5000 characters) as header, allow hyperlinks and introduce better navigation characteristics i.e back - next