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For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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fans of .tel always say that its an easy way for non tech type of people to make an online presence in an easy way. i was reading mashable today and they mentioned 2 new services called Magntize.com and Card.ly

these basically do the same thing as .tel but its completely free and i'm sure we will see more and more similar services coming out in the future.

Wrong. Those services just build pretty little web pages, and tie your identity to their domain. .tel is completely different - you own your domain, DNS is your semantic data store (standards), privacy, etc.
 
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fans of .tel always say that its an easy way for non tech type of people to make an online presence in an easy way. i was reading mashable today and they mentioned 2 new services called Magntize.com and Card.ly
The same argument could be used for Blogger, Facebook, MySpace etc...ie, there is no need to own your own domain when you can get these services for free. The problem is that these services are not really free if you consider your time as a resource. By using a free service to build a web presence, you increase the value of their service without creating any value for yourself. You are working to promote their company without pay nor benefits. It is always better to own your own domain and to use Web2.0 companies to promote it rather than not owning a domain and using your Web2.0 site as your homepage. That should be obvious.
 
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I'm looking for some information. Has anyone started a directory and starting to make money out of it yet? Preferably through paid listings or a percentage of sponsored listings. Of particular interest would be a geo directory.

The only comprehensive geo directory I have come across is prague.tel which appears to be a free service.

If you have and are starting to make some revenue, I would appreciate it if you could pm me please.
 
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Wrong. Those services just build pretty little web pages, and tie your identity to their domain. .tel is completely different - you own your domain, DNS is your semantic data store (standards), privacy, etc.
Typical pumper talking points that hold little water.

If having your own domain is super important for a social network (it's not), then chi.mp is free and you own your domain. Furthermore, even if it was important, once ICANN starts selling extensions to anyone who wants them for big bucks, all of the major social networks will have their own extension for each username in about two seconds. Thus removing one of the very few selling points of .tel.

Storage in the DNS doesn't mean anything to the average user. There is still a traditional web server involved to serve up the template and images. It cuts some time off of pulling data for apps, but usage of those remains to be seen and the time savings isn't that great anyway.

You talk about privacy, but what about public whois data? Yeah, you are going to set certain data on your .tel profile to private, but that's ok, .tel girl's stalker boyfriend will just go into the whois to get her new phone number.

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I'm looking for some information. Has anyone started a directory and starting to make money out of it yet? Preferably through paid listings or a percentage of sponsored listings. Of particular interest would be a geo directory.

The only comprehensive geo directory I have come across is prague.tel which appears to be a free service.

If you have and are starting to make some revenue, I would appreciate it if you could pm me please.
I occationally ask this. Nobody has been able to implement such a thing. When your directory doesn't get any traffic, it's kinda hard to sell placements. So many of the directory pumpers were planning on their .tel ranking high in Google for strong keywords, and it didn't happen (which should have been obvious).

Prague.tel is owned by someone who leases domains. They are just showing off what is possible.
 
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I deleted it after giving you some time to edit it.
This is not the appraisal forum.
 
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"If having your own domain is super important for a social network (it's not), then chi.mp is free and you own your domain. Furthermore, even if it was important, once ICANN starts selling extensions to anyone who wants them for big bucks, all of the major social networks will have their own extension for each username in about two seconds. Thus removing one of the very few selling points of .tel."

-Dubdubdub

No, you will still end up with lots of different user account names.
You also need people to login to facebook to contact you.

What do you think a doctor would like to put in an ad?

clinic.facebook
(when facebook is a dn)

or

clinic.tel?

If you have a .tel you can use it to collect all your information and it does not belong to any service.


A directory service will be more attractive to use once each .tel has a searchbox.


About the other services.

Those services arn't free $9 a month ads up to $108 a year. If you have it for 8 years thats atleast $864.
On top of that you will also need the domainname.

Compared to a .tel which has no monthly cost only the domainname, the rest is included.

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Results 1 - 10 of about 5,920,000 for * site:.tel. (0.29 seconds)

Is this a google bug? Once I click next the results goes down to
Results 11 - 20 of about 1,160,000 for * site:.tel. (0.05 seconds)
 
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Searchbox and navigation trees

A directory service will be more attractive to use once each .tel has a searchbox.

The most annoying thing you can do with a mobile device is typing, that is why I believe a searchbox is not the right solution to find info in a .tel domain.

What .tel domains owners should do is conceiving intuitive, efficient navigation trees in order to provide quick access to the info searched for.

KFA Technologies is currently beta-testing a feature (that will be included in Tellipse) designed to dynamically create navigation trees in a .tel domain: I'll keep you posted.
 
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Hi .Tel people,
I am a fan of .tel, own a handful and do feel that there is a place in the market for .tel and the service that they offer. One major problem I have noticed and believe is a huge hindrance to the growth of the .tel domain is the lack of development of some of the big geo city .tel domains especially in the UK. If potential visitors find absolutely no information when they type london.tel or NewYork.tel into their browser then little confidence is installed that they will find relevant or useful content on any other .tel domain.

After doing a quick search here is what I found.

UK cities
London.tel - undeveloped
Birmingham.tel - undeveloped
Leeds.tel - undeveloped
Glasgow.tel - undeveloped
Sheffield.tel - undeveloped
Edinburgh.tel - undeveloped
Liverpool.tel - undeveloped
Manchester.tel - undeveloped
Cardiff.tel - undeveloped
Belfast.tel - undeveloped
Nottingham.tel - undeveloped
Newcastle.tel - undeveloped

US cities
NewYork.tel - undeveloped
LosAngeles.tel - undeveloped
Chicago.tel - undeveloped
Philadelphia.tel - undeveloped
SanDiego.tel - undeveloped
SanFrancisco.tel - undeveloped
Boston.tel - undeveloped

The list goes on and is quite depressing...

Why would these premium .tel domains not have been developed or at least used at all by the people that own them? Have they been held back by Telnic ? If they had been registered for resale I would have assumed that the buyers would have put some basic information on them even if it was just for proof of concept to potential buyers (a small directory of public services or something like that).

Before the naysayers and general .tel downers start up the "you can’t develop a .tel domain" again what I mean by undeveloped is they hold no contact data relating to the city or services within the city or just have a link to the .tel hosting panel.

I am no .tel expert and just thought this was an interesting point, what do you experienced telsters think about this situation?
 
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What do you think a doctor would like to put in an ad?

clinic.facebook
(when facebook is a dn)

or

clinic.tel?
For business use, none of the above. The correct answer is ClinicName.com, which is probably available for reg fee.

Look at some clinic's sites and tell me that .tel is a reasonable alternative...
clinic website - Google Search

Anyone who says yes is either a noob, a pathological liar or a shill. 100% of .tel pumpers in this thread fall into one of those three.

And if someone talks about .tel's ease of use versus making sites like those, we can talk about the cost of doing business or talk about the page builder template systems a little more and how much more likely it is that they will continue to penetrate the non techie market before .tel reaches those people. Even the pumpers are upset that .tel hasn't spent big advertising money, but extensions really don't do this. They rely on the registrars to sell for them, and .tel can't even get on GoDaddy.
 
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For business use, none of the above. The correct answer is ClinicName.com, which is probably available for reg fee.

Look at some clinic's sites and tell me that .tel is a reasonable alternative...
clinic website - Google Search

Anyone who says yes is either a noob, a pathological liar or a shill. 100% of .tel pumpers in this thread fall into one of those three.

And if someone talks about .tel's ease of use versus making sites like those, we can talk about the cost of doing business or talk about the page builder template systems a little more and how much more likely it is that they will continue to penetrate the non techie market before .tel reaches those people. Even the pumpers are upset that .tel hasn't spent big advertising money, but extensions really don't do this. They rely on the registrars to sell for them, and .tel can't even get on GoDaddy.

The question was not if a .com was better or not.
It was what you stated a comparison of .facebook VS .tel

And sorry but I´m none of the above. If I think .tel will fail I will tell it.

Right now I don't think it will fail, I might change my mind but for me its to soon to draw any conclusion.

However its also about how you define words the words success and fail.
Some people think it is a fail if a domain such as lodon.tel is not worth $500.000 in a couple of month from launch, they will call it a fail.

Other think its a success if lodon.tel sells for $2000 in a couple of month from launch.

I´m not as quick as some people here to call it a fail or success.

If one call it a fail after a few month one would probably have been among the people who thought that people investing early in .com was crazy.

It took some years for .coms to become a success.

The judgement will for me fall in a couple of years.

I will continue to follow the development of .tel with excitement.
It takes time to change the world...
 
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You talk about privacy, but what about public whois data? Yeah, you are going to set certain data on your .tel profile to private, but that's ok, .tel girl's stalker boyfriend will just go into the whois to get her new phone number.

Telnic negotiated an opt-out with ICANN that allows individuals to withhold their personal information from the publicly accessible whois database (special access can be granted for legitimate and demonstrable needs).

Onto your other points, .tel is an open platform that's service agnostic - I want freedom, not to be locked in to any one provider like Facebook. They can sponsor their own TLD if they like, but presumably they'd tie registrants into their proprietary platform, so then what would be the difference between trapping my identity in facebook.com/me versus me.facebook? None. A better strategy for them would be to leverage utility out of .tel, which is what Digitrad/OrganIP recognises. :tu:
 
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Hi .Tel people,
I am a fan of .tel, own a handful and do feel that there is a place in the market for .tel and the service that they offer. One major problem I have noticed and believe is a huge hindrance to the growth of the .tel domain is the lack of development of some of the big geo city .tel domains especially in the UK....

I wholeheartedly agree.

Over 80% of generic .tel domains remain undeveloped primarily because they were snatched up by speculators and domainers, including all the major cities. There are scores of domainers who own 100's and 1000's of tel domains in their portfolios for future resale. The way around this roadblock is to develop geo-industry niche domains.

Still, there are a growing number of geo directories in production: prague.tel, yorkregion.tel, mayo.tel, maville.tel, taupo.tel. Each of these has seen a rise in SEO value due to being populated.

Personal domains are yielding the quickest development. Over 90% of those will full names have been populated very quickly by their owners, while the vast majority of first-name-only domains are unfortunately still being held (for ransom) by domainers.

Check out DotTEL domains with content | Developed .tel domains to find developed domains.
 
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I wholeheartedly agree.

Over 80% of generic .tel domains remain undeveloped primarily because they were snatched up by speculators and domainers, including all the major cities. There are scores of domainers who own 100's and 1000's of tel domains in their portfolios for future resale. The way around this roadblock is to develop geo-industry niche domains.

Still, there are a growing number of geo directories in production: prague.tel, yorkregion.tel, mayo.tel, maville.tel, taupo.tel. Each of these has seen a rise in SEO value due to being populated.

Personal domains are yielding the quickest development. Over 90% of those will full names have been populated very quickly by their owners, while the vast majority of first-name-only domains are unfortunately still being held (for ransom) by domainers.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the self-defeating plight of the domainer nowadays:

The development necessary to make a new extension popular and therefore profitable to domainers is hindered precisely because most of the best names are snapped up by large numbers of domainers with little-to-no intent of developing and who are usually unwilling to let their domains go for anything less than the high prices they expect to get once the extension becomes profitable. But when the potential end users who can't afford those high prices feel thwarted and don't bother developing in the new extension, that makes that extension less likely to be successful.

Sucks, doesn't it?
 
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how did they get those arrows in there?. I'll be waiting for your post Frenchie. :blink:

.tel now supports UTF-8 characters, so make your choice here for example :blink:
 
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Unfortunately, this seems to be the self-defeating plight of the domainer nowadays:

The development necessary to make a new extension popular and therefore profitable to domainers is hindered precisely because most of the best names are snapped up by large numbers of domainers with little-to-no intent of developing and who are usually unwilling to let their domains go for anything less than the high prices they expect to get once the extension becomes profitable. But when the potential end users who can't afford those high prices feel thwarted and don't bother developing in the new extension, that makes that extension less likely to be successful.

Sucks, doesn't it?

Yes, it's the chicken and egg dilemma brought on by speculators. But since the SEO value of long-tail subdomains of .tel is quite high, anyone can bypass the roadblock with some non-generic names and still develop effective directories.
 
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Personal domains are yielding the quickest development. Over 90% of those will full names have been populated very quickly by their owners, while the vast majority of first-name-only domains are unfortunately still being held (for ransom) by domainers.

The development necessary to make a new extension popular and therefore profitable to domainers is hindered precisely because most of the best names are snapped up by large numbers of domainers with little-to-no intent of developing and who are usually unwilling to let their domains go for anything less than the high prices they expect to get once the extension becomes profitable. But when the potential end users who can't afford those high prices feel thwarted and don't bother developing in the new extension, that makes that extension less likely to be successful.

Sucks, doesn't it?

There are investors, like me, that have no intention of flipping or parking domain names. My objective, over time, is to develop domain names from my company portfolio that offer the best potential for success while weeding out the rest along the way. Even though my company owns several thousand domain names, not a single one is parked nor being offered for sale. I want to make sure that what my company publishes to the Internet has the primary objective of enhancing the end user experience. If I can make that happen, I believe the monetary rewards will follow.

But what I am not doing is holding these domains hostage anymore than a land developer holds hostage the acreage purchased for future development. In the case of real property, so long as land it is not being "monetized" by putting it to use in a manner inconsistent with current zoning regulations, there is no problem. Why should it be different for the domain industry so long as the rules and regulations are being followed?

The names my company owns consist mostly of hand reg'd generic, descriptive domains which are the product of thousands and thousands of hours of research. Because I do not flip or park these domains, they are much like vacant land, and there is a cost associated with carrying them. I have no doubt that this economic downturn has created massive losses for many domain owners who purchased aftermarket domains when prices were near their peak and even for those domainers that hand reg'd hundreds or thousands of names that may currently not even be worth the initial registration fee. There was never a guarantee of success. That is the risk associated with an investment of this kind.

As for issues of exploitive behavior, sometimes the brush paints with too broad a stroke. My rule of thumb is not to piggyback on the success of others to turn a profit when the result would be to usurp or siphon business that is a legally protected right and/or clearly trying to go somewhere else.

When I heard an author speaking to an audience of several million listeners to announce a new book, I checked to see if the the book's title, “The Soul Genome” was registered as a domain name. When I saw that it was not, I registered it and immediately sent this email to the author:

“…… knowing the size of the Coast to Coast AM audience, it’s possible another person could register the domain names “TheSoulGenome.com” & “SoulGenome.com”, so I registered the domains – but only to hold them until I can transfer them over to you. I’m not looking to add these domains to my company’s portfolio or to be compensated for these registrations. It was just an opportunity for me to ensure that the names would go to you….”

I sent a similar email when I picked up GarryTrudeau.com (creator of Doonesbury) from a dropped list. After making initial contact with Mr. Trudeau's representatives, who expressed appreciation for my catch, I am continuing to redirect GarryTrudeau.com traffic to the Doonesbury official website until such time as I receive instructions for making a tranfer of the name to Mr. Trudeau's company. When I saw LorettaSwit.com appear on a dropped list, I immediately picked up the name. Despite my attempts to contact Ms. Swit or her representatives, I have not received a reply. Nonetheless, LorettaSwit.com traffic continues to flow to her personal website. Over the years, there have been several other defensive registrations like these.

I am not looking to be reimbursed for these few purchases. I believe if more people took similar actions, it would transform the way the domain industry is perceived. I raise these examples to balance the opinion of those who would claim that the business of buying, selling and developing domain names is inherently flawed. It is not.

When the day comes that I begin to see a significant return from my investment, it will not be the result of unethical business practices or having held intellectual property for ransom. It will have been brought about the old fashioned way - by having earned it.
 
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I raise these examples to balance the opinion of those who would claim that the business of buying, selling and developing domain names is inherently flawed. It is not.

When the day comes that I begin to see a significant return from my investment, it will not be the result of unethical business practices or having held intellectual property for ransom. It will have been brought about the old fashioned way - by having earned it.
I'm not necessarily saying that domaining is "flawed" -- it's just that there is an element of hurting one's own chances for profit when speculating in new extensions. While I've done some developing that I hope adds just a little to the overall Internet user experience, I'm also guilty of doing the exact thing that I was talking about in my previous post (although I don't traffic in holding intellectual property for ransom or other unethical behavior, and that's not the sort of thing that I was referring to -- and I don't think kprobe necessarily meant that either). It's just that by holding onto good generics, first names, and geos, we close off some avenues of development in the extension.

In any case, your approach to domaining is admirable, and if all domainers followed that approach, we'd certainly be seen in a somewhat better light...
 
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In any case, your approach to domaining is admirable, and if all domainers followed that approach, we'd certainly be seen in a somewhat better light...

Thanks. I appreciate your comment.

Side Note:

As of this posting, it looks like both the domains SoulGenome.com & TheSoulGenome.com have expired and are currently in the redemption period. Oh well...
 
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To wordwalker.
What an excellent business model. Thanks.
 
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