The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[Steven]

For all the Naysayers and for those who are interested, here's what Dot Tel .TEL is all about. Great article discussing how the world is going to adapt this technology because of ease of use and communication with others socially.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html?wlc=1237304081

Enjoy!

A quick excerpt of the article:

A Billion .Tel Identities by 2013

More than 1 billion .tel identities will be in use by 2013 if only one quarter of global cell phone users are included in .tel subdomains by their carriers. That depends on carrier adoption rates and on Telnic rolling out non-English character sets for the top-level domain (the .tel portion) and subsidiary levels, which it plans to begin by the end of 2009.

The prediction of 1 billion .tel identities is based on trends in mobile phone adoption around the world. Parks Associates forecasts that by 2013 there will be 4.5 mobile phone users worldwide. This compares to 3 billion in February 2008, when the International Telecommunication Union announced that the total number of global cell phone subscribers had exceeded half the population of the globe.

Cell phone access is within range of more than 80 percent of the world's population. The significance of .tel as a business accelerator and social networking tool will be most pronounced in developing markets, where 68 percent of cell phone subscribers live.

The prediction of 1 billion .tel identities does not provide a basis for forecasting the number of .tel domains to be registered by 2013. Most identities will be issued through cellular carriers and social networks such as MySpace . The number of second-level .tel domains registered through 2012 could stay below 5 million, before taking off in 2013 as third-level domain holders upgrade to brand themselves personally, achieve portability and gain direct access to .tel privacy and friending features.

Come on... This will never happen.
Not even that many registrations in .com
The mobile internet will be made so that you can browse any .com or website.tld on your mobile device in the future.
Technology is advancing. It's not stuck in time.

Also missing some steps.

Step 1: .tel released for public registration
Step 2: ...
Step 3: Success! $$$$$$$

 

[Shahid7]

so if someone offered you only $30 million USD for the domain shahid.tel you wouldnt sell it?

no i wouldn't, i am not talker when i say something i mean it.
what good does the money do when you want to sell your own
identity ?

why not be the only shahid.tel then be no one.

thanks anyways good luck to you.

 

[phase111]

so if someone offered you only $30 million USD for the domain shahid.tel you wouldnt sell it?

I would, and then I'd change my name to somemthing similar but likely also still available in .tel like Shahad (don't mean to offend, but if I was offered that kind of money, I'd change my name to almost anything
:sold:

 

[nrmillions]

no i wouldn't, i am not talker when i say something i mean it.
what good does the money do when you want to sell your own
identity ?

why not be the only shahid.tel then be no one.

thanks anyways good luck to you.

lol, your name would still be shadid but you just wouldnt own the domain shahid.tel anymore. i'm sure you would sell it for $30 million and even for much less unless you're crazy. if i owned my name in .com i would sell it for $30 million and so would almost anyone. if you feel that strongly then why dont you own shahid in all 250 domain extensions since that is your identity?

 

[Steven]

no i wouldn't, i am not talker when i say something i mean it.
what good does the money do when you want to sell your own
identity ?

why not be the only shahid.tel then be no one.

thanks anyways good luck to you.

hmm with $30 million dollars, I can create a tld of my name and have millions of money left over for my personal enjoyment.

 

[aliencafe]

I remember all the Naysayers when Google was in it's infancy.

Comments were; google could never even be in the top 1000 sites let alone compete with Yahoo.

Investment comments when Google was going to IPO: Google will flop what a complete waste of $85.00 a share.

Google went to $700 a share soon after IPO.

In three years Google overtook Yahoo and is in the #1 position financially and Search wise.

Why are the Naysayers wasting so much energy finding ways that .tel will never work out? Instead of embracing the technology that is first in doing things that have not been done before.

It was funny to see the Naysayers jump immediately on the negative bandwagon when I linked to the article showing .tel possibilities.

All the naysayers in the world laughed at Google and said why would we need another search engine at the time there are plenty...

great discussion...

 

[hasseily]

Would anyone mind explaining to me how the location (loc) works.

Very simple: in the DNS, you can enter LOC records. .tel specifications are that you are allowed a max of 1 LOC record per subdomain.
What's a LOC record?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOC_record

Basically: latitude, longitude, altitude and precision of the measurement.

Now in the spirit of keeping this thread from adding another few pages of "why in hell does Telnic stop us from adding more than 1 LOC record per subdomain?", here's the reasoning:
- if there's no LOC record, it's understood that the owner doesn't want or doesn't need the location shown.
- if there's one LOC record, then it's clear that this is the physical location of what's referenced in the subdomain.
- if there's 2 or more LOC records, nobody understands anything.

You can put as many LOC records as you want, just put 1 per subdomain and use the subdomain to explain what this LOC record is about.

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[phase111]

I remember all the Naysayers when Google was in it's infancy.

Comments were; google could never even be in the top 1000 sites let alone compete with Yahoo.

Investment comments when Google was going to IPO: Google will flop what a complete waste of $85.00 a share.

Google went to $700 a share soon after IPO.

In three years Google overtook Yahoo and is in the #1 position financially and Search wise.

Why are the Naysayers wasting so much energy finding ways that .tel will never work out? Instead of embracing the technology that is first in doing things that have not been done before.

It was funny to see the Naysayers jump immediately on the negative bandwagon when I linked to the article showing .tel possibilities.

All the naysayers in the world laughed at Google and said why would we need another search engine at the time there are plenty...

great discussion...

Okay fellow telsters (and everyone else for that matter)...here is one of the best articles Ive read on the future of .tel! Posted on the web only 7 hrs ago:
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html

 

[Billy2009]

they are just saying it will take until 2013 to keep people hoping and renewing for 4 years. When 2011 rolls around and nobody owns .tel and nobody knows what it is then domainers will say that they just have to wait a couple more years for it to take off, lol. No way in hell there will be 1 billion .tel domains registered. There arent even that many .com registered. No doubt that billions of people will be using mobile phones around the world but i dont see 25% of them registering .tel domain names. You could say the same thing about .mobi or anything else, that if only x percent of all users buy it then.... The problem is those numbers are EXTREMELY unrealistic. There arent even 1 billion people on MySpace or Facebook or anything. Most people on earth dont own a single domain name and dont even know what a domain name is.

1 person does not equal 1 identity.

Very simple: in the DNS, you can enter LOC records. .tel specifications are that you are allowed a max of 1 LOC record per subdomain.
What's a LOC record?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOC_record

Basically: latitude, longitude, altitude and precision of the measurement.

Now in the spirit of keeping this thread from adding another few pages of "why in hell does Telnic stop us from adding more than 1 LOC record per subdomain?", here's the reasoning:
- if there's no LOC record, it's understood that the owner doesn't want or doesn't need the location shown.
- if there's one LOC record, then it's clear that this is the physical location of what's referenced in the subdomain.
- if there's 2 or more LOC records, nobody understands anything.

You can put as many LOC records as you want, just put 1 per subdomain and use the subdomain to explain what this LOC record is about.

H

How difficult and expensive would it be to integrate GPS into the location records and have a location constantly changing?

lol, your name would still be shadid but you just wouldnt own the domain shahid.tel anymore. i'm sure you would sell it for $30 million and even for much less unless you're crazy. if i owned my name in .com i would sell it for $30 million and so would almost anyone. if you feel that strongly then why dont you own shahid in all 250 domain extensions since that is your identity?

I can understand Shahid's point of view. A persons name culturally can be extremely important, sometimes more than life itself.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Repped!

Thanks so much for this BALANCED article on .tel--the writer really delves into the intricacies of this TLD and offers some important caveats about re: adoption by cell phone companies and Asia.

Also, I don't see cellular companies giving out free third-level domains (Subdomain.CellularCo.tel) for two reasons:

1. Lack of privacy features on subdomains.

2. According to current TOS, inability of non-owner to manage third-level domains.​

They could, however, offer second-level domains to their customers, either for free or at a discount. In that case, yearly reg fee would have to drop significantly, which may be an option when cellular companies reg in bulk (or cost passed on to customers). The jury is still out on this one, however, and would never be a reason for my investment.

Good news: the app being created that would allow non-web mobiles to use .tel.

This is big.

My former assumption was that only internet-based mobiles could use .tel, so that investment would be long-term. But this app pretty much blows everything wide open and makes .tel highly feasible NOW.

Europe and Asia are places to watch; these areas tend to lead in terms of embracing new cellular technologies and will probably be first to adopt this TLD, IF Telnic begins supporting IDNs.

Twelve years ago (1997), when I lived in Brussels, EVERYONE had a cell phone--I was amazed because back home, almost no one did. (Back in the states, we had a big clunky phone, which was used ONLY for travel and emergencies because of roaming and expensive minutes). It was the first time I had seen people walking along and talking on their cell phones.

Within a few years that changed, but my point is: the U.S. is a bit slower in accepting new technologies than some other countries.

Anyway, one of the most comprehensive articles I have read on .tel.


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For all the Naysayers and for those who are interested, here's what Dot Tel .TEL is all about. Great article discussing how the world is going to adapt this technology because of ease of use and communication with others socially.

http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html?wlc=1237304081

Enjoy!

A quick excerpt of the article:

A Billion .Tel Identities by 2013

More than 1 billion .tel identities will be in use by 2013 if only one quarter of global cell phone users are included in .tel subdomains by their carriers. That depends on carrier adoption rates and on Telnic rolling out non-English character sets for the top-level domain (the .tel portion) and subsidiary levels, which it plans to begin by the end of 2009.

The prediction of 1 billion .tel identities is based on trends in mobile phone adoption around the world. Parks Associates forecasts that by 2013 there will be 4.5 mobile phone users worldwide. This compares to 3 billion in February 2008, when the International Telecommunication Union announced that the total number of global cell phone subscribers had exceeded half the population of the globe.

Cell phone access is within range of more than 80 percent of the world's population. The significance of .tel as a business accelerator and social networking tool will be most pronounced in developing markets, where 68 percent of cell phone subscribers live.

The prediction of 1 billion .tel identities does not provide a basis for forecasting the number of .tel domains to be registered by 2013. Most identities will be issued through cellular carriers and social networks such as MySpace . The number of second-level .tel domains registered through 2012 could stay below 5 million, before taking off in 2013 as third-level domain holders upgrade to brand themselves personally, achieve portability and gain direct access to .tel privacy and friending features.

 

[MicroGuy]

I remember all the Naysayers when Google was in it's infancy.

Comments were; google could never even be in the top 1000 sites let alone compete with Yahoo.

Investment comments when Google was going to IPO: Google will flop what a complete waste of $85.00 a share.

Google went to $700 a share soon after IPO.

In three years Google overtook Yahoo and is in the #1 position financially and Search wise.

Why are the Naysayers wasting so much energy finding ways that .tel will never work out? Instead of embracing the technology that is first in doing things that have not been done before.

It was funny to see the Naysayers jump immediately on the negative bandwagon when I linked to the article showing .tel possibilities.

All the naysayers in the world laughed at Google and said why would we need another search engine at the time there are plenty...

great discussion...

With your logic, every idea would succeed regardless of how terrible. If you're comparing .TEL to Google you must be drinking the Telnic Kool Aid again. IMHO.

 

[hasseily]

How difficult and expensive would it be to integrate GPS into the location records and have a location constantly changing?

It's straightforward. Your .tel is your own publishing database, so it all depends on your device.
Here's an example, with the My.tel iPhone app currently under review at Apple: you launch the app, go into the location tab, and you decide where on the map you want to LOC to be (at the position of your current GPS or somewhere else).
Right now iPhone OS 2.x doesn't allow background running apps. With version 3.0, I hope that the app will be able to ask the OS to notify it when the LOC has changed more than X meters/km/miles, and then it can launch itself and auto-update your .tel.
Other OSes will easily do this in the background. All you need is to use the Ajax API to log in to your Telhosting account, and call the storeLocation() method.

 

[Steven]

In regards, to http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html

phase111 and Ms Domainer, how can you guys actually believe in the article?
I know that it may feel good to read such an optimistic story, but it's so far-fetched that it's not even funny.
What happened to all the "I'm a realist" talk?

I remember all the Naysayers when Google was in it's infancy.

Comments were; google could never even be in the top 1000 sites let alone compete with Yahoo.

Investment comments when Google was going to IPO: Google will flop what a complete waste of $85.00 a share.

Google went to $700 a share soon after IPO.

In three years Google overtook Yahoo and is in the #1 position financially and Search wise.

Why are the Naysayers wasting so much energy finding ways that .tel will never work out? Instead of embracing the technology that is first in doing things that have not been done before.

It was funny to see the Naysayers jump immediately on the negative bandwagon when I linked to the article showing .tel possibilities.

All the naysayers in the world laughed at Google and said why would we need another search engine at the time there are plenty...

great discussion...

Can't we use a better analogy... something more realistic like a penny stock company instead of Google?

 

[Ms Domainer]

on another front... somebody picked off all the top airport codes

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Just be glad it wasn't you.

Some of these could very easily be taken away in UDRP--that is, if anyone else but the proper owners (airport authorities) have regged these.

There are some exceptions, of course: someone who regs them for his/her initials or if the designation happens to be a regular term.

I was going to give an example, but it is unregged and I hope it stays that way or that the rightful owner regs it.



It could be that the major ones were reserved, just like the country code TLDs.

(But not all, obviously.)


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Did you even READ my post?

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In regards, to http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html

phase111 and Ms Domainer, how can you guys actually believe in the article?
I know that it may feel good to read such an optimistic story, but it's so far-fetched that it's not even funny.
What happened to all the "I'm a realist" talk?



Can't we use a better analogy... something more realistic like a penny stock company instead of Google?

 

[siga]

Hasseily, Thanks for your reply and explanation. I'm still uncertain what dictates the loc to lead to google rather than for example the UKs OS Openspace api on a homepage.

Billy2009,
Your GPS question was what I was wondering myself. Using A-GPS and or GPRS cell locations you can show your location in Googles Latitude and publish your position to the net I'm guessing it must be possible to publish this to your .tel loc file. (if you wanted)

Looking forward to seeing other uses of the loc file coming out on .tel (possible integrated into a search bar! Please)


Has anyone come across the full list of reserved domains? I've come across a couple that cant be attributed to sunrise landrush and dont have a whois record such as countrys but are still taken an example would be org which is most likely a trademark.

 

[Kate]

I remember all the Naysayers when Google was in it's infancy.

Your comparison does not make sense.
Traditionally domain names have been monetized through web-based development.
That's how the Internet works. Of course you can't do that with .tel.
You have to find another monetization model. There are not so many alternatives. Vanity E-mail addresses maybe. It works if you have a really cool domain. It's hard to charge for such a service when there are free alternatives like gmail or hotmail.

Okay fellow telsters (and everyone else for that matter)...here is one of the best articles Ive read on the future of .tel! Posted on the web only 7 hrs ago:
http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html

Another writer that has no clue about the domain industry.

More than 1 billion .tel identities will be in use by 2013 if only one quarter of global cell phone users are included in .tel subdomains by their carriers. That depends on carrier adoption rates and on Telnic rolling out non-English character sets for the top-level domain (the .tel portion) and subsidiary levels, which it plans to begin by the end of 2009.

Yeah right.
Cellular carriers are not even embracing .mobi.

Businesses and individual entrepreneurs who find conventional Web site hosting too expensive will be able to establish an Internet presence and make it easy for customers to find them through a .tel domain or free sub-domain. This will have a particular appeal in developing countries.

Funny how the lack of web functionality is depicted as an advantage. We're not in 1995... Hosting is cheap nowadays. A business that cannot afford $50/y hosting ? What kind of businesses is that ?
Wake up people.

 

[phase111]

In regards, to http://www.ecommercetimes.com/story/web20/66510.html

phase111 and Ms Domainer, how can you guys actually believe in the article?
I know that it may feel good to read such an optimistic story, but it's so far-fetched that it's not even funny.
What happened to all the "I'm a realist" talk?



Can't we use a better analogy... something more realistic like a penny stock company instead of Google?

Im not suggesting that everything in the article is feasible, but it did raise some good questions and predict some interesting possibilities for .tel. His comparison to google should be seen in a specific context- how naysayers were quick to dash any hopes of as big as it has become...does not the same go for .tel.
I wouldn't have invested in .tel or be interested in it if it was just another web based tld, there are enough already (at least for the moment), the only recently released tld that has some hope in terms of an identity tld apart from .tel, .com and .net in my opinion is .me because it's short and describes its purpose very well with many possibilities and is also open to everyone to register. .Tel has a very specific purpose and Im not sure what is so hard to grasp about it for naysayers...I have seen more reason to register a .tel than not register a .tel (call me a realist if you must) it's all IMHO!

 

[hullswingerscom]

sun.tel
thesun.tel
looks like the papers in..a link to there page 3 looks a cert :tri:

 

[Kate]

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.Tel has a very specific purpose and Im not sure what is so hard to grasp about it for naysayers...I have seen more reason to register a .tel than not register a .tel (call me a realist if you must) it's all IMHO!

But we DO get it.
The situation is pretty simple.
There is no real way of monetizing because no development is possible. That alone is reason enough to stay away from that 'TLD'.
Domains that you can't monetize are liabilities. Or collectors' items if you insist , but they do not qualify as investments.
Like it or not, domains without web functionality are as useful as a parachute with holes in it.
Between 1985 and the WWW boom (1993 or so) domain names were not valuable, because the Internet had no killer app like the WWW.
The web changed everything.

sun.tel looks like the papers in..

Nothing spectacular about it.
For sure you won't want to visit that 'page' every morning. For the real think you follow the link to http://www.thesun.co.uk/.
Bookmarked.
Now that's the thing you would visit every day.
Byebye .tel.

Be careful with your money, there will be no bailout %%-

 

[Ms Domainer]

Hasseily, Has anyone come across the full list of reserved domains? I've come across a couple that cant be attributed to sunrise landrush and dont have a whois record such as countrys but are still taken an example would be org which is most likely a trademark.

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All the global and country code TLD terms have been reserved by the Telnic registry; I saw the list, which is accessible on Telnic's site.


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