The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[hullswingerscom]

nahhh you cant make dosh with tel
Mod Edit:
No adult.

 

[NathanJacob]

Hello

Does anyone can tell if this is actually possible for me to host my own .tel DNS , in order to customize DNS query result.

Exemple, I would like to customize DNS query result ON THE FLY, depending on factors, like requester IP location.

It there any ready to use open solution to do this ? or does i have to customize a DNS source code ?

Best regards

You would not be able to host your own .TEL as the DNS resolution for .TEL is different unlike your other TLDs...

You can have a look at the following link for any queries: http://telnic.org/faq.html

 

[MicroGuy]

You would not be able to host your own .TEL as the DNS resolution for .TEL is different unlike your other TLDs...

Actually. Telnic management assured us (several pages ago) that anyone can host a .TEL and operate their own DNS server as long as they agree to certain terms and conditions and get approval by the registry.

It will interesting to see the first Telster Freedom Fighters™ open the doors to liberty.

 

[hakita]

Actually. Telnic management assured us (several pages ago) that anyone can host a .TEL and operate their own DNS server as long as they agree to certain terms and conditions and get approval by the registry.

It will interesting to see the first Telster Freedom Fighters™ open the doors to liberty.

Sure, i will contact them and ask what are those terms and conditions
Regards

 

[chader144]

@hakita

MicroGuy is correct. Below should help answer your dns question.

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Finally, regarding DNS servers, anyone will be able to run their own DNS servers for .tel provided that:
1- The AUP is abided by
2- They become an accredited Telhosting provider and provide Telhosting to all their users.

Becoming an accredited Telhosting provider will be free. The accreditation simply entails abiding by the Telhosting APIs set by Telnic. You can run the open source Telhosting software that will be provided by Telnic, or you can build your own. You just need to have the same set of APIs. The reasoning behind this is simple:
The DNS is a database. There's already a well-know API for reading from the DNS (the DNS lookups that every device does), and Telnic has specified APIs for writing to the .tel DNS zones. That's what Telhosting is for. Imagine you download my "My.tel" app from the iPhone app store (going to be submitted in the next couple of days), it has to work whatever Telhosting provider you use. Which means they all have to abide by the same APIs.
Anything else is fair game...

 

[hakita]

@hakita
MicroGuy is correct. Below should help answer your dns question.

That is surely good news.
As soon as it will be possible to customize .tel answer based on external factor, the .tel added value will increase.

Exemple of use:
- police.tel could contact the CLOSEST police station... usefull, no ?
- plumber.tel could contact the CLOSEST plumber
and prostitute.tel , hummmm, no clue...

:]

Imagine, some other factor that could alter responsse.

Drink.tel
If you call from a warm place, send you to iced drink contact point
If you call from cold place, send you to hot drink contact point
And this is just a stupid idea...

 

[Shahid7]

I would take that $30Mil and buy shadid.com for 30000 or whatever

thanks, good luck to you and i hope you do get it.

i am happy with what i own shahid.me and shahid.tel and hope to buy more in the near future

Please do check www.aids.tel and let me know what you think about it
its not fully updated or anything just made into countries when you go
there you will get the idea about it.

 

[chader144]

Interesting that this company is going in a different direction then what I had envisioned. They are giving you a telephone number and then routing on their system the proper contact location.

Digitrad will leverage the .tel information by providing a "multimedia phone number" that will ring wherever the person happens to be—at his desk, in the office, or on his mobile. A call can also be put through directly to a person's computer whenever or wherever they are connected.

For each purchase of a .tel domain by a business customer, Digitrad will provide a vanity phone number, a virtual switchboard, a unified voicemail system, click-to-call solutions, and voice-over-IP services.

 

[Kate]

Geolocation is easy to do using conventional methods: a real domain + web hosting.
All that you need is capture the IP address of the visitor and look up against
an IP database.

With .tel it's way more difficult to achieve. You would need to be able to tap to incoming DNS queries. Actually I even doubt you can get the IP this way.

 

[chader144]

That is surely good news.
As soon as it will be possible to customize .tel answer based on external factor, the .tel added value will increase.

Exemple of use:
- police.tel could contact the CLOSEST police station... usefull, no ?
- plumber.tel could contact the CLOSEST plumber
and prostitute.tel , hummmm, no clue...

This would take a little thinking but it is possible and maybe easy (relatively speaking). When they dial the number / enter police.tel you can grab the origin of the number like the area code then use a method to lookup that region in your .tel.

 

[MattheP]

Exemple of use:
- police.tel could contact the CLOSEST police station... usefull, no ?

Who is going to list all police stations in the world into the dns-based directory listing?

 

[plaggypig]

Does anyone can tell if this is actually possible for me to host my own .tel DNS , in order to customize DNS query result.

You could become an accredited TelHosting provider and run your own nameservers, but what you suggested is definitely not the right way to provide location based services.

Looking up the registered location of an IP address is not very accurate. In my case, it would be about 50 miles away from my actual location, and if you're using a mobile device then it could theoretically be hundreds of miles away.

The correct approach would be to build location based queries into client .tel applications. You could ask the GPS receiver for the latitude/longitude and then query a specialist search service (would probably have to be remote) for the most appropriate domain entry point. The problem is that this requires an extra lookup, slowing you down.

Obviously DNS querying is FAST, so browsing up and down .tel directory structures is very responsive - I doubt users would want to sacrifice any of this just for a prediction for what you think they want.

A more elegant solution might be to incorporate bookmarking into .tel client applications.. sounds boring, but I think it would be far more useful.

I have some other ideas for location based services, but I don't want to discuss them until I've gotten a head start

 

[hakita]

Geolocation is easy to do using conventional methods...
With .tel it's way more difficult to achieve. You would need to be able to tap to incoming DNS queries. Actually I even doubt you can get the IP this way.

Why ?
A tcp request remain a tcp request ( .tel or not). their is always a source IP that can be played against a geoDB. this is not more difficult from a DNS binary that from a Web application.

 

[plaggypig]

Why ?
A tcp request remain a tcp request ( .tel or not). their is always a source IP that can be played against a geoDB. this is not more difficult from a DNS binary that from a Web application.

Clients query their network service providers resolvers, rather than authoritative nameservers, and those resolvers could in turn query other DNS servers along a chain, all of which maintain cached records. This is exactly why DNS queries have such low latency, because you don't have to go very far in order to get queries answered. So if you tried to propagate your location prediction through the DNS chain you might end up with some very strange results at the end of it!

Incidentally this is also the same reason why you can't know how many "hits" your .tel has had (though we could use logs from the web proxy as a sample).

So anyway, trying to implement location based preidction stuff at the DNS level is not the right way to do it, would be one big headache, and would create more problems than it solves.

Edit: Check your .tel's on the web people - pretty URLs

 

[nrmillions]

That is surely good news.
As soon as it will be possible to customize .tel answer based on external factor, the .tel added value will increase.

Exemple of use:
- police.tel could contact the CLOSEST police station... usefull, no ?
- plumber.tel could contact the CLOSEST plumber
and prostitute.tel , hummmm, no clue...
...

yea and imagine if something happened and you went to police.tel and it was owned by a domainer and didnt connect you to the police or went to plumber.tel and it only had links to porno sites since it was also owned by a domainer. instead you could open up a yellowpages app on your phone and it will automatically detect your location and connect you to the real places you are looking for.

 

[Work In Progress]

yea and imagine if something happened and you went to police.tel and it was owned by a domainer and didnt connect you to the police or went to plumber.tel and it only had links to porno sites since it was also owned by a domainer. instead you could open up a yellowpages app on your phone and it will automatically detect your location and connect you to the real places you are looking for.

or maybe dial 911

 

[Ms Domainer]

or maybe dial 911

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Yes, if you're in the US.

However, in other countries (in particular, developing countries), emergency numbers/contacts tend to be fragmented.

Not everyone uses 911.

Remember, this is a global TLD.



*

 

[Jawed]

However, in other countries (in particular, developing countries), emergency numbers/contacts tend to be fragmented.

fragmented?

for example?

 

[chader144]

@plaggypig Good call... the .dot tel resolves to a much nicer url. (the correct url display)

 

[phase111]

@plaggypig Good call... the .dot tel resolves to a much nicer url. (the correct url display)

Wow, now that looks loads better! To me, this has proven that telnic do indeed listen and take action on common opinion...great news!