The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[steveteva]

I'll discuss possible refund strategies tomorrow. It may be possible to recoup some of your investment if you act quickly. Good night everyone.

Excellent idea, I'm in.

 

[Billy2009]

Refunds Here!

I'll discuss possible refund strategies tomorrow. It may be possible to recoup some of your investment if you act quickly. Good night everyone.

It is uncanny the similarities between the discussions here and the discussions on stock market bulletin boards before a new issue. There are pumpers, dumpers, hikers, pikers, insiders, outsiders, and everyone in between - I love it!!!!

I know from stocks that the outcomes are different to what most people believe they will be.

I have missed out on some .tel's I wanted. In stocks, if something is good a 'grey market' develops before the listing date. If you want a REFUND for you pre-reg. or purchase, please PM me the name(s) and if I like it I will buy it by negotiation if I can fully reg. it come 24th March. A limited number, of course and subject to my approval!

I actually don't see these as domains (TLD's). They seem to be something different which I personally think is valuable.

Will respond to all PM's.

 

[Kate]

Some people still don't get it
It's all about storing contact information in the DNS. Do not expect anything more.

The bottom line is that .tel is not a web product :yell:
The dull generic web pages that you see when typing a .tel are nothing more than an interface to the data stored in the DNS.
Hence Telnic are not concerned about the proxy redirect. If it were up to them they could get rid of the web interface altogether.
For that same reason, the SEO aspect is simply irrelevant... you have no control over the pages. No control over the contents. Why should you... these are not websites.

Hopefully it's going to sink in - people will finally understand those $300+ preregs are worthless and clearly not worth the money

 

[phase111]

Some people still don't get it
It's all about storing contact information in the DNS. Do not expect anything more.

The bottom line is that .tel is not a web product :yell:
The dull generic web pages that you see when typing a .tel are nothing more than an interface to the data stored in the DNS.
Hence Telnic are not concerned about the proxy redirect. If it were up to them they could get rid of the web interface altogether.
For that same reason, the SEO aspect is simply irrelevant... you have no control over the pages. No control over the contents. Why should you... these are not websites.

Hopefully it's going to sink in - people will finally understand those $300+ preregs are worthless and clearly not worth the money

Haha, well if they are not worth the money, it's interesting to note just how many names have been taken at $300+ a pop worldwide...almost all decent generics for a start, not to mention a massive amount of trademark companies. The rule of supply and demand still goes... the better generics will be worth a premium and that's before .tel even takes off IMO. Even short term investors with decent names are sure to win out after GA on resale.
8^X

 

[Ms Domainer]

As a web developer and a domainer that enjoys a certain status, I think that it's my duty to inform those that are lesser informed about what .tel is and what it isn't. If you knowingly register .tel domains to get pages looking like this one then I won't feel sorry for you. But to promote .tel as the next best thing since sliced bread is akin to criminal. Some people haven't learned from the examples of .mobi and .asia, I guess three times is a charm.

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To Johnny-come-lately naysayers:

Have you even read through this thread?

Investors are aware of so-called "limitations" of .tel

I'll say this again: I invested in .tel BECAUSE of these limitations, not despite them.

As for spamming: have you seen some of those spam and parked .com pages? Some nasty stuff out there.

To me, those are the REAL spam sites.

When you click on a .tel link, you are not going to get a spam page. True, you might find a link to such a site, but that's the nature of the web. Get over it--There is no such thing as 100% safe web surfing.

Sure, spamsters and scamsters will try to use .tel for their nefarious deeds, but that is always true of ANY TLD.

Come back when you have something useful to reveal.


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Does anyone have pointers to the ICANN proceedings regarding the approval of .tel ? When .xxx gets turned down and a white page TLD gets approved, something's going on.

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I wish ICANN would approve .xxx.

AND relegate porn to its own dark corner of the web.

Now back to .tel

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[Kate]

Haha, well if they are not worth the money, it's interesting to note just how many names have been taken at $300+ a pop worldwide...almost all decent generics for a start, not to mention a massive amount of trademark companies. The rule of supply and demand still goes... the better generics will be worth a premium and that's before .tel even takes off IMO. Even short term investors with decent names are sure to win out after GA on resale.
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Funny isn't it ? The blind leading the blind :gl:
But nobody can help somebody against his/her will.
After all you're not free if you don't have the freedom to make costly yet avoidable mistakes.
God bless you.

Investors are aware of so-called "limitations" of .tel

I would hope so but I'm having doubts. When I see talk of SEO with .tel domains I smell something wrong :lala:
I just can't wait to see your grabs in action.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Some people still don't get it
It's all about storing contact information in the DNS. Do not expect anything more.

The bottom line is that .tel is not a web product :yell:
The dull generic web pages that you see when typing a .tel are nothing more than an interface to the data stored in the DNS.
Hence Telnic are not concerned about the proxy redirect. If it were up to them they could get rid of the web interface altogether.
For that same reason, the SEO aspect is simply irrelevant... you have no control over the pages. No control over the contents. Why should you... these are not websites.

Hopefully it's going to sink in - people will finally understand those $300+ preregs are worthless and clearly not worth the money

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REALLY! ​

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[Kate]

We get it

Well hopefully you get it, but not everybody does
Looking back a few posts earlier it is painfully obvious some people still expect .tel to evolve into something more 'mature'. It won't.
Teething problems ? What you've got is the real product. Don't blame Telnic if you don't like what you see. Indeed they listen to the input of their customers: domainers. The bulk of their customer base is in this thread.

I .tel it like it is. And if you think I'm being too harsh, look at what I said about .mobi back then. At least with .mobi there is hope. Prove me wrong.

 

[phase111]

Funny isn't it ? The blind leading the blind :gl:
But nobody can help somebody against his/her will.
After all you're not free if you don't have the freedom to make costly yet avoidable mistakes.
God bless you.

So your saying your blind! All good, now I understand. Market forces are what they are, you should know this in your historical review of the future.
:gl:

 

[Ms Domainer]

Well hopefully you get it, but not everybody does
Looking back a few posts earlier it is painfully obvious some people still expect .tel to evolve into something more 'mature'. It won't.
Teething problems ? What you've got is the real product. Don't blame Telnic if you don't like what you see. Indeed they listen to the input of their customers: domainers. The bulk of their customer base is in this thread.

I .tel it like it is. And if you think I'm being too harsh, look at what I said about .mobi back then. At least with .mobi there is hope. Prove me wrong.

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Who doesn't get it is some of the registrars (e.g., Dynadot) who have set up .tel like regular TLDs.

This was the issue I brought up a few days ago, after I logged into my account and found the standard choices that I would get with .com, etc.

This is the confusion to which you allude.

Telnic needs to address this (and soon).


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[phase111]

Well hopefully you get it, but not everybody does
Looking back a few posts earlier it is painfully obvious some people still expect .tel to evolve into something more 'mature'. It won't.
Teething problems ? What you've got is the real product. Don't blame Telnic if you don't like what you see. Indeed they listen to the input of their customers: domainers. The bulk of their customer base is in this thread.

I .tel it like it is. And if you think I'm being too harsh, look at what I said about .mobi back then. At least with .mobi there is hope. Prove me wrong.

Firstly, I think it's idiotic to say that the bulk of the customer base is made up from domainers and even more specifically, domainers in this thread. I only have a small amount personally (that can be counted on both hands), others have a few more than me and many a good few less...still you have thousands unaccounted for just in generics alone. Also, You're not .telling it like it is, you are only .telling it how you see it yourself- same as me!

 

[Kate]

So your saying your blind! All good, now I understand. Market forces are what they are, you should know this in your historical review of the future.
:gl:

Which market are you talking about ? I don't see any
If I'm blind my experience and sixth sense should more than offset my impaired vision :p

Who doesn't get it is some of the registrars (e.g., Dynadot) who have set up .tel like regular TLDs.

Oh well I have never thought this would be an issue actually. As if it would make a difference.

 

[cobo]

Exactly Billy!
We bought the names that we will be keeping to simply attempt to control the niche and steer all traffic to our sites.
No plans for other company listings on these sites at this time, if ever.
If (and we do acknowledge it's speculative nature) this .tld turns out to be anything near a "yellow pages" style directory, then our chosen generic keyword domains drive targeted traffic directed to our sites and we increase business. Simple, effective.
Just a directional advertising method for us.
That, my fellow genius wizards, is called smart marketing!
Why don't the naysayers get that? Sheeesh ...
I guess that is why some of us make the really big bucks and others are just wannabees. No guts, no glory!
And in my personal opinion, if one is afraid to try, then they are already a wimp!
As for failure, one could say that the truly great ones have "failed" their way to success. I know that I have!
Naysayers ... :bah: Time wasting square-heads!
Who asked the naysayers to try and save us anyway?
They should go and" save" their own ignorant asses! We don't need ya!
Critical thoughts? Counterpoints? All I have seen throughout this thread is a lack of critical thinking on the part of all naysayers.
It seems that they are not even open to possibilities!
Kinda reminds me of "Thick as a Brick" by Jethro Tull.

 

[Billy2009]

Please PM .tel domain names you want to sell to me. None have come yet.

 

[Kate]

Cobo, .tel me where 'traffic' is supposed to come from ?
Does .tel have the untold, magic property to draw 'traffic' ?

The fact remains that:

• nobody knows about .tel outside domaining circles
• .tel has no industry backing, you don't take on the whole world without an army and allies.
• nearly all newer extensions have failed without producing millionaires. Think .tel is any different ? How often do you type in/visit odd extensions ? Try to answer honestly and put yourself in the shoes of a non-domainer.
• quite frankly, nobody cares nor sees the need outside your cozy bubble of .tel stakeholders
• consumers don't like to change their habits - historically registries have overestimated their ability to change consumer behaviors.
• Because no real SEO is possible you can't compete with other established extensions. .tel is at the edge of the Internet. Why should you compete with other extensions, I hear you say, since .tel is unlike any other TLD ? Well you need to compete for mindshare.

The naysayers don't lack critical thinking, you lack the substance to back up your dreams. None of the valid points raised by the skeptics were addressed adequately.

Give me one realistic way of monetizing .tel domains, not some wild speculation of what *might* happen in your dreams.

This is a domaining forum, if you want to talk nonsense why not but expect to meet skepticism, tough questions and critical thinking. 'If', 'could', 'possible' are a far cry from reality.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Which market are you talking about ? I don't see any
If I'm blind my experience and sixth sense should more than offset my impaired vision :p

Oh well I have never thought this would be an issue actually. As if it would make a difference.

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With all due respect, you are NOT being helpful at all.

Your tone is snippy and self-important.

I call it like I see it


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[chader144]

@sdsinc

Curious to know if you would be purchasing a .tel during GA? And would you recommend to companies or end users wanting a way to communicate their contact information (at GA prices)? I can assume your a healthy skeptic at 300 but when it hits 20 will it still be there?

 

[Steven]

Cobo, .tel me where 'traffic' is supposed to come from ?
Does .tel have the untold, magic property to draw 'traffic' ?

The fact remains that:

• nobody knows about .tel outside domaining circles
• .tel has no industry backing, you don't take on the whole world without an army and allies.
• nearly all newer extensions have failed without producing millionaires. Think .tel is any different ? How often do you type in/visit odd extensions ? Try to answer honestly and put yourself in the shoes of a non-domainer.
• quite frankly, nobody cares nor sees the need outside your cozy bubble of .tel stakeholders
• consumers don't like to change their habits - historically registries have overestimated their ability to change consumer behaviors.
• Because no real SEO is possible you can't compete with other established extensions. .tel is at the edge of the Internet. Why should you compete with other extensions, I hear you say, since .tel is unlike any other TLD ? Well you need to compete for mindshare.

The naysayers don't lack critical thinking, you lack the substance to back up your dreams. None of the valid points raised by the skeptics were addressed adequately.

Give me one realistic way of monetizing .tel domains, not some wild speculation of what *might* happen in your dreams.

This is a domaining forum, if you want to talk nonsense why not but expect to meet skepticism, tough questions and critical thinking. 'If', 'could', 'possible' are a far cry from reality.

I want to see how realistically one can make money out of a .tel site.
You can't even get your .tel name into any search engine if it redirects to some other site.

 

[Billy2009]

Cobo, .tel me where 'traffic' is supposed to come from ?
Does .tel have the untold, magic property to draw 'traffic' ?

The fact remains that:

• nobody knows about .tel outside domaining circles
• .tel has no industry backing, you don't take on the whole world without an army and allies.
• nearly all newer extensions have failed without producing millionaires. Think .tel is any different ? How often do you type in/visit odd extensions ? Try to answer honestly and put yourself in the shoes of a non-domainer.
• quite frankly, nobody cares nor sees the need outside your cozy bubble of .tel stakeholders
• consumers don't like to change their habits - historically registries have overestimated their ability to change consumer behaviors.
• Because no real SEO is possible you can't compete with other established extensions. .tel is at the edge of the Internet. Why should you compete with other extensions, I hear you say, since .tel is unlike any other TLD ? Well you need to compete for mindshare.

The naysayers don't lack critical thinking, you lack the substance to back up your dreams. None of the valid points raised by the skeptics were addressed adequately.

Give me one realistic way of monetizing .tel domains, not some wild speculation of what *might* happen in your dreams.

This is a domaining forum, if you want to talk nonsense why not but expect to meet skepticism, tough questions and critical thinking. 'If', 'could', 'possible' are a far cry from reality.

Personally, I am not discussing any business plans I have for my .tel domain names for obvious commercial reasons. I would assume that other people with .tel commercial applications do not discuss their plans for similar reasons.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Back in 1985, someone took a chance and regged Symbolics.com.

I'm quite sure the tech and business community thought that this .com stuff was wild speculation and that this far-sighted person was totally nuts and involved in magical thinking about the future of this new-fangled and very convoluted geek-driven internet.

We see how that turned out. A few years later, a new browser called Mosaic changed the way the internet was accessed, opening it up to everyone.

Now I'm not saying that we should all abandon our .coms--in fact, I just bid on one today. I'm not even saying that .tel will topple the Yellow Pages.

What I AM saying is that .tel can be used in conjunction WITH other TLDs (in particular, .com or ccTLDs, which are very popular now, though I think they're riskier than .tel because unless one understands the language and culture of the host ccTLD, one can make major investment gaffes and even end up buying an "insulting" or local TM domains).

I respect one's decision NOT to invest in .tel. It is NOT for everyone. If one is a web developer and already holds a premium dot com portfolio, it might not make sense. And for those who simply don't want to invest and/or feel that .tel will bomb, then don't invest. That's cool.

Also, perhaps newbies ought to refrain from landrush registrations of any kind; I even said this in another thread.

For those of you who invested and are having second thoughts, well, that's part of investing. And if you invested without knowing the limitations of .tel, I don't know what to say except that the info was out there (including here) and NOT just on Telnic, either.

Do I wish that integration of the .tel platform were smoother? Of course! I have been questioning some of the strange glitches I have encountered.

I also know that start ups of any kind tend to have birthing pains.

And some don't make it; this is what one has to understand about high-risk investments; don't re-mortgage your house or take food from your family to do it. Of course, if one is young and single and has discretionary funds, it might be worth it, but even then, you have to ask yourself, "What can I risk that will stay within my financial comfort zone?"

I'm at a point in my life that if .tel goes south (which I don't think it will, though it may not realize the current high-talking hype), it won't have a significant impact on my financial life.

For those of you who are having second thoughts, I'm in the process of setting up an aftermarket site, where listings will be free.

I'm not prepared to announce it on this forum yet (this may not be the right thread anyway), but there will be opportunities to sell your .tels and not just on my site.

For now, if you're feeling buyer's remorse, simply don't reg anymore landrush domains and start thinking about your marketing plan for the ones that you have.

If you have pre-booked GA .tels, I think you'll be okay. Chances are, someone will take some of them in landrush OR a GA from another (maybe faster) registrar.

Also, I think GA's will be easy to sell in the aftermarket if you don't set a too-high price.

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Personally, I am not discussing any business plans I have for my .tel domain names for obvious commercial reasons. I would assume that other people with .tel commercial applications do not discuss their plans for similar reasons.

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I also have a business plan in mind that I would not wish to discuss until after landrush is over, for the same reasons that Billy2009 has stated.


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