The .TEL Discussion Thread

[brendan52190]

Hi

For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?

 

[FreakySteve]

And why is Get your .tel About Telnic is showing every .tel domain footer? Is that because "Telnic" is providing free hosting? OR it will go away after go live period starts? I wonder nobody concern over branding their .tel domains.

Thank you for bringing this up.
I had noticed those links as well and was hoping they were temporary.

 

[hullswingerscom]

thanks onlinelife...
as for the footer showing tel...we do need them to sell well, so i think its a good thing
if they sell more tels so be it!

 

[Ms Domainer]

And why is Get your .tel About Telnic is showing every .tel domain footer? Is that because "Telnic" is providing free hosting? OR it will go away after go live period starts? I wonder nobody concern over branding their .tel domains.

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Actually, I don't see this as a bad thing.

After all, the more .tel domains regged, the better it is for the TLD--and for us.

Still, after the official live period begins, perhaps an opt-out should be provided, especially if we're forced to pay extra for telnic panel access.

ADDED: We can't really expect any updates from Telnic until tomorrow; it is late at night in the UK.




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[hullswingerscom]

snap...lol

 

[FreakySteve]

I'm figuring (or hoping) that opt-out will happen after GA.

I am completely for promoting dot-tel and seeing as many of them get registered as possible, but I would like the choice of who to point my traffic to rather than a link to the entire list of registrars.

 

[hullswingerscom]

the dot tel dashboard is way to clunky maybe this will get better in time but as it is now its very poor.its ok to add your own details but not much more.
with no search there is little point.

it work fine for your own details and realy that is what it realy was for in the first place.

 

[onlinelife]

thanks onlinelife...
as for the footer showing tel...we do need them to sell well, so i think its a good thing
if they sell more tels so be it!

Good to see more people agree to let go that footer.
Yes, more sell is always good for us and Telnic but if someone wants to rent/lease space on their .tel domains, this is one of the feature will surly kill our sales.

 

[plaggypig]

Justin kindly answered a few questions for me and confirmed what I already knew, so hopefully I can clear up some of the recent confusion here:

At this stage Telnic is providing TelHosting to all of the registrars, since the launch of the TLD itself has so far been the paramount objective for all concerned. Telnic will continue this for the foreseeable future, does not charge registrars for it, and has no plans to charge either. There should be no expectation for any "hidden" charges to emerge - any suggestion otherwise is simply FUD.

Telnic will accredit applicants for TelHosting as soon as they can. ANYONE will be able to apply, and it will be FREE to do so.

The TelHosting software is open source and will be freely available from the Telnic website later this month. Anybody will then be able to submit patches, and build new features, etc.

TelHosting providers will then be able to do anything they want in terms of service as long as they properly comply with Telnic's policies.

When we get further down the road then I believe we'll see plenty of competition amongst TelHosting providers - some perhaps just sticking to the core functionality that the TelHosting software comes with out of the box, and (I speculate) others may layer more premium services on top. You won't be tied down. Competition is a marvelous thing.

I hope this has helped.

 

[MicroGuy]

Don't know what you're talking about - I can easily change DNS servers. Mileage may vary between registrars at this early stage.

Don't know what their particular policies/rationales are, but my registrar (Tucows) allows me to change nameservers easily.

Are you the official spokesperson for Telnic now? If so, you might want to get your story straight.

 

[Steven]

Are you the official spokesperson for Telnic now? If so, you might want to get your story straight.

Hmmm
According to his quotes, he can change the nameservers?

How?
I thought people were restricted to whatever .tel provided.

If you can switch nameservers, you can get your own hosting and create your own unique website.

Why doesn't Justin or .tel representative just answer the question here instead of someone else not working for .tel answering questions?

 

[MicroGuy]

Here's a screen capture from the Twitter exchange (from today) for anyone interested.

http://www.microguy.net/uploads/dns_snip.png

( ....his responses kept <cough> 'evolving' throughout the day. )

 

[Ms Domainer]

Dotster

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Julia, from Dotster, has tracked me down via my blog; I have just emailed her and will report back any info she gives me.

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[plaggypig]

According to his quotes, he can change the nameservers?

That's correct, my particular registrar's management console provides that functionality. Of course, there's no point changing them until after other TelHosting providers are accredited and available.

If you can switch nameservers, you can get your own hosting and create your own unique website.

The purpose of this is purely to switch between TelHosting providers. You cannot use arbitrary A records:

A TelHosting Provider’s systems and provisioning tools MUST NOT allow the insertion of user-defined Address Records into .tel TLD delegated zones. A TelHosting Provider MUST allow for Address Records approved by the Sponsoring Organisation to be added to a delegated .tel TLD zone.

Why doesn't Justin or .tel representative just answer the question here instead of someone else not working for .tel answering questions?

If you look back through the thread he has.

I think I've explained things as clearly as I'm able to.

 

[Ms Domainer]

Hmmm
According to his quotes, he can change the nameservers?

How?
I thought people were restricted to whatever .tel provided.

If you can switch nameservers, you can get your own hosting and create your own unique website.

Why doesn't Justin or .tel representative just answer the question here instead of someone else not working for .tel answering questions?

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We'll probably have to wait until tomorrow to hear from Justin, given that UK time is 4 hours ahead EDT in the U.S.

But I am highly curious; I have my Dynadot account up right now, and it looks as though I would be able to change name servers. Also, looks like options to third party ads are available--everything you can do with other TLDs. Redirects, creating subdomains, CNAMES, A, MX, yadda, yadda, yadda.

I'm not going to change anything because I don't know what I would change it to (Sedo Parking?).

It looks as though some registrars have not reconfigured for .tel.

Now I'm off Dynadot and on Dotster.

There, I cannot change nameservers, etc. But there is a link to Telnic's homepage:

To visit TELNIC to update your .TEL contact info, click here.

But nothing more. So, evidently, Dotster has the .tel configuration set correctly; it just isn't live yet.

So it gets curiouser and curiouser.

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[hasseily]

Okay, I just got off yet another plane and it seems there is some clarifying to do.

As a registry operator, Telnic does not sell to customers directly. Our job is to provide the infrastructure and set of rules that make .tel work.

We do not, and cannot, interfere in commercial decisions between registrars and their customers, nor can we dictate these. Our registrar/reseller channel is independent from Telnic and can set their own rules, terms of service and options to offer some or all of the functionality provided by the .tel. Each registrar is free to set its services and pricing with its customers. Doing otherwise would break the regulations that ICANN have placed upon us.

If you are concerned with the service and terms you have from your registrar, you must discuss these with them. The registrar/reseller network is a competitive marketplace, and you are free to look at the different offerings and switch registrars/resellers at your leisure.

We remain open to changes in technical development that the .tel community will bring to enhance the service and are committed to the successful development of the .tel community. But we cannot interfere with the commercial relationship you hold with your .tel service provider.

That said, the .tel control panel should be viewed as an extension to the existing control panels that your registrar provides to you to manage the A records and MX records on your traditional TLD-based domains. How would you feel if your registrar didn't allow you to set basic DNS records in a .com domain you just bought? Same with .tel domains.

Speaking of DNS records, there seems to be quite a bit of misunderstanding regarding what can and cannot be done with .tel domains. I'd like to refer you to the .tel Acceptable Use Policy for all the details. Section 4.3 states that:

Neither the Domain Name Holder nor the Registrar may change the Address Record, DNAME Record or CNAME Record values assigned to each registered Domain Name by the Registry. These values are used to generate consistent results to web-based queries on the Domain Name.

Finally, regarding DNS servers, anyone will be able to run their own DNS servers for .tel provided that:
1- The AUP is abided by
2- They become an accredited Telhosting provider and provide Telhosting to all their users.

Becoming an accredited Telhosting provider will be free. The accreditation simply entails abiding by the Telhosting APIs set by Telnic. You can run the open source Telhosting software that will be provided by Telnic, or you can build your own. You just need to have the same set of APIs. The reasoning behind this is simple:
The DNS is a database. There's already a well-know API for reading from the DNS (the DNS lookups that every device does), and Telnic has specified APIs for writing to the .tel DNS zones. That's what Telhosting is for. Imagine you download my "My.tel" app from the iPhone app store (going to be submitted in the next couple of days), it has to work whatever Telhosting provider you use. Which means they all have to abide by the same APIs.
Anything else is fair game, and we cannot and will not interefere in Registrar business, as stated above. Nor can we predict how Registrars are going to price or bundle .tel products.

I hope this clarifies things.

 

[virtualhunter]

Hello Guyz and Girlz!
I was wondering if it's possible to un-preorder some .TEL domain names for GA.
I found a couple of mistake that I did while pre-ordering in bulk.
If yes how do I proceed?
(@ DomainMonster)
Thanks.

 

[Ms Domainer]

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Thanks, Henri.

So we need to be in touch with our registrars...

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Go to Domainmonster; maybe they'll take mercy on you.

Not required to let you out of your TOS, but it never hurts to ask.

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Hello Guyz and Girlz!
I was wondering if it's possible to un-preorder some .TEL domain names for GA.
I found a couple of mistake that I did while pre-ordering in bulk.
If yes how do I proceed?
(@ DomainMonster)
Thanks.

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At Dynadot,

My DYNADOT panel (there is no link to a Telnic DNS) offers the following capability:

Change DNS
Create subdomains
Create email addresses
Park Domain and collect 3rd party ad revenue.
301 and 302 redirect
Stealth forwarding
A and CNAME records
Create MX records
TXT

As we speak, I could do any of this right now.

I'm not going to because it's against my TOS, but should we even have access to anything but DNS?

This is what I'm not understanding.

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Okay, I just got off yet another plane and it seems there is some clarifying to do.

As a registry operator, Telnic does not sell to customers directly. Our job is to provide the infrastructure and set of rules that make .tel work.

We do not, and cannot, interfere in commercial decisions between registrars and their customers, nor can we dictate these. Our registrar/reseller channel is independent from Telnic and can set their own rules, terms of service and options to offer some or all of the functionality provided by the .tel. Each registrar is free to set its services and pricing with its customers. Doing otherwise would break the regulations that ICANN have placed upon us.

If you are concerned with the service and terms you have from your registrar, you must discuss these with them. The registrar/reseller network is a competitive marketplace, and you are free to look at the different offerings and switch registrars/resellers at your leisure.

We remain open to changes in technical development that the .tel community will bring to enhance the service and are committed to the successful development of the .tel community. But we cannot interfere with the commercial relationship you hold with your .tel service provider.

That said, the .tel control panel should be viewed as an extension to the existing control panels that your registrar provides to you to manage the A records and MX records on your traditional TLD-based domains. How would you feel if your registrar didn't allow you to set basic DNS records in a .com domain you just bought? Same with .tel domains.

Speaking of DNS records, there seems to be quite a bit of misunderstanding regarding what can and cannot be done with .tel domains. I'd like to refer you to the .tel Acceptable Use Policy for all the details. Section 4.3 states that:


Finally, regarding DNS servers, anyone will be able to run their own DNS servers for .tel provided that:
1- The AUP is abided by
2- They become an accredited Telhosting provider and provide Telhosting to all their users.

Becoming an accredited Telhosting provider will be free. The accreditation simply entails abiding by the Telhosting APIs set by Telnic. You can run the open source Telhosting software that will be provided by Telnic, or you can build your own. You just need to have the same set of APIs. The reasoning behind this is simple:
The DNS is a database. There's already a well-know API for reading from the DNS (the DNS lookups that every device does), and Telnic has specified APIs for writing to the .tel DNS zones. That's what Telhosting is for. Imagine you download my "My.tel" app from the iPhone app store (going to be submitted in the next couple of days), it has to work whatever Telhosting provider you use. Which means they all have to abide by the same APIs.
Anything else is fair game, and we cannot and will not interefere in Registrar business, as stated above. Nor can we predict how Registrars are going to price or bundle .tel products.

I hope this clarifies things.

 

[aliencafe]

All, I am using the Domain Monster control panel and all services work great. I enter my DNS info and the sites go live in a few minutes.

If Other registrars have these issues, email them and copy Telnic support with the question and answer so the issues get resolved.

I have been extremely happy with DM and the way i have been treated.

Also we have been fortunate that the PRINCIPALS IN TELNIC have been posting and working with us.

What other companies would do this?

Lets sit back look at the big picture and be positive, after all it is Friday the 13th LOL.

Appreciate the updates from Henri.tel lol !!

 

[virtualhunter]

Hello Guyz and Girlz one again!
I think I wasn't clear the last time...
I just wanted to know if it's possible to undo a GA pre-order for .TELs because I did some mistakes while pre-ordering in bulk. (@DomainMonster).
If yes how do I proceed?
Thanks.

 

[Jawed]

You need to call them in order to cancel your order. Supposing you don’t call them for whatever reasons and the names are registered for you, still you can get refund during the cooling off period, not sure how many days for .tel. The best option is simply call your registrar and cancel your order now.