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For this, let's assume that .tel will not be a total flop.

What type of keywords will be most valuable for this extension? Will it be geographical keywords, like newyork.tel, losangeles.tel, etc, or what else?
 
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Why is .tel being so restricted on this forum, anyway?

forums have gotten so 'self important' that they're basically just a showcase for prejudice of some sort or another.. funny read tho.
 
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BTW, the .tel showcase was the FIRST .tel thread on namepros, so in that sense, the other thread was merged into the very long showcase thread.

More importantly, while the structure of .tel is set and restricted, what owners do with their content (keyword section) and types of contact selected can be varied, but we'd be hard put to know about it by looking on Namepros.

Mis_Chiff, please do see what you can do about re-opening that showcase thread.

Thanks!

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Why is .tel being so restricted on this forum, anyway?

forums have gotten so 'self important' that they're basically just a showcase for prejudice of some sort or another.. funny read tho.

I don't think NP falls into that category. This is for the most part a great forum with a lot of great people that are willing to share their knowledge. Overall, it is very well moderated and one of the best forums I have had the pleasure to be a part of.
 
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IMHO:

If you're too heavy-handed on applying THE RULES, you'll simply drive members away.

It's just that simple.

And FYI, this thread started out as a showcase thread but then got merged with another .tel thread, and the RULES got changed.

If you look at other threads, you'll see a looser interpretation of the rules, particularly in the .mobi threads.

I don't see anyone trying to sell their .tels here, just discussing them and what their plans are for them. What's wrong with that?

Why is .tel being so restricted on this forum, anyway?


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I don't own any .tel domain name but I entirely agree with the basic thesis of your argument. :)
 
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I don't think NP falls into that category. This is for the most part a great forum with a lot of great people that are willing to share their knowledge. Overall, it is very well moderated and one of the best forums I have had the pleasure to be a part of.

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I absolutely agree here, which is why I felt I could speak out.

Namepros is a GREAT forum.

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Everybody REP Henri.

Not that it really makes a difference... but it would be neat to see how many Rep points he could accumulate! :)

And let's face it.... he does deserve 'em. :imho:

Someone on this thread gave me "bad rep points" for the above post, and went on to say "Dont mess with the rep system". WTF? Does this make sense to anybody?
 
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Someone on this thread gave me "bad rep points" for the above post, and went on to say "Dont mess with the rep system". WTF? Does this make sense to anybody?

Don't worry about it, I have absolutely no interest in rep. Irrelevant.
 
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I wonder how the previously noted gathering is shaping up and if there is any uptake on the .Tel endeavor to expand the celebrity adoption of .Tel.
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Hollywood, California – Tuesday, 26th May 2009 – This year’s exclusive Hollywood Movie Celebration Weekend Party on Friday 29th May, hosted by television personalities Sway Calloway & Tim Kash, will have an added dimension to it through the participation of .tel.
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On a side but related note, it appears that Ashton Kutcher has huge market appeal and, IMO, would be "over the top" ideal to endorse .Tel.

Thoughts?
 
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Unfortunately I was not a mod at the time the threads
were merged. Otherwise they would have stayed separate
as with all the other TLD's I didn't make the call, just
following a rule. and FYI, this was always the Discussion thread, the Showcase thread was merged with this one.
There is also no development restrictions on all the
other TLD's hence, showcasing makes sense at that point.

Until the "Development" restrictions change, your .tel will look like my .tel - so why an active link? why post it 50 times?

When things happen it'll be a blow out of showcasing, no doubt!
Until then, there is the social group.

mis_chiff, I am somewhat disappointed (but was expecting it nonetheless) at your analysis of .tel domains, especially in regards to the perceived negative aspect of development restrictions on the .tel.

You are looking at .tel from the viewpoint of someone building a website where form and function are driven by the restrictions of http+html. You've been operating within them for so long that you've learned not to get close to the boundaries. Hence, you don't see them. Nevertheless, they exist.

Requesting a web page is costly in time and resources. So you work on mobile-optimised versions as well as regular "heavy" versions. Similarly, because creating a single page is hard work, you try to make as few pages as possible. For both reasons, you rely on search rather than navigation.
Making any kind of data-driven site means "dynamic" website, which entails scripting and database backend, and therefore expertise in both (or passing knowledge, which results in a very average user experience).
And let's not discuss multi-dimensional visualization, which automatically means Flash, Java or some kind of 3D language.
and you can only convey text, not language inflexions. Well you can add an audio file, but that's pretty horrible. Then again you can switch to a podcast which is nothing like a web page. You can't even write the text you want, you're stuck with standard fonts. Which is partly why comic book artists scan their strips.

Now let's get to the subject at hand, .tel. With .tel, the form is set. You have two choices: fight it or be happy that you don't have to worry about it. If you're in the first camp, no problem, get any other TLD. If you're in the second camp, then we can start talking about the benefits of the form being set, and ultimately about the nature of .tel.

Which brings me to the real question that's at the root of the discussion: what are .tel domain builders?

The answer is really simple : Data architects. Librarians. Navigation interface designers. In more mathematical terms, graph creators.

And that is why banning showcasing .tels has hit such a raw nerve. Telsters aren't showcasing their HTML-fu, they're showcasing their graph building knowledge.
Yes, the current overwhelming majority of .tel domains contains very simple graphs, but that is why showcasing .tels is so important: learn from your peers. I don't think anyone on this forum is a librarian by training (please do correct me if I'm wrong!), but they're clearly eager to learn.

Beyond small business owners quickly understanding the value of owning a .tel filled with their contact info, a domainer who wants to build value in a .tel will view it as an incredibly easy-to-use, fast and efficient data source for contact and short textual info.

Think about building mobile apps where the only necessary data source is the DNS. That is of course what the iPhone app Superbook is about, or the TelProxy web application. But you could as well have a navigable compendium of all plant species in the Amazonian Forest, with web link cross references, image links to flickr photo albums, or IRC pointers to live discussions on how to best extract sap from a rubber tree. Without ever writing a single line of code.

Thanks for reading,
Henri

PS: apologies for the long-winded post, I was filling the 30 minutes to cross under the Channel in the Eurostar. :)
 
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"Originally Posted by mis_chiff :
Unfortunately I was not a mod at the time the threads
were merged. Otherwise they would have stayed separate
as with all the other TLD's I didn't make the call, just
following a rule. and FYI, this was always the Discussion thread, the Showcase thread was merged with this one.
There is also no development restrictions on all the
other TLD's hence, showcasing makes sense at that point.

Until the "Development" restrictions change, your .tel will look like my .tel - so why an active link? why post it 50 times?

When things happen it'll be a blow out of showcasing, no doubt!
Until then, there is the social group."

Showcase can be interesting because dot tel have nothing in common with other tlds. Also I like better a showcase of dot tel that looks all similar than dot something with full of junk links to affiliate program and others. But mis_chiff as a moderator I will accept or follow your rules, it's up to you not to open a showcase thread.
 
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Thanks for your opinions and thoughts guys,
it is appreciated.

As soon as I hear back, I will update. :)
 
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Think about building mobile apps where the only necessary data source is the DNS.

There are also many existing apps that could benefit too.

I've made a feature request at Google Chrome: Integration with .tel

Integration with .tel: List .tel website records in suggestion dropdown list

The .tel tld allows owners to create website records in the dns for their .tel domain name.

As soon as chrome recognises that a .tel domain has been entered in the address bar, it would be great if chrome could perform a simple dns lookup on the .tel and include the available web sites in the suggestion dropdown list. This would save them having to visit the .tel contact page if they're interested in the website links.
I can only hope %%- :)
 
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Here is the first serious company that will use dot tel as main directory network for several cities in France:

Code:
http://afw.fr

So we now can see that .tel can also be used as directory with GEO tel.
 
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i emailed katalyst and was turned down for a benefit type endorsement by Ashton (aplusk.tel) vs. cnnbrk.tel
but.. that could just be his minion
ashton is in the ATL for a while, so who knows..
i have contacted Ed Begley Jr. about doing the green thing with .tel
my cousin is contacting some rock star types.. maybe!
 
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i emailed katalyst and was turned down for a benefit type endorsement by Ashton (aplusk.tel) vs. cnnbrk.tel
but.. that could just be his minion
ashton is in the ATL for a while, so who knows..
i have contacted Ed Begley Jr. about doing the green thing with .tel
my cousin is contacting some rock star types.. maybe!

Say what? Are you pulling our leg here?
 
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Thanks, Henri!

You have explained the potential diversity of .tel so well. I do suspect that Mis_chiff understands as well; if I'm not mistaken (and correct me if I am), she owns some .tels.

I'm all for giving her a chance to speak with the higher ups about recreating the showcase thread.

;)

As a confirmed claustophobic, I know how scary that Eurostar ride under the channel can be. I always try not to think about being whisked through a tube beneath a body of water.

Perhaps I'm making progress; last week, my better half convinced me to go down in a mine shaft. I was okay until the guide turned off the lights and we were all in complete darkness.

Yikes!

You did very well in explaining things despite your underground trauma.

I choose not to worry about the so-called restrictions; when I want text- and image-rich content, I'll simply link to it from a premium .tel.

So far, Google is being very kind to my personal bookmarking site, even though it really doesn't matter to me how it ranks, given its customization to my own needs. In fact, my gut tells me that, overall, Google and other search engines will be very generous toward .tel.

I'm seeing over 200,000 indexed .tels and growing each day!

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mis_chiff, I am somewhat disappointed (but was expecting it nonetheless) at your analysis of .tel domains, especially in regards to the perceived negative aspect of development restrictions on the .tel.

You are looking at .tel from the viewpoint of someone building a website where form and function are driven by the restrictions of http+html. You've been operating within them for so long that you've learned not to get close to the boundaries. Hence, you don't see them. Nevertheless, they exist.

Requesting a web page is costly in time and resources. So you work on mobile-optimised versions as well as regular "heavy" versions. Similarly, because creating a single page is hard work, you try to make as few pages as possible. For both reasons, you rely on search rather than navigation.
Making any kind of data-driven site means "dynamic" website, which entails scripting and database backend, and therefore expertise in both (or passing knowledge, which results in a very average user experience).
And let's not discuss multi-dimensional visualization, which automatically means Flash, Java or some kind of 3D language.
and you can only convey text, not language inflexions. Well you can add an audio file, but that's pretty horrible. Then again you can switch to a podcast which is nothing like a web page. You can't even write the text you want, you're stuck with standard fonts. Which is partly why comic book artists scan their strips.

Now let's get to the subject at hand, .tel. With .tel, the form is set. You have two choices: fight it or be happy that you don't have to worry about it. If you're in the first camp, no problem, get any other TLD. If you're in the second camp, then we can start talking about the benefits of the form being set, and ultimately about the nature of .tel.

Which brings me to the real question that's at the root of the discussion: what are .tel domain builders?

The answer is really simple : Data architects. Librarians. Navigation interface designers. In more mathematical terms, graph creators.

And that is why banning showcasing .tels has hit such a raw nerve. Telsters aren't showcasing their HTML-fu, they're showcasing their graph building knowledge.
Yes, the current overwhelming majority of .tel domains contains very simple graphs, but that is why showcasing .tels is so important: learn from your peers. I don't think anyone on this forum is a librarian by training (please do correct me if I'm wrong!), but they're clearly eager to learn.

Beyond small business owners quickly understanding the value of owning a .tel filled with their contact info, a domainer who wants to build value in a .tel will view it as an incredibly easy-to-use, fast and efficient data source for contact and short textual info.

Think about building mobile apps where the only necessary data source is the DNS. That is of course what the iPhone app Superbook is about, or the TelProxy web application. But you could as well have a navigable compendium of all plant species in the Amazonian Forest, with web link cross references, image links to flickr photo albums, or IRC pointers to live discussions on how to best extract sap from a rubber tree. Without ever writing a single line of code.

Thanks for reading,
Henri

PS: apologies for the long-winded post, I was filling the 30 minutes to cross under the Channel in the Eurostar. :)
 
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With all due respect, the fact that it's a .tel domain makes it nothing like user names for other social sites.
The only difference is username.tel vs socialsite.com/username. As I have said before, this isn't enough to make the masses fork over money. There has to be something great about the .tel service itslef, but as of right now it's lackluster.

That's not even considering the .tel VOIP/Mobile capability nor .tel's potential for future portability.
We've gone over this too. In 2003 the issue of mobile compatibility was problematic and nobody knew how to handle it aside from creating an entirely separate site that worked on PDA's (that is how .mobi was born in fact). Nowadays mobile compatibility is a non-issue using alternative style sheets.

In time, I suspect you'll be able to register and log-in to thousands of different websites using a single .tel domain name as a user name/personal identifier.
Never happen. Anyone looking at this from a developer's perspective can list many reasons why. The primary one being that the webmaster doesn't even have control over their own user's ability to login.

That being said, how many name.tel owners reading this thread would be willing to sell a premium first name .tel (i.e, Mike, Jim, Dave, Laurie, Carol, Jenny, etc.) for less than $1,000? Less than $2,500? Less than $5,000?
matt.net $2,400 2008-12-06
john.com $21,500 2007-02-23
andrew.de $415 2009-01-01
pete.com $18,000 2008-12-24
peter.cz $395 2008-03-18

There is no way .tel is going into .com or .net territory.

Not too many, I'd guess. Names like these have exceptional development and marketing potential.
No comment.
 
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Who sent this to me? And why?

The Official .TEL... 05-29-2009 12:59 AM
Don't mess with the rep system.

Wendy...was this you??

Saucey :td:

You're kidding me right?? You are making a funny perhaps??

I would never give negative rep, I'd send a PM
if I had something to say!

Why in the world would you think it's me??
 
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geo.tel's are fueled entirely by plans to use the pre-fab directory feature to sell listings. No legitamate developer is going to even consider doing this, so I am extremely skeptical that otherwise non-developers can come in and make this work with .tel's crippled revenue stream options compared to a real TLD.

It is absolutely 100% impossible for a .tel directory to match the revenues as the same system on a .com with added banner spots and development options.

For that reason, I'm giving most geo.tel's a thumbs down.
Honestly, you haven't got a clue. You're like a guy looking at boats on the water then running around telling everyone who is parked in a car and yelling, while pointing at the cars; "It won't float, it won't float." Better to just keep quiet, I think for you, because you are just making yourself look silly.
I'm going to have to call you out on this one. Come on man, you've got to back that up with something.

.tel directory
VS
.com directory
+ banner placements
+ expanded development

What exactly makes you think .tel can match the .com in revenue?

If you can sell .tel placements, then you can sell .com placements equally as well. But how are you going to make up the other areas of lost income on the .tel?
 
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