.mobi The Risk of .MOBI?

[yoyosean]

I have seen on this forum and other forums this theory that the .MOBI bubble is going to burst and the risky investment of .MOBI and I am thoroughly confused. Perhaps somebody who thinks this way can shed some light.

I trade stocks for a living and at any one point in time will have $300,000 to $400,000 dollars including margin at "risk" in the market, I do this to exploit small moves in the market and make a .25 cent to .50 cent move in the stock there are Billions of dollars at any single time in the stock market doing this. Now, I buy lets say 400 domain names for $20 each or $8000 and the .MOBI bubble bursts and the domains are worthless are worth reg fee, what have I lost? $8000 or nothing, or somewhere in between? Is that risky?

Now lets say .MOBI is wildly successful and to be ultra conservative IMHO, my names (which I believe to be great), are worth on avg. $200 each. I have turned $8000 into $80000 and made a 900% return on my investment. I dont get how the risk reward ratio is anything but in the favor of the people regging .MOBI domains or even buying them for good prices in the aftermarket, can someone please poke holes in my theory because I dont get it.

 

[mykel241]

Agree, and especially if I had paid $120g's+ for it, already! :imho:

How do you feel about the website that is there presently, Michael? :gl:
Thanks much.
-Jeff

Looks good at first but then you realize its all ads. The odd thing is you can click on an ad 10x's and it still don't take you anywhere.

If the carriers would reduce their rates on premium SMS billing then the mobile web from a commerce perspective would explode as people are really impulsive with txt to pay. The issue is that the carriers take 50% of the revenue and sometimes as high as 60%. Imagine going to flowers.mobi and then being able to order a dozen roses by txt'ing 1DOZ to 74415, etc.

Michael

 

[Jo]

Would you all feel better if 1-800flowers had won the flowers.mobi auction? I read that they were one of the bidders.

 

[Jeff]

Would you all feel better if 1-800flowers had won the flowers.mobi auction? I read that they were one of the bidders.

I heard that, as well ... wonder how/why they were outbid?

Simply put, I just wish the Flowers.mobi was developed with unique and compelling content ... since this is such a HUGE component of the extension's "ecosystem" (and particularly, considering the previously published words of its owner in this very regard ... ), IMHO.

Thanks.
-Jeff

 

[scandiman]

If the carriers would reduce their rates on premium SMS billing then the mobile web from a commerce perspective would explode as people are really impulsive with txt to pay. The issue is that the carriers take 50% of the revenue and sometimes as high as 60%. Imagine going to flowers.mobi and then being able to order a dozen roses by txt'ing 1DOZ to 74415, etc.

Michael

You bring up an important point, when mobile billing solutions are carrier independent this whole thing can blow wide open. It would be cool to pay for your hotel room by txting a pin #. Do you know if the paypal system is any good?

 

[netfounder]

and now
I think MOBI is good future

 

[yoyosean]

they bid $190,000 and schwartz out bid them he probably did so to sell use it as a leverage tool between 1800 flowers knowing they had interest and flowers.com or ftd or whomever who will pay him 7 figures down the road, he is a pretty smart cookie.

 

[nombre]

Would you all feel better if 1-800flowers had won the flowers.mobi auction? I read that they were one of the bidders.

this is a disaster

flowers.mobi is basically an ad site which will require a fair bit of work to get your order done

on the other hand if you go to 1800flowers.com on your mobile you're looking at a beautiful site where you can order flowers right now

well, perhaps it isn't a total disaster, flowers.mobi is linking to flower delivery worldwide which is really what mobi is all about

but it's never good when a dot com looks better than it's corresponding dot mobi

 

[Jeff]

they bid $190,000 and schwartz out bid them he probably did so to sell use it as a leverage tool between 1800 flowers knowing they had interest and flowers.com or ftd or whomever who will pay him 7 figures down the road, he is a pretty smart cookie.

How do you feel about the website that is there presently, Yo? :blink:

and now
I think MOBI is good future

Great, thanks for the post.
Best regards.
-Jeff

 

[yoyosean]

i think it is horrible but i dont think mr. schwartz cares and i wouldn be surprised if he already has it flipped or in the process of flipping it for several hundred thousand more than he paid, the man is a pretty good pitch man.

 

[Jeff]

^ "i think it is horrible" ^

... the man is a pretty good pitch man.

Agreed.

Best of Luck.
-Jeff

 

[hawkeye]

I heard that, as well ... wonder how/why they were outbid?

Simply put, I just wish the Flowers.mobi was developed with unique and compelling content ... since this is such a HUGE component of the extension's "ecosystem" (and particularly, considering the previously published words of its owner in this very regard ... ), IMHO.

Thanks.
-Jeff

Jeff, you note that you'd like to see Flowers.mobi, and have noted prior for other .mobis, to be developed so 'we' can see proof so to speak, of the progress of .mobi, and others have said similiar such. A 4 month old extension, not being developed yet leads to the credibility of being skeptical of the extension, as some have professed. Yet my query is - you have 1, now 2 .mobis (that you won't divulge), and yours is still not developed!! So why do you/others need to see other sites developed so instantly once a name gets purchased, and yet it seems to be ok to take your time with yours?
Just curious, that's all. :?

Best of Luck - :gl:

 

[yoyosean]

the way i view it, it is your real estate, if you want to leave it an empty lot, so be it, if you want it to be a skyscraper so be it, if you want it to be a preschool so be it. I disagree with the popular theme that NO significant properties have been developed is
POPPYCOCK : ) i think there are many significant developments and more and more coming online everyday, i dont think the universe revolved around us here at NP's and I think there is a lot of development where the usage is greatest which is in asia and europe.

 

[Jeff]

Just my two sense.

Perhaps it's just a "temporary" thing, just dunno ... :gl:

^ Thread: http://www.namepros.com/dot-mobi/284767-flowers-mobi-on-the-air.html?

^ I've previously mentioned the short-term ("temporary" in this context) nature of the .MOBI and its development, IMHO. Understandable. Full development may take some time (including Flowers.mobi and my two domains), agreed, but my two measy Reg. fee domains are not being used as the barometer for the entire extension's early existence (including registration and re-sale(s) potential), as well as the heavily quoted "ecosystem" - and the importance of developed .MOBI's in that ecosystem! :talk:

In other words, what is the importance and impact of my two Reg. fee purchases and development / non-development compared fairly with the permeating INFLUENCE of an well-publicized $XXX,xxx high-profile acquisition and non-development / development of Flowers.mobi? :yell:

Thanks for the post, Hawk ... hopefully you can see where I'm coming from in this comparison.
-Jeff

 

[mykel241]

In other words, what is the importance and impact of my two Reg. fee purchases and development / non-development compared fairly with the permeating INFLUENCE of an well-publicized $XXX,xxx high-profile acquisition and non-development / development of Flowers.mobi? :yell:

Exactly. flowers.mobi if it were developed to potential could bring about a lot more interest in the tld which would benefit all people utilizing the extension whether or not they develop or park (Don't park. Develop). Now everybody who read the press release are just directed to nothing more then a page with ads. Which does not even function properly to begin with.

Michael

 

[yoyosean]

he spent $200,000 on the domain if he doesnt want to put anthing on it, it his call

 

[Jeff]

In other words, what is the importance and impact of my two Reg. fee purchases and development / non-development compared fairly with the permeating INFLUENCE of an well-publicized $XXX,xxx high-profile acquisition and non-development / development of Flowers.mobi? :yell:

Exactly. flowers.mobi if it were developed to potential could bring about a lot more interest in the tld which would benefit all people utilizing the extension whether or not they develop or park (Don't park. Develop). Now everybody who read the press release are just directed to nothing more then a page with ads. Which does not even function properly to begin with.

Michael

:bingo: :imho:

 

[iNod]

There are lots of risks in all TLD's. Will people visit it, what will happen, etc.. But people still register them. Why because if there was no risk takers we would not have a single thing. No iPod without Apple saying they will make a new one. No Computer without the people who invented the computer. No mouse with the Xerox people to invent it and than give the ideas away to Apple.

Is there a risk with .MOBI.. Certainly. Will I still register .mobi's Certainly.

No matter how you look at it.. ALL tld's/cctld's are risks. We take them each day.. We either lose 25 cents to ICANN fees or we lose $7 for a complete register. It is up to us to use facts, and study our registration before we make it to decrease the chance of something going wrong. Yet things do. So what, that is life

- Steve

 

[dag]

If I was on the train on the way home from work and wanted to get my wife flowers and went to flowers.mobi and seen ads for sites that are not even compatible for my device I would just call 1-800-FLOWERS...

If people have great keywords and park and consumers browse and get directed to more ads or sites that are to big for their device it is only going to hurt the branding of the TLD.

I certainly understand your point here, but this very argument underscores why there is a NEED for .mobi! Everyone opposed to the extension says how easy it is for .COMs to detect the mobile device and redirect to the mobile version of their site -- but if that's so easy, why isn't it happening? There wouldn't actually BE a problem of being redirected from a .mobi site to a site that was "too big for their device" if this redirection was happening on a wide scale. Sure, there are sites that do it, but I feel pretty comfortable saying those are but a tiny fraction of the whole. As evidenced by what mykel241 says above.

:imho:

 

[nombre]

I certainly understand your point here, but this very argument underscores why there is a NEED for .mobi! Everyone opposed to the extension says how easy it is for .COMs to detect the mobile device and redirect to the mobile version of their site -- but if that's so easy, why isn't it happening? There wouldn't actually BE a problem of being redirected from a .mobi site to a site that was "too big for their device" if this redirection was happening on a wide scale. Sure, there are sites that do it, but I feel pretty comfortable saying those are but a tiny fraction of the whole. As evidenced by what mykel241 says above.

i think this is a huge issue

my guess is that we don't see a lot of com sites with mobile versions for the exact reason that mobi was created ... the mobile web sucks .. nobody is using it ... if mobi creates a demand for mobile internet then we WILL see a lot mobile versions of com sites

this is what concerns me, i don't want to see com overwhelming mobi and confusing the user, i want the user to think of mobi first

that's why browser defaults and search results in favor of mobi are so critical