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It seems .PRO is slowly coming out of the cage with cheaper reg prices than they were a year ago and major registrars like netsol taking notice of the extension and promoting it. B-)

Here are some that I picked up in last couple of days:

Alexandria.pro

Anchorage.pro

Arlington.pro

Belfast.pro

Birmingham.pro

Budapest.pro

Durham.pro

Fairfax.pro

Italian.pro

Lisbon.pro

Fire away with your regs after the relaunch on September 8th, 2008.
 
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Sorry Terol, I don't understand your post, can you explain?

I thought you believe that somebody was monitoring your appraisal... I am sorry if I misunderstood you! :rolleyes:
 
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For the record, it wasn't me :) Congrats on the new acquisitions - both great names.

Whew! I just snapped korea.pro and manager.pro. Not sure if I should be glad. They weren't cheap: More than 900 $ for both.

Otherwise, they're good names, and they fit into my portfiolio.

It was a hard battle with "profan1". :] Next time we'd better come to an agreement first; if each of us took one domain for half the price, it would've been better for both. :gl:

To be honest, I would've stopped at something more than 500.

Greetings,
Kuli
 
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In addition to snapnames, I predict we will shortly be seing .pro domains at namejet.com in August/September. This was when Network Solutions first started selling .pros so there might be a few nice drops available. There were a lot of nice names available for purchase back in August '08.


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.pro Feb 09 stats are out. Total .pros registered rose 4.7% on Jan to 33,992. That was a rise of 1,536 .pros. DomainPeople is the strongest growing .pro registrar with just over 500 new .pros. Encirca is bringing up the rear again, with a slight fall in total .pros registered for the second month running. At the current run rate total .pros registered will peak at 35,000 to 40,000 around October 09 with a dip expected at renewal time for the 10k September 08 relaunch .pros. I think around 2k-3k will be dropped net in November with another 1k-2k in December so I expect .pros registered to settle at around 35,000 by the end of 09.
 
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Microsoft BING doesn't allow .PRO sites to be submitted!

I just went to the Bing webmasters page to submit some domains, but it refused to accept .PRO domains as valid. That has GOT to be a bug, since .PRO is a valid fundamental TLD
 
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Well that 5 times more than one year ago :)
 
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Well that 5 times more than one year ago :)

I guess some would say that a 500% growth rate isn't bad.

Let's see if they can repeat that for a few more years.

The problem with .PRO (and I have several), of course, is that the prohibitions on who can get it are going to keep it down, period. And the *only* reason to get a .PRO, IMO is if you can get a really strong keyword domain, and those will be taken by and large long before .PRO ever becomes a big phenomenon.

Having said that, and owning some .PRO domains, I don't see any reason not to develop a .PRO domain and let the appeal of what the domain name looks like in a search engine search help get some organic traffic to it.

Re-selling .PRO is going to be hard, because who are you going to sell a.PRO domain to? You take a small list of interested buyers and then have to find an even smaller number of those who are qualified from within that.

I'm glad registry.pro is lowering their prices, but it would help if they lowered their philosophical entry threshold as well and admit that the standards of snootiness they hoped the TLD would sustain are just too limiting to be economically viable.
 
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Let's see if they can repeat that for a few more years.

That's not going to happen unless they do something to match September 08 every year. If you look at the % month on month rise in .pros registered from September 08 onwards it was 125%, 28%, 14%, 9%, 8%, 5%, and if they only went up from 34,000 to 36,000 between February 09 and June 09, that growth has disappeared.

Realistically, without price promotion, total .pros registered will fall at the end of 09 when late volume registrants realise they have little chance of selling their domains. Older volume registrants will stay in because they have stronger .pros and current renewal fees are still a big improvement on pre-08 prices, the problem is there aren't many of them, you can count them on the palm of your hand.

The problem is RegistryPro are still selling to 10% of people who are professionally qualified through 10% of registrars and of the 1% of domain registrants they are targeting, only 1% would consider registering a .pro as opposed to a .com, .net, org, .info etc. It's a 1 in 10,000 problem.

RegistryPro's financial problems are unchanged. Before September 08, they were getting 7,000 x $50 per year, now they are getting 36,000 x $10. It's nowhere near enough to cover their costs. Hostway will surely not sign up for another 5 years of losing money in May 2010 with the prospect of a raft of new gTLD wiping out any strategic benefit of subsidising losses on .pro. That could be the end of .pro or ICANN might remove residual restrictions to persuade another registry to take it on. If Afilias or Verisign take on .pro with no restrictions, it would be beneficial to registrants. I would advise .pro registrants not to renew past May 2010 unless they have to until the registry contract issue is resolved.

The problem with .PRO (and I have several), of course, is that the prohibitions on who can get it are going to keep it down, period. And the *only* reason to get a .PRO, IMO is if you can get a really strong keyword domain, and those will be taken by and large long before .PRO ever becomes a big phenomenon.

I agree, you buy or register a .pro or any new extension to get a good keyword. There is only so far new extensions can get because the good keywords run out. The only way to go then is to bring prices down to a dollar like Afillias did to keep people regging.

Having said that, and owning some .PRO domains, I don't see any reason not to develop a .PRO domain and let the appeal of what the domain name looks like in a search engine search help get some organic traffic to it.

I reviewed the .pros in the Best of .pro final. The highest ranked site BanquetTables.pro was on Page 4 of Google. I bought a 1998 registered .com for about $3,000 1-2 years ago, I did 2 hours of work on a simple 1 pages site one Sunday afternoon to test the SEO potential, and it made the first page of Google last week for a couple of days before falling back to page 2. The 2 word phrase gets searched for 1,200 per month in the UK, and while I was on page 1 of google I was getting about 10-15 hits per day. That worked out to 1 or 2 clicks on my ads per day and Googles pays out 30 cents up to $1.20 in terms of what Google pays out.

The reason people don't develop .pros is because although Google doesn't directly discriminate against alternative extensions, they give you a boost for a domain that has been registered continually for 11 years like my .com. I doubt many .pros are getting much organic traffic, BanquetTables.pro probably gets very little click through from Google. Most .pro sites that get traffic are probably getting it through other sources. My highest traffic .pros are Guitar.pro and Uniform.pro, I think both have been developed before so I'm getting traffic from old backlinks.

Re-selling .PRO is going to be hard, because who are you going to sell a.PRO domain to? You take a small list of interested buyers and then have to find an even smaller number of those who are qualified from within that.

For certain keywords, none of your potential buyers are going to be professionally qualified so you have little chance of selling to an end user. You have to find a domainer who is professionally qualified who can develop and has an interest in the keyword, it's like looking for a needle in a haystack.

I'm glad registry.pro is lowering their prices, but it would help if they lowered their philosophical entry threshold as well and admit that the standards of snootiness they hoped the TLD would sustain are just too limiting to be economically viable.

I agree with your conclusion, only allowing professionally qualified people to register .pro is not economically viable. 90% of registrars by volume have voted on this point by not offering .pro. It will be interesting to see what happens in May 2010 when the registry contract is due for renewal. If I was Catherine Sigmar, my conditions for extending the contract would be the removal of all restrictions, if .pro is going to continue as a restricted extension it needs to be managed by Verisign because RegistryPro cannot possibly make it pay and that hurts registrants because .pro doesn't get promoted properly.

The interesting fact is that most of them are in the hands of speculators.

36,000 .pros in total is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things so the fact that a large proportion of those are held by speculators is small potatoes. 266,000 .asia were registered in 24 hours at landrush, that's serious speculation. 60m .coms are probably held speculatively. Every domain ever sold was presumably held speculatively.

There are different types of speculation, when I was building my .pro collection, I was speculating that I'd have more time to develop in future so I'd need more domains, I was speculating that .com prices would carry on rising and since most web sites don't make much money it's not worth overpaying for .coms, I was speculating that I would have children one day and get them interested in web design and development and pass on my .pro domains to them, I was speculating that RegistryPro would go out of business if it carried on mismanaging .pro so restrictions would have to be eased or removed, I was speculating that .pro was more inherently brandable than other gTLDs so with the right registry, it could relatively outperform, I was speculating that maybe I would sell 1 or 2 .pros each year 5-10 years from now, and it would cover my registration fees or pay for a family holiday when I was strapped for cash.

The whole economic system is based on speculation of some kind. People buy a home to live in but they love talking about the value of it going up. People pay into annuities, expecting the value of the fund to go up over time. All forms of investment are speculation. Investment is just a term given to speculation to make it sound less risky and more scientific so people get to charge other people for doing in on their behalf. Without speculation, most domains would have no value, speculation restricts supply and pushes up prices. Speculation is good thing, it's a registry's best friend, .pro would be better off with 100 times more speculation. Non-speculators who buy 1 .pro to lovingly develop would be better off with more speculation because RegistryPro would collect more fees and have money to spend on marketing, then when you ask for that backlink for your 1 lovingly developed .pro grand opus or hand out a gold leaf embossed business card with RinkyDink.pro on, established with a clean non-speculative conscience in 2009, fewer people will say, .pro, what the f&%k is that?!
 
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Great post akcampbell, spot on in more levels than immediately apparent on first read.

Bring the renewals down to .com parity and remove restrictions and this will be the fastest growing tld on the planet, at least imho.

The interesting fact is that most of them are in the hands of speculators.
I assume you have some data to back this up?
 
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I assume you have some data to back this up?

Yes,

It's a simple math.

I'm not a big fan of .PRO, but I do have around 100 .PROs. Again, a speculative investment. :hehe:

As per domaintools Registrant Search, I noticed that many .PRO investors here hold more than 500 .PRO names, and a few others own more than 1000 .pro names.

If we take just 10 such domainers worldwide, who own more than 1000 .PRO names each, then (at a very conservative estimate) the number of such registrations exceed more than 30% of the entire .PRO registrations to date.

Apart from the above category, we still have domainers who own .PROs in hundreds. The recent increase in registration is a good indication that many domainers have started buying .PROs in bulk. Again, a speculative investment.

36,000 .pros in total is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of things so the fact that a large proportion of those are held by speculators is small potatoes. 266,000 .asia were registered in 24 hours at landrush, that's serious speculation. 60m .coms are probably held speculatively. Every domain ever sold was presumably held speculatively.

There are different types of speculation, when I was building my .pro collection, I was speculating that I'd have more time to develop in future so I'd need more domains, I was speculating that .com prices would carry on rising and since most web sites don't make much money it's not worth overpaying for .coms, I was speculating that I would have children one day and get them interested in web design and development and pass on my .pro domains to them, I was speculating that RegistryPro would go out of business if it carried on mismanaging .pro so restrictions would have to be eased or removed, I was speculating that .pro was more inherently brandable than other gTLDs so with the right registry, it could relatively outperform, I was speculating that maybe I would sell 1 or 2 .pros each year 5-10 years from now, and it would cover my registration fees or pay for a family holiday when I was strapped for cash.

The whole economic system is based on speculation of some kind. People buy a home to live in but they love talking about the value of it going up. People pay into annuities, expecting the value of the fund to go up over time. All forms of investment are speculation. Investment is just a term given to speculation to make it sound less risky and more scientific so people get to charge other people for doing in on their behalf. Without speculation, most domains would have no value, speculation restricts supply and pushes up prices. Speculation is good thing, it's a registry's best friend, .pro would be better off with 100 times more speculation. Non-speculators who buy 1 .pro to lovingly develop would be better off with more speculation because RegistryPro would collect more fees and have money to spend on marketing, then when you ask for that backlink for your 1 lovingly developed .pro grand opus or hand out a gold leaf embossed business card with RinkyDink.pro on, established with a clean non-speculative conscience in 2009, fewer people will say, .pro, what the f&%k is that?!

I agree, but with the higher proportion of speculative purchases against the developed .PROs, is surely a bottleneck for .PRO, IMO.

With 36,000 overall registrations, even if it is a 50% - 50% scenario, the .PRO will struggle to capture the attention unless the Developed .PROs attain more than 50% of overall registrations, again IMO.
 
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Andrew,

I don't follow Namepros as closely as I once did. However, each time I check back it seems like you've raised the bar on brilliance. Moreover, the quality of your comments are such that it seems almost a shame that they be exclusively indexed on Namepros. Nor are the benefits of your insight and candor being fully realized by the .Pro extension. That said, Total.pro is very nicely done. Total.pro notwithstanding, I'd like to leave you with an open invitation to prose about .Pro and related subjects on my sight, BLOG.pro. I'm not doing anything with the sight except fielding lowball offers. If you decide to take up the offer, I'll lease it to you for all of 0 USD or its pound equivalent for 10 years, longer, if you wish. I have no intention of profiting off of your efforts. I simply desire to make better use of the site. I can think of no more appropriate use than to commit it in support of your advocacy. Again, I applaud your work on Namepros and Total.pro. I just think that BLOG.pro has a potential to lay footprints on the web in a manner that would complement your efforts.

Mike :)
 
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Prices of .pro's are going down? I only have one left...
 
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MJS, that's a very kind offer, if I had more time I'd take you up on it. I write the occasional blog on Total.pro and update the registry stats every month but that's as much as I want to do for now.
 
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Andrew,

I don't follow Namepros as closely as I once did. However, each time I check back it seems like you've raised the bar on brilliance. Moreover, the quality of your comments are such that it seems almost a shame that they be exclusively indexed on Namepros. Nor are the benefits of your insight and candor being fully realized by the .Pro extension. That said, Total.pro is very nicely done. Total.pro notwithstanding, I'd like to leave you with an open invitation to prose about .Pro and related subjects on my sight, BLOG.pro. I'm not doing anything with the sight except fielding lowball offers. If you decide to take up the offer, I'll lease it to you for all of 0 USD or its pound equivalent for 10 years, longer, if you wish. I have no intention of profiting off of your efforts. I simply desire to make better use of the site. I can think of no more appropriate use than to commit it in support of your advocacy. Again, I applaud your work on Namepros and Total.pro. I just think that BLOG.pro has a potential to lay footprints on the web in a manner that would complement your efforts.

Mike :)

Mike, i'll take you up on a 10 year or longer lease offer ;) That's if we can do some talking around it cuz I have plenty of resources to kick off something around it!
 
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OVH only allows UK residents to transfer/register domains?
 
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UK only I believe. You have to put in a UK mobile at one point in the account opening process and they send you a code that you have to type in.
 
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