The .PRO Discussion

Discussion in 'gTLD Discussion' started by InvisionTech, Sep 16, 2008.

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  1. spoofies

    spoofies Established Member

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    do you guys really feel that GEO.pro are worth registering and holding on to? i guess they can be used for local classifieds?
     
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  2. MasterGuru

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    I head another information - many GEO names, especially local cities names are subject to dispute if authorities wants this name. I head that many domains in .CA (Canada) are going that way.....
     
  3. InvisionTech

    InvisionTech Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    I think GEOs have a lot of potential as they can be used for:

    1. Real Estate Listings
    2. Professional services for that area
    3. Businesses may want to own a name that represents their local market
    4. Travel Sites

    If they had no value, you would see a lot of countries and state names still available.
     
  4. spoofies

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    good points IT, can anyone shed some light on MG's information? how is it possible that local authorities can do that, maybe it's just canadian law?
     
  5. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    Here's the latest email I had from DomainPeople even thought I submitted AV information via the RegistryPro link for every .pro listed...

    "Our records indicate that you ordered the following domains:

    maxi.pro
    projectors.pro
    quotation.pro
    incorporation.pro
    apollo.pro
    bravo.pro
    indigo.pro
    jumbo.pro
    mango.pro
    pronto.pro

    However, we can see that you have not yet submitted you AV information to the Registry. This must be completed or the Registry will delete your domains without refund.

    The Registry sends a request for each individual domain. However, in an effort to simplify this process for you, DomainPeople can generate a single link which you can use to submit your details for all of these domains at one time or group the domains appropriately.

    Please note that all domains in a specified group will be using the same AV info. So if you wish to use the same professional data for all of the domains above, we can create one single link for you. If you need to submit different professional data for certain groupings of domains, please specify the groups for us and we can create a link for each group.

    You must respond to this e-mail by Monday, October 20 in order for us to have sufficient time to create the link(s) for you."

    ...DomainPeople are a nightmare. This is the second reply NOW or we cancel your .pro domains without a refund email.

    I noticed a new record for .pro. There are TWO .pros at Sedo auction at the moment. Both with $1,500 initial bids, Spanish words for pets and classifieds.
     
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  6. spoofies

    spoofies Established Member

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    Yes, I received that e-mail also. I replied stating that I verified all my information and could provide government license again if necessary. I got an e-mail back within the hour with an apology letter stating that I was indeed verified and they made a mistake.

    Also, glad to see that .PRO is doing well on sedo. =]
     
  7. InvisionTech

    InvisionTech Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Well, I still did not receive any emails regarding names that I registered at hostway over a week ago... however, names show whois info, so this maybe a registry wide issue???
     
  8. MasterGuru

    MasterGuru Established Member

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    To be on a safe side it's better to make sure that was a mistake from domainpeople.
    And in my opinion - hostway.com is more than a nightmare :)

    What names?
     
  9. spoofies

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    anuncios.pro
    mascotas.pro

    edit: nice new additions MG i like creditor.pro
     
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  10. WordWalker

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    New .Pro Regs

    voicemail.pro
    multiplayer.pro
    discounttravel.pro
    dirtbike.pro
    horror.pro
    homework.pro
     
  11. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    I like Horror.pro, great name for a horror film review or murder mystery weekend site. I was going to register that in 2007.
     
  12. forceoflight

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    Ii was also looking for homework.pro and multiplayer.pro.

    Anyway, finally my console.pro domain's whois data is updated and I dare to declare to be the proud owner of that :)

    I started to register dotPros via Encirca, because DomainPeople and HostWay are too unsafe. Some why DomainPeople orders doesn't work. I don't get any confirmations emails from DomainPeople even how many times I try to order some domains. Additionally I have realized that you can't register via DomainPeople, because whois data gives timeout, when it tries to resolve if domain is free. Additionally I need to wait 3-5 days before some of my domains whois data was updated. Additionally bulk orders doesn't work. Because of DomainPeople's problems I lost one one very good domain :\

    Does anyone knows coupon code to Encirca? I found some coupon codes, but those doesn't work anymore?
     
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    Contracts.Pro

    Theres some nice pros here
    I recently picked up Contracts.Pro Does anyone have any thoughts on it?
    I'm aware the singluar is gone ;)

    Is everyone planning on keeping there pros for a few years or looking for a quickish flip? I'd be keen to get some more but put of by the renewal fees after the first years

    And can anyone confirm whether a Honours degree is sufficent for Credentials.
     
  14. MasterGuru

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    Good domain. Congratulations! Of course it's not a singular, but this is a good domain too.

    Also picked-up:
    meal.pro
    mill.pro
    signal.pro

    What do you think?
     
  15. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    It would be good if they did, but I don't think a degrees count. That's an academic qualification as opposed to a professional qualification. A medical coctor has a degree in medicine but it's their medical license that allows them to practice. The key is can you lose whatever license you are submitting for the AV check. You can't lose your degree but you can lose your medical license. There is some kind of ongoing scrutiny of your professional behaviour. Hopefully, at some point RegistryPro will remove these ridiculous and unworkable restrictions and focus solely on professional use. I think they will do that in 2009 or 2010. It would be foolish to site back while ICANN give gTLD's licenses to other registries and not demand a level playing field.

    The problems with Hostway and DomainPeople's .pro registration process is shocking considering Hostway Inc owns DomainPeople and RegistryPro. You would think if anybody could roll out a smooth relaunch it's going to be Hostway's own registrars. You'd think if you run a registry and registrar the main thing you'd want to get right 100% of the time is that when people click Buy, it actually registers the domains.
     
  16. spoofies

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    I am fairly certain these will be way more valuable longer into the future, I will hold onto mine an renew the ones that generate interest etc.

    Just regged issues.pro, has immense potential as a subdomain with credit.issues.pro, legal.issues.pro, etc. Also has good dnsaleprice comps with 9 results with "issues", "issue" and "issued" both have one.

    It seems that with the current sedo auctions more people are registering popular terms in spanish now, according to motion.
     
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  17. izo-pod

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    Don't fall into the "just because it's a generic it will do well" fallacy. At one time, I owned weather.pro, wedding.pro, college.pro, wireless.pro. They all "looked" good, but I'll be damned if I got any traffic. Traffic is king. Oh, and just because I owned weather.pro didn't mean I jumped to the first page in the "google" results page for the keyword "weather".

    Will .pro gain traction? I do, but no more than .org or .net. So choose wisely. What I'm going after are .pro domains which clearly describes a product or service that is in demand. Again, products or service.

    So although, "generic.pro" looks nice, that's all it really is... A "vanity" domain. I think I have enough years in this business (11 years) to have seen new domains come and go. It never changes... The first stage is eurphoria...the next..Show Me Your Domains Threads...then after about 6 months the domain flipping begins (domain to domainer).


    Now don't get me wrong. I do think .pro is way better than any of the new domains that have come out since 2000 (.biz, .us, .info, .mobi), but it will never over take .com. You have to just accept that. And yes, I am the biggest ALT domain advocate there ever was (new.net, nameslinger, pre-dot web 1996-2000...dot biz 2000-2002). I'm just telling you like it is.

    So my recommendation is to limit yourself to how many domains you buy. Then build them out. There is no reason someone couldn't "break through" the advertising clutter with one of their dot pro's. Make it into a "eHarmony" type brand. Like I've said, it's the best "new" domain to come out. I do plan on following the advice here, and begin to develop CreditScores.pro and FantasySports.pro

    Just my .02 cents. Hopefully it will save some money
     
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  18. spoofies

    spoofies Established Member

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    very good points izo-pod, I think the generic ones I will try to find end users and probably try to develop the more specific ones like microcredit, bioenergy etc.
     
  19. mjs

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    Your cents are, regrettably, far less common a currency than should be the case. My moniker provides no clue of the wasted opportunity cost that comprises much of my expired/deleted .PRO domain portfolio. I am a steadfast believer in .PRO. I am fairly certain that one day, more so than any other ALT extension to date, it will go as far as rivaling .COM in certain instances. Indeed, I hope that time reveals my predictions to have been too conservative. But unless and until, your two cents should serve as the gold standard. Happy domaining!
     
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  20. InvisionTech

    InvisionTech Established Member ★★★★★★★★★★

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    Man, I can't believe how screwed up things are at DomainPeople.com and probably same at hostway.com.

    NO BODY CAN RESOLVE YOUR ISSUE. I ordered six domains on October 15th, 2008 with DomainPeople.com. ONE of the domains goes through, all others were not registered and never went through. I called 3 or 4 times, sent few emails. Every time I get a different answer, differnt reply. I just emailed to say that I would like to have the transaction canceled that I made on october 15th, 2008. I get a reply back saying if you want to cancel your ACCOUNT you need to fill out our form. WTF? What are these people doing really?

    Anyway, I ended up registering the domains with Network Solutions and it went through JUSt fine, or at least the information is showing up in whois.

    BackPain.pro
    Cordless.pro
    Bern.pro
    MedicalEquipment.pro
    CounterTop.pro
    Compact.pro (one domain that was successful with domainpeople).
    Omaha.pro (for which I placed order on 15th, never went through so NEXT DAY someone else regged it at network solutions.)

    When people at domainpeople.com wake up, hopefully my credit card won't be charged as the domains aren't available anymore. GOOD!!!
     
  21. MasterGuru

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    Picked-up Prose.Pro and Strike.pro
    What is your opinion about this domains?
     
  22. akcampbell

    akcampbell .Pro Regular VIP

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    You make some excellent points. A generic domain is no guarantee of success, alternatives get virtually no type-in traffic, and extension fashions come and go. I can square all of three of these points with why people should register .pro.

    Firstly, generic domains are no guarantee of success. I hand regged .pro domains that would cost thousands of dollars to buy in other alternative extensions but sound half as credible.

    Surely paying reg fee for a generic .pro is better value than having to bid more than anybody else for a .me or .asia, pay a rip off annual tithe for a .tv, or overpay for a hyped ugly extension like .mobi?

    Secondly, all alternatives get virtually no type in traffic so why pay a premium for a .biz, .mobi, .tv, .me when undeveloped they would still get very little traffic?

    Only 1 in 6 internet users navigate by typing domains into their broswer. The 5 out of 6 who don't use search engines so SEO is king and .pro is at no disadvantage to other alternatives so why reg weak watered down generics in other alternative extension when you can get the real deal in .pro?

    Extension fashions come and go but that's why I would avoid .asia, .me, and .mobi. They were very well marketed, most registrars offered them, and alot of domainers banged their drum, they had every chance of succeeding in the short term but also further to fall when the crowd move on. .pro is still virtually unheard of so with only 21,000 registered people are still getting in at the beginning. You can't say that about any other gTLD.

    A .pro domain is more than just a generic keyword paired with an extension. The extension becomes part of the brand. People stuck the letters pro before and after words to make company names long before the Internet so .pro has an innate appeal as a domain extension.

    .pro doesn't need hype to prosper, it's survived in the most appalling conditions during the past 4 years, archaic restrictions that ruled out 99.9% of registrants, obscene $99 registration fees, only 1 registrar, and no marketing.

    Hopefully, the tripling of .pro registrations will convince RegistryPro to focus on the three things that brought that about;

    1) Lower reg fees. .pro is still overpriced, reg fees and renewal fees need to fall to $10,

    2) Development friendly restrictions. The more people who can register .pro, the more people will register .pro. The revised restrictions are an improvement but the extension won't succeed until RegistryPro ditch professional certification in favour of just professional use. Keep the extension professional but judge people on their output not on the letters after their name acquired 10, 20, maybe 30 years ago, before the Internet even existed.

    3) More registrar choice. The only real success here was Network Solutions. Hostway and DomainPeople don't really count because they are part of the Group that owns the registry. The situation is still dire, there is no real choice and you can't transfer .pro domains. RegistryPro have got to get a big volume registrar like Godaddy selling .pro, they sell virtually everything else so I don't know why they can't offer .pro.
     
  23. MasterGuru

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    100% agree with akcampbell and if GoDaddy will offer .PRO - domain registrations will be significantly increase and reg fee prices may be dropped to $8-$9
    It will be much better.

    and BTW - it's gone 7 days but hostway.com wasn't registred my .pro domain :) Does anybody have a real .pro registrations with hostway.com?:) Hostway - very strange people
     
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  24. izo-pod

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    I'm in total agreement with what you've said, especially the part about how .pro survived the appalling conditions for the last few years. In truth, I think Encirca saved it with it's ProForwarding Registration Service. That's how I was able to get Weather.pro, et al, that very first day the gates opened (I flipped them a year later).

    For my part in this thread, I just wanted to put things into perspective. We're starting to see appraisals of .pro domains that quite frankly were a little generous.

    Another aspect of domaining that is going to change is "real value" as opposed to "perceived" value. There will be a premium on domains that do get type in traffic. The credit or the money for that matter is going to go into the product more, and the brand less. This isn't necessarily bad news for .pro as it was pointed out there are some decent "brand ready" names out there. .Pro adds to the package by making the domain seem "smart".


     
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  25. mjs

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    I just have some endnotes, if you will. I took your comments in the nature which you intended, and thus didn't draw on some of the distinctions made by Mr. Campbell-----welcome as they are, nonetheless. But Andrew's more precise treatment of your comments does inspire me to re-visit one element of your statement. I, in fact, purchased two of the domains to which you make reference, to wit,
    wedding.pro and college.pro, and retain them to this day. At the risk of sounding self-serving, I remain a very satisfied customer. In fact, I would hold that both have strong re-sale potential, with the former, in particular, enjoying exponential development potential. Further, at the time I acquired the domains, I recall expressing disappointment that I was too late to bid for weather.pro and mobile.pro. The point I am making is merely that a strong generic in .PRO is just that------strong. Basically, if you got 'em or can get your hands on a few, smoke 'em... Otherwise, I reiterate my support for your comments, as I believe them to be particularly responsible and heart felt. Cheers!
     

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