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The official .mobi/ .asia/ .me/ .TV sucks thread

It seems every good thread these days gets filled with .mobi/ .asia/ .IDN/ .TV/ .us, debates. So here's a thread we can have at it! We can also refer people here if things get heated.

;)

I'll start with a neutral statement:

WTF is the point of .mobi?
 
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jeremyp said:
Jeffrey has 27,400 posts on NP.

Assuming 10 posts / day, this would take somewhere between 7-8 years.

Take it for what it is and try to enjoy him.

I do. He's a riot.

Jeremy
If visualization helps the comedic factor while reading, keep this image in mind :hehe:
 
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coast said:
FYI Jeff, Scandiman, Hawkeye and others who post here are developing quite a bit, too, either alone or by contracting developers, but they aren't posting their developed names. Not everyone blows their own horn. They have posted legitimate news items, as well, and mjnels is proof that you don't have to be a seasoned domainer to succeed with this tld.

I understand your concerns about enforcement of the development requirements, and I am not privy to any of the legal agreements signed by individual domain name owners or mTLD. I have been told that it is being looked into, and at the moment that is the best I can do. I am staying out of it.

One thing I do know is that it takes time to build out a professional-looking site, especially if your webmaster doesn't know the intricacies of eliminating tables, flash, and iframes, compressing graphics into small file sizes, encoding, and designing for the smallest screen. I would believe some people are intentionally breaking the rules, but I personally give the benefit of the doubt to others who haven't found the right developer.

Not that I am expecting anyone to take me up on this, but for premium domain name owners reading this who haven't found the right developer, feel free to p.m. me as I do know quite a few of them who can produce excellent work for you. The web version of my blog, http://mobienthusiast.mobi has a link to a .mobi template site and I will be happy to let you know what you need to do to modify the files to help them score higher on ready.mobi.

coast gets the 'arnie' rubberstamp of approval too :sold:
particular flair in marketing and pr too along with seo and dev. skills
 
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Rubber Duck said:
Well the dot Mobis community has all the time in the World to spend on Hype. Spending a few minutes addressing a few question for the naysayers is not such a big ask, unless you have no answers.

^ Agreed, and I - for the life of me - can't understand why both Jeremy and Paul here are continually reluctant to address the myriad of questions and concerns regarding mTLD and the fading "dot Mobey", IMHO. :|
They must either not have, or severely FEAR the answers! :guilty: :imho:

Instead, IMHO, we get this avoidance and subterfuge: :red: :imho:

jeremyp said:
He's a riot.

Jeremy

scandiman said:
If visualization helps the comedic factor while reading, keep this image[/URL] in mind :hehe:

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Reece said:
The whole RFP "development" situation was an absolute disaster and exactly what me + Jeff called it a year ago -- a flop, a lie - a big greedy lie, with zero substance and zero follow-up.

:bingo:

Please see two examples cited above for this lack of substance, and zero follow-up (other than to ridicule and post immature comments), as well! :imho:

hawkeye said:
Just look at the DNJ ytd sales.

If "reported sales" of "dot Mobey" auctioned (and having development requirements!) domains - many of which are still under the ownership of mTLD, by the way, according to the Whois - and NOT the development and promotion of actual "on the go" websites (as part of the critical "ecosystem"!), then the state of affairs and .MOBI Malaiseโ„ข is even worse than I've been stating, IMHO. :snaphappy:

coast said:
I understand your concerns about enforcement of the development requirements, and I am not privy to any of the legal agreements signed by individual domain name owners or mTLD. I have been told that it is being looked into, and at the moment that is the best I can do. I am staying out of it.

As I've mentioned, you and Mark are a cut above the standard drivel and HYPE (including subterfuge and NON answers!) that we're all getting quite used to coming out of the "dot Mobey" camp ... and I appreciate your candor, Coast! Being "looked into" like so many other things that have either gone astray or awry - or ommitted or abandoned altogether such as the RFP process for generic domains - is not acceptable to me and many others demanding the truth, humbly. We all have our own personalities, opinions, etc. and I respect that you're choosing, at this time, to stay out of it - but there are many MANY, and in increasing numbers, who want ANSWERS to the mounting questions and concerns!

Thanks for understanding, and respecting all thoughts and opinions.
-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff said:
^ Agreed, and I - for the life of me - can't understand why both Jeremy and Paul here are continually reluctant to address the myriad of questions and concerns regarding mTLD and the fading "dot Mobey", IMHO. :|
They must either not have, or severely FEAR the answers! :guilty: :imho:

Instead, IMHO, we get this avoidance and subterfuge: :red: :imho:

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Please see two examples cited above for this lack of substance, and zero follow-up (other than to ridicule and post immature comments), as well!

If "reported sales" of "dot Mobey" auctioned (and having development requirements!) domains - many of which are still under the ownership of mTLD, by the way, according to the Whois - and NOT the development and promotion of actual "on the go" websites (as part of the critical "ecosystem"!), then the state of affairs and .MOBI Malaiseโ„ข is even worse than I've been stating, IMHO.

As I've mentioned, you and Mark are a cut above the standard drivel and HYPE (including subterfuge and NON answers!) that we're all getting quite used to coming out of the "dot Mobey" camp ... and I appreciate your candor, Coast! Being "looked into" like so many other things that have either gone astray or awry - or ommitted or abandoned altogether such as the RFP process for generic domains - is not acceptable to me and many others demanding the truth, humbly. We all have our own personalities, opinions, etc. and I respect that you're choosing, at this time, to stay out of it - but there are many MANY, and in increasing numbers, who want ANSWERS to the mounting questions and concerns!

Thanks for understanding, and respecting all thoughts and opinions.
-Jeff B-)
HA HA HA... Jeremy is right your stuff is hilarious!! Never saw it from that angle!! Blaming members for not having answers for some company they don't work for, and then making it out like if they don't have those answers..then they are avoiding you and making things up!! HA HA HA..great stuff there Jeffery! HA HA..

I got it!..., maybe we all should ask school students why the educational systems are so screwed up, and then criticize them for not knowing the answers. HA. How dare they not know, after all they go to the schools, they should know!!!! Why ask the ones with the answers, when you can criticize others who aren't able to answer them. It makes for more self righteousness and, the all important....'more eyeballs' for the threads!!! HAHAHAHAHA...... My bad, I was taking it that the messenger was the 'funny' one, (yes, as in farm) not that the messages were 'intentionally funny'!! Ya crack me up 'oh witty one'!!

Probably why you regged names like 'Skedaddle' and 'Honkers' during landrush, it was 'funny' not domainer intelligence or insight!!!!

:hehe: :hehe: :hehe:
 
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hawkeye said:
HA HA HA... Jeremy is right your stuff is hilarious!! HA HA..

...Ya crack me up 'oh witty one'!! :hehe:

^ That's fine, really, but these types of posts are still immature drivel ... as well as avoidance and subterfuge! :| :imho:

We know that the long, two-syllabled, extremely awkward, and unprofessional .MOBI (known by most now as the "dot Mobey") is VERY PROBLEMATIC from a branding perspective ... and we also now KNOW that mTLD has abandoned the once promised RFP process for its generic terms and is not enforcing the mandated development requirements, IMHO. :o :sick:

Two things that mTLD and "dot Mobey" were once pushing - it's "brandability" and its so-called "trustmark" - are BOTH completely meaningless and out the window ... being replaced, of course, with immediate :$: GREED MONEY! :o
Look for even more creative ways / schemes to maximize their greed profits in the near future, as well! :imho:

Promises made and then broken, rules and even agreements conveniently altered (or ommitted and erased altogether), dreams and trust shattered ... and yet still no answers to the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS! :tri:
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff said:
^ That's fine, but these types of posts are still immature drivel ... as well as avoidance and subterfuge! :| :imho:

We know that the long, two-syllabled, extremely awkward, and unprofessional .MOBI (known by most now as the "dot Mobey") is VERY PROBLEMATIC from a branding perspective ... and we also now KNOW that mTLD has abandoned the once promised RFP process for its generic terms and is not enforcing the mandated development requirements, IMHO. :o :sick:

Two things that mTLD and "dot Mobey" were once pushing - it's "brandability" and its so-called "trustmark" - are BOTH completely meaningless and out the window ... being replaced, of course, with immediate :$: GREED MONEY! :o
Look for even more creative ways / schemes to maximize their greed profits in the near future, as well!Promises made and then broken, rules conveniently altered (or ommitted and erased altogether), dreams and trust shattered ... and still no answers to the QUESTIONS and CONCERNS!
Tick. Tock.

-Jeff B-)
HAHAHAHAHA more funny stuff there!! And of course all of these opinions are YOUR assumptions and critiques of. No where can they be found or substantiated to be absolute. But then again...you are all knowing!!

Just kills you when someone changes course to better their course of action for positive results doesn't it. (bet I can tell who you voted for in our last two elections...)

hehehehe...
 
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Jeff said:
Mark, you, like Coast, to me are a cut above the aforementioned drivel and spam ... and I continue to applaud your development efforts as they relate to your "dot Mobey" interests, IMHO. :gl:

However, if your best analogy for the dwindling "dot Mobey" is a "shirt back in the 50's (that is, 1950's (now over 50 years ago!)) that had a union label on it", then I'm sure you can now clearly see the obsolete and HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC nature of this long, and very awkward extension, and it's serious lack of acceptance and adoption by both corporations and End users / developers alike (those other than defensive โ„ข domains that are currently being pumped as "newsworhty" to combat the ongoing .MOBI Malaiseโ„ข and rather than - subterfuge - actually addressing the increasing questions and concerns)! :guilty: :imho:

Have a great Sunday, friends! :music:
-Jeff B-)
I used that analogy so that the elder side in you might be able to relate...not because it's obsolete. Older analogies tend to stick with an older generation. Just trying to simplify by using terms you're familiar with. Again, you're attempting to make a mountain out of a mole hill. K-I-S-S :hehe: Mobi = a specifically designed mobile ready site.Nothing more, nothing less. No added techonology... No need for smart phones...No need for guessing what to type in. Again...it's pretty simple, yet you still don't see the light?

Why does a 4 character tld bother you? How does Jeff define long and awkward? Why can't your mind process the connection of mobi = mobile? It must be the inner-domainer in you that prevents this simple logic. I deal with customers every day. Real people, not domainers. After a simple explanation, I have yet to get a response of "I don't understand" or "I don't get it" or even "Why don't they just use m.anything.com". These people "get it" right away and I have yet had anyone question using dotMobi. They love the idea of having a tld for mobile sites. Every one of them. Not most.
 
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As I understand it, Jeff wants to know why so many premium .mobi names won at auctions with development requirements aren't developed. I don't think that is an unreasonable question. He apparently ascribes bad motives to mtld for this, whereas I do not.

Hopefully, whatever is holding that process back will be worked out soon. I would imagine that once we start to see either a majority of premium names developed and/or a good reason for why that is not happening, he will stop asking that question.

I would also add another question: why is it necessary to intentionally misspell the tld as "dot mobey?" That is pretty insulting to .mobi investors, by the way, and I wish you would stop doing that.
 
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coast said:
As I understand it, Jeff wants to know why so many premium .mobi names won at auctions with development requirements aren't developed. I don't think that is an unreasonable question. He apparently ascribes bad motives to mtld for this, whereas I do not.

Hopefully, whatever is holding that process back will be worked out soon. I would imagine that once we start to see either a majority of premium names developed and/or a good reason for why that is not happening, he will stop asking that question.

^ Thank you, Holly! :blink:

coast said:
I would also add another question: why is it necessary to intentionally misspell the tld as "dot mobey?"

I will hereby refer to it as ".mobi" (or whatever you'd like me to call it) IF we can finally get all of the ANSWERS to these questions and concerns here in this space ... :yell: :imho:

Mark, you like Holly, are breaths of fresh air ... and I thank you both for adding to the lively, healthy discussion here, IMHO. We're apparently still a good bit of a way from the ANSWERS to the key questions and concerns that have been severely plaguing the "dot Mobey" and mTLD, but at least we're on topic, not acting juvenile (as can be witnessed above over and over again), and working together in a reasonable fashion to share thoughts and opinions in this quest, humbly. :gl:

One of my best friends in the world, and highly intellient and savvy - her name is Jen - has a new iPhone and surfs on that thing and send messages like a crazy woman! :talk: :hearts:
She visits sites - regular .COM websites - all the time, and uses the internet with ease in surfing, ordering stuff, emails, you name it, no worries. I sat down with her over the weekend and told her about the ".MOBI" and pointed her to a few sites (let's face it, there are only a few, real stand-alone (not redirects, defensive corporate โ„ข "cookie cutter" stuff and subdomain hosted, etc.), bone-fide developed webistes to point her to ... ) and she thought they were "fake" or "dummy" sites, IHHO. She specifically told me that the ".mobi" itself seemed very unprofessional and even made-up, not having any real credibility. The experience, she went on to say, was very limiting ... she could not understand why she wasn't able to get the full enjoyment and use of the website(s), as the .COM had always provided her! Jen is extremely HiP and VERY INTELLIGENT (like one or two questions away from perfect on her SAT's, and MBA, well traveled, making a LOT of money, etc.) ... and she thought the "dot Mobey" was bogus and had no future in a burgeoning and totally unrestricted Mobile Webยฉ. :talk:

Hopefully ^ these perceptions and CONCERNS can be addressed adequately, as well! :guilty:
-Jeff B-)
 
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is "Jen" the same person as "Meg" ? :snaphappy:
 
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Jeff said:
I will hereby refer to it as ".mobi" (or whatever you'd like me to call it) IF we can finally get all of the ANSWERS to these questions and concerns here in this space ... :yell: :imho:

Mark, you like Holly, are breaths of fresh air ... and I thank you both for adding to the lively, healthy discussion here, IMHO. We're apparently still a good bit of a way from the ANSWERS to the key questions and concerns that have been severely plaguing the "dot Mobey" and mTLD, but at least we're on topic, not acting juvenile (as can be witnessed above over and over again), and working together in a reasonable fashion to share thoughts and opinions in this quest, humbly. :gl:

One of my best friends in the world, and highly intellient and savvy - her name is Jen - has a new iPhone and surfs on that thing and send messages like a crazy woman! :talk: :hearts:
She visits sites - regular .COM websites - all the time, and uses the internet with ease in surfing, ordering stuff, emails, you name it, no worries. I sat down with her over the weekend and told her about the ".MOBI" and pointed her to a few sites (let's face it, there are only a few, real stand-alone (not redirects, defensive corporate โ„ข "cookie cutter" stuff and subdomain hosted, etc.), bone-fide developed webistes to point her to ... ) and she thought they were "fake" or "dummy" sites, IHHO. She specifically told me that the ".mobi" itself seemed very unprofessional and even made-up, not having any real credibility. The experience, she went on to say, was very limiting ... she could not understand why she wasn't able to get the full enjoyment and use of the website(s), as the .COM had always provided her! Jen is extremely HiP and VERY INTELLIGENT (like one or two questions away from perfect on her SAT's, and MBA, well traveled, making a LOT of money, etc.) ... and she thought the "dot Mobey" was bogus and had no future in a burgeoning and totally unrestricted Mobile Webยฉ. :talk:

Hopefully ^ these perceptions and CONCERNS can be addressed adequately, as well! :guilty:
-Jeff B-)

I guess it's harder to break the "dot mobey" habit than you expected, eh Jeff?

As for the iPhone, it makes up less than 1% of traffic to .mobi sites, so out of courtesy for non-smartphone users the world over, the simple design typically wins out.

In the U.S., the iPhone and other similar devices are more widely available since many businesses can afford them, as well as people in the socioeconomic bracket with your friend with the MBA. Perhaps people in other geographic locations use it, too, but since I don't live there I don't know for certain. Few people outside this thin economic layer can afford that.

Owners of developed .mobi sites have shared their traffic numbers with me, and the vast majority of their mobile traffic (and mine, I might add), comes through on a Nokia browser. I don't have exact figures, but I understand that worldwide Nokia sells more phones than anyone else (most are not smartphones) so it stands to reason that many developers choose to accomodate the lower end devices on the spectrum to include those end users. This is especially important for clickthrough advertising, as it is a well known fact in marketing that people in countries that are just now discovering the internet (via their phones) click on ads more frequently than those of us in North America who ignore most ads.

I hope that answers your second question. I am still waiting for an answer on the first one.
 
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Jeff said:
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I will hereby refer to it as ".mobi" (or whatever you'd like me to call it) IF we can finally get all of the ANSWERS to these questions and concerns here in this space ... :yell: :imho:

Mark, you like Holly, are breaths of fresh air ... and I thank you both for adding to the lively, healthy discussion here, IMHO. We're apparently still a good bit of a way from the ANSWERS to the key questions and concerns that have been severely plaguing the "dot Mobey" and mTLD,
"...and the band plays on.." _\|/_
 
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coast said:
As for the iPhone, it makes up less than 1% of traffic to .mobi sites, so out of courtesy for non-smartphone users the world over, the simple design typically wins out.

There are so FEW actual, developed, stand-alone .mobi websites ... and so many .COM developed websites, that less than 1% (or much less) would make sense, IMHO. How much traffic from iPhones and smartphones go to .COM websites? Where can we find these stats? :gl:
Things are, of course, moving VERY QUICKLY ... and auto-detections and browser advances are favoring .COM in the mobile space (at the expense of unnecessary, restricting, "watered down" platforms), in my view. :guilty:

Owners of developed .mobi sites have shared their traffic numbers with me, and the vast majority of their mobile traffic (and mine, I might add), comes through on a Nokia browser.

I'd like to see the specific traffic numbers and browsers for these websites (as well as to the counterpart .COM's, as referenced above) if possible. :gl:

I am still waiting for an answer on the first one.

Thanks again for your professionalism, Holly ... hopefully more to come here very soon regarding mTLD and the ".mobi"! :blink:
-Jeff B-)
 
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Jeff said:
I will hereby refer to it as ".mobi" (or whatever you'd like me to call it) IF we can finally get all of the ANSWERS to these questions and concerns here in this space ... :yell: :imho:
What specific questions and concerns Jeff, make your complete list known now, publicly available for everyone to see. Please number them. This is your complete and final list. Put yourself on the record, in full. This is a list you can not stray from in the future.
 
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Jeff said:
There are so FEW actual, developed, stand-alone .mobi websites ... and so many .COM developed websites, that less than 1% (or much less) would make sense, IMHO. How much traffic from iPhones and smartphones go to .COM websites? Where can we find these stats? :gl:
Things are, of course, moving VERY QUICKLY ... and auto-detections and browser advances are favoring .COM in the mobile space (at the expense of unnecessary, restricting, "watered down" platforms), in my view. :guilty:



I'd like to see the specific traffic numbers and browsers for these websites (as well as to the counterpart .COM's, as referenced above) if possible. :gl:



Thanks again for your professionalism, Holly ... hopefully more to come here very soon regarding mTLD and the ".mobi"! :blink:
-Jeff B-)

I'm going to turn the responsibility for getting those questions answered back over to you, Jeff. As I was taught to say in teacher training, "That sounds like a good research project. When you're done, we'd love you to share it with the class." :lol:
 
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coast said:
I'm going to turn the responsibility for getting those questions answered back over to you, Jeff. As I was taught to say in teacher training, "That sounds like a good research project. When you're done, we'd love you to share it with the class." :lol:
There you go, let the questionier find and bring us the answers he seeks, for only he can truely find that which answers his thirst for concrete proof!

...but will he?? Or will it be pushed off to others for the reasons of 'more postings'????
 
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coast said:
As I understand it, Jeff wants to know why so many premium .mobi names won at auctions with development requirements aren't developed. I don't think that is an unreasonable question. He apparently ascribes bad motives to mtld for this, whereas I do not.

Hopefully, whatever is holding that process back will be worked out soon. I would imagine that once we start to see either a majority of premium names developed and/or a good reason for why that is not happening, he will stop asking that question.

Paul, as you're well aware ... the questions and concerns are throughout this thread and others like it, and begin with the unanswered questions of Pinkard in 2006, IMHO. To start, Holly (as she posted above) is now helping to get the answers to the above questions - specifically, why so many premium "dot Mobey" names won at auctions (Traffic and Sedo) with development requirements are not fully developed according to the mandate ... also why the RFP process was abandoned for the generic words/terms, and how mTLD plans to get literally 1,000's and 1,000's+/+ of these "reserved" domains into the hands of End user / developers in the immediate future? :| :snaphappy:
Of course, again as you know, there are so many questions and concerns that have been publicly referenced by folks ... but let's start with these for now, IMHO.

-Jeff B-)
 
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its so silly... why would you keep asking questions that none of us on this forum could possibly know?

is it time for some crisp, cool & refreshing 21+โ„ข beverages yet, IMHO...?
 
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Jeff said:
Paul, as you're well aware ... the questions and concerns are throughout this thread and others like it, and begin with the unanswered questions of Pinkard in 2006, IMHO. To start, Holly (as she posted above) is now helping to get the answers to the above questions - specifically, why so many premium "dot Mobey" names won at auctions (Traffic and Sedo) with development requirements are not fully developed according to the mandate ... also why the RFP process was abandoned for the generic words/terms, and how mTLD plans to get literally 1,000's and 1,000's+/+ of these "reserved" domains into the hands of End user / developers in the immediate future? :| :snaphappy:

Of course, again as you know, there are so many questions and concerns that have been publicly referenced by folks ... but let's start with these for now, IMHO.

-Jeff B-)
It's funny watching you praise other members for their professionalism while you deride their interests and won't even have the decency to list in one post all your specific questions and concerns in one concise list that people can address. It tells me you don't even know your own questions and concerns, just whatever crap you can think up for that day. You just want to continue to drag this out, day after day, month after month, year after year.

Besides, it is only fair you should list ALL the questions and concerns in one easy to follow numbered list since you made this your requirement for you to change one of your many annoying anti mobi habits. You have no intention of doing this since you only want to continue to drag this out foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......

Jeff said:
I will hereby refer to it as ".mobi" (or whatever you'd like me to call it) IF we can finally get all of the ANSWERS to these questions and concerns here in this space ...

coast said:
I'm going to turn the responsibility for getting those questions answered back over to you, Jeff. As I was taught to say in teacher training, "That sounds like a good research project. When you're done, we'd love you to share it with the class." :lol:

Jeff, it looks like you lost your research assistant, or I should say research slave since you have no intention of actually doing anything but complain about .mobi and mTLD.
 
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Jeff said:
To start, Holly (as she posted above) is now helping to get the answers to the above questions - specifically, why so many premium "dot Mobey" names won at auctions (Traffic and Sedo) with development requirements are not fully developed according to the mandate ... also why the RFP process was abandoned for the generic words/terms, and how mTLD plans to get literally 1,000's and 1,000's+/+ of these "reserved" domains into the hands of End user / developers in the immediate future? :| :snaphappy:

^ Please see Holly's post above, which I believe accurately reflects the most pressing AND VERY REASONABLE questions and concerns at this time (and I even went beyond this and referenced several other questions and concerns raised by both myself and many MANY others with good intents here in this space), IMHO. Of course, many will recall the MULTITUDE of questions raised here by the #1 Communityโ„ข over the preceeding months - that have still not been adequately addressed ITHO's at this time ... as referenced, in part, by some of the following general summary additional questions and concerns from as far back as the period of May - June, 2007: :gl:

* Will there be a .MOBI 'default button'?

* What happened to the RFP process?
:o

* Will all premium / generic names be released in the first two years?
:red:

* What percentage of premium / generic names will be released via RFP process, and when?

Please provide some specifics regarding the financial investment and level of commitment of and by the "backers"?

Will the code compliance be enforced? If so, when?
:snaphappy:

Will the development requirement mandates be enforced? When?
:!:

What advertising and consumer awareness efforts will mTLD be doing to promote .mobi to the public? When will we see this happening?

There are many more questions that have been raised over time, but I think direct answers to these would suffice most who are having these concerns at this time, IMHO.
Thank you for understanding.
-Jeff B-)
 
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