The official .mobi, .asia, .IDN sucks thread

[soggyindo]

The official .mobi/ .asia/ .me/ .TV sucks thread

It seems every good thread these days gets filled with .mobi/ .asia/ .IDN/ .TV/ .us, debates. So here's a thread we can have at it! We can also refer people here if things get heated.



I'll start with a neutral statement:

WTF is the point of .mobi?

 

[Sam]

But I have registered Two IDN .coms just in case they take off:

freshëns. com just cause their smoothie cups all have the IDN name -__-.
kynli(its a weird i) f.com - icelandic for sex.

Yearly traffic: kynlif.com - 0 Freshens- 43

 

[Keith]

That's great, thanks Jeremy ... if you could please address the "dot Mobey" / mTLD QUESTIONS and CONCERNS, it would be appreciated!

1,000's and 1,000's+/+ of reserved domains are still languishing in the exclusive ownership of mTLD ... how can you reconcile this in the face of the iPhone and other emerging, advancing mobile technologies (that favor established extensions such as the .COM!) that have rendered the long and clumsy and unbrandable ".MOBI" extension essentially obsolete?

-Jeff

Where is the evidence of mobi becoming obsolete? Quite the opposite
from what I can see. More and more companies going mobi everyday...
even m. are switching to mobi :p

Denial will get you nowhere. The first step is admitting you really see
mobi progressing...how could you not?

 

[Sam]

I wouldn't write the Chinese and the Arabs so easily. America is bleeding at the moment and these guys are cleaning up. Personally, I would see the Chinese economy bigger than USA somewhere around 2015, but certainly no later than 2020. If you are ever going to make a record amount on a novelty domain, then look to the Arab, Indian or Russian buyers. These guys have serious money and serious egos. Have you any idea what UAE number plates go for?

Yes, you can get IDN in dot TW, but most of the Tawainese in the game are into dot Com. If you can read Chinese, go to IDNclub.com.

Yes BIGGER then the US... of course their population is much larger. I see things in terms of the "average" person. I doubt by 2020 all of them will have computers and surf the web to buy stuff, but hey I could be wrong.

Oh I do know the arabs is a great market, just too darn hard to research with all those complicated scripts. Better leave it to the arab experts. Novelty names, of course thats where my One letters come in handy. I wonder how much 1.** would go for the right buyer .

Of course the entire ARAB economy is based off OIL, besides dubai and the UAE. It could be a crash and burn. There seems to be a few rich oil sheiks / connected politicians / businessmen, and the rest. Dunno how that translates to internet traffic.

IMO, traffic value is what drives domain value. One should research all the countries before they dive in. IDN especially. I don't see the hype about India i really don't. Only the small 5-10% have regular internet access. They all speak english, and thus will all use ASCII for being "educated".

Where is the evidence of mobi becoming obsolete? Quite the opposite
from what I can see. More and more companies going mobi everyday...
even m. are switching to mobi :p

Denial will get you nowhere. The first step is admitting you really see
mobi progressing...how could you not?

Its neither progressing nor regressing. Traffic is remaining at absolute 0 or very little for most names.

One could argue the reseller market is regressing, but one should not just value an extension by reseller to reseller sales.

 

[Keith]

Its neither progressing nor regressing. Traffic is remaining at absolute 0 or very little for most names.

One could argue the reseller market is regressing, but one should not just value an extension by reseller to reseller sales.

Traffic is coming to developed names. Of course you're right on as
far as parked names are concerned.

It is going to take time for brand awareness and more corporate
adaption before things really take off.

 

[mjnels]

TLDs where 'investments' have less chance of paying off than a ticket to the national lottery -

.ASIA
.MOBI
.ASIA
.NAME
.ASIA
.EU
.ASIA
.TK
.ASIA

Oh, and did I mention... .ASIA?

well, then I and some other .mobi landrush fanatics have won the lottery. but of course people will say, 'yea but that was when they first came out, all the good registrations worth something are gone.'

and i say.... but nobody was saying that back then.... it might be hard for some to remember that short 2 years ago... but i distinctly remember single worders "not having a chance in hell at being worth regfee" according to most of the forum experts. its interesting to hear the evolution of excuses... we're all here to make some cash, whether it be with a full scale business or flipping domains. both types of money spend. :p

 

[Rubber Duck]

IMO, traffic value is what drives domain value. One should research all the countries before they dive in. IDN especially. I don't see the hype about India i really don't. Only the small 5-10% have regular internet access. They all speak english, and thus will all use ASCII for being "educated".

Well in terms of Mobiles, India is already a bigger market than the US. It will soon have more entries in the Forbes top 10 than the US. More of the UK heavy manufacturering is Indian owned than is owned by the British. And the presumption that English will be the language of choice is grossly mistaken.

 

[mwzd]

mjnels, how many .mobis have you sold? How many are developed? Care to share :hehe:

I can't seem to give .mobis away, might not be the best but even reg fee is too much for these names it seems...

Can you also explain why the mobi marketplace hardly ever has sales? Or is the dealing all in the backroom? Just like the development :p

 

[jeremyp]

mjnels, how many .mobis have you sold? How many are developed? Care to share :hehe:

I can't seem to give .mobis away, might not be the best but even reg fee is too much for these names it seems...

Can you also explain why the mobi marketplace hardly ever has sales? Or is the dealing all in the backroom? Just like the development :p

Landrush and MTLD names sell well.

You were just too late to the game.

Jeremy

 

[mwzd]

Jeremy, your site searches the entire mobile web... 1583 documents searched.

I came to late to .com/.in too... doesn't seem to matter much.

Are you trying to tell me anything registered outside the land rush or MTLD is trash viz. mobi?

Landrush and MTLD names sell well.

You were just too late to the game.

Jeremy

 

[hawkeye]

I came to late to .com/.in too... doesn't seem to matter much.

Are you trying to tell me anything registered outside the land rush or MTLD is trash viz. mobi?

It's really all in what one registers, and how it would/will be applicable for current or early usage for mobile surfing. Too many just bought names as if they were to be used for regular pc surfing. Not to say those can't or won't be of use, but in the early stages, like anything new, the best applicable names, and/or those just coveted by someone, are going to be the better and more often selling ones. I just sold a .mobi on SEDO the other day for $xxxx, (and OMG, it was an enduser!, in Dallas) that I regged a year ago. So, not just landrush or pre-regs were/are the best.
But..., a majority of them are!!

 

[DomainTalker]

Or is the dealing all in the backroom? Just like the development :p

There's a lot of buying/selling activity in .mobi - currently - in private sales...that are not announced publicly.


As an example - I, personally, have been involved in over 20 private .mobi financial transactions over the past 3-4 months....Transactions ranging from $xxx to $xx,xxx....I know of many others.


Business is being done, in .mobi, continually, and profits are being made...If anyone here is not aware of that, then I guess I'd have to say that those people are just not close enough to the action to know what's really going on currently, in .mobi...

.

 

[jeremyp]

Jeremy, your site searches the entire mobile web... 1583 documents searched.

I came to late to .com/.in too... doesn't seem to matter much.

Are you trying to tell me anything registered outside the land rush or MTLD is trash viz. mobi?

Hey, good point. I can't defend that one. I need to update the site.

Regarding non-landrush and non-MTLD released - not trash. However, speculation on those types of domains will not result in an immediate windfall. Until there is more development and awareness in .mobi, these types of names need to be developed... alternatively, the occasional enduser might surprise you.

I've never been one to say purchase any .mobi for an immediate gain. I've always been biased toward the MTLD and Landrush names for speculation.

This applies to practically all domain name extensions.

Jeremy

 

[Sam]

Landrush always gets the best names, regardless of extension. If a name is available after the first week of unrestricted landrush, its probably not worth it

 

[Work In Progress]

That's great, thanks Jeremy ... if you could please address the "dot Mobey" / mTLD QUESTIONS and CONCERNS, it would be appreciated!

1,000's and 1,000's+/+ of reserved domains are still languishing in the exclusive ownership of mTLD ... how can you reconcile this in the face of the iPhone and other emerging, advancing mobile technologies (that favor established extensions such as the .COM!) that have rendered the long and clumsy and unbrandable ".MOBI" extension essentially obsolete?

-Jeff

Quick question Jeff: What makes you state that .mobi extension is "essentially obsolete" due to "advancing mobile technologies", blah, blah, blah iPhone, blah blah blah, other newer mobile devices, blah blah blah.....???
Just to refresh your memory, dotMobi extension has nothing to do with high or low technology. It's nothing more than a guaranty that visitors will go to a site that is designed for mobile viewing. Trying to make dotMobi into something it's not will only continue to cloud your vision. Wipe off those glasses, my friend..there's a rosy color under there somewhere and you're afraid to let it show.

Try thinking of a dotmobi site as a shirt back in the 50's that had a union label on it. Remember "look for the union label"? Sure, you do! It was supposed to assure quality. Now, enter dotMobi...it is nothing else than an assurance of quality. dotMobi is the "Union Label" of mobile extensions.

Can any extension provide a quality mobile site? Sure they can. But none other than dotMobi can guaranty one. Not to mention, there's no guess work with what to type in. Do I type in m.weather.com or weather.com.mobile or weather.com/pda or on and on and on...OR can I play it safe and type weather.mobi? Pretty simple really. You just need to open your mind to see it. Close minded people will never "get it". Too simple of a concept, I guess. Take it down a few notches and simplify. You may just see a light-bulb turn on!

 

[raredn.com]

China, they will bury you if you do not recognise the threat that their economic expansion poses. :lol:

This China IDN part I don't get at all, I would understand if China was not a Communist Regime and had freedom of speech and freedom of browsing websites, but it doesn't, so any domains registered for the China market are going to be blocked by the 'Chinese Peoples Liberation Army' if not straight away then soon after. Links on your pages could go to a website they don't approve, so they will block your domains to pre empt this from happening.

Your China IDN's don't get clicks (or many clicks), because the Chinese are living in fear if they are not following the communist path to a 'T'. Plus since you live outside of China, this puts your particular Chinese IDN's all the more in the boycott zone. I can understand your approach to other country IDN's, but China is just a no go zone...

 

[Rubber Duck]

This china IDN part I don't get at all, I would understand if China was not a Communist Regime and had freedom of speech and freedom of browsing websites, but it doesn't, so any domains registered for the China market are going to be blocked by the 'Chinese Peoples Liberation Army' if not straight away then soon after. Links on your pages could go to a website they don't approve, so they will block your domains to pre empt this from happening.

Your China IDN's don't get clicks (or many clicks), because the Chinese are living in fear if they are not following the communist path to a 'T'. Plus since you live outside of China, this puts your particular Chinese IDN's all the more in the boycott zone. I can understand your approach to other country IDN's, but China is just a no go zone...

I really just don't know how to answer that!
:lol:

Do you really think it will be greatly beneficial to follow the latest US Democratic trend. ONE man HALF a VOTE.

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7428909.stm

What a travesty of the principle of Universal Sufferage that is!

 

[mwzd]

I, personally, have been involved in over 20 private .mobi financial transactions over the past 3-4 months....Transactions ranging from $xxx to $xx,xxx....I know of many others.

With your portfolio, I don't find that surprising. I'd be doing those in .ws with those names too :P But the sign of a healthy eco-system are easy reg fee sales... find that really lacking in .mobi, but like you say, probably thats just me, though you can see incidences of this all over the mobi marketplace.

This applies to practically all domain name extensions.

Might surprise you to learn that .in registered three months before the fact get decent offers... again not all but some. Even crappy registered yesterday .coms can be sold for 2x reg fee, even to domainers.

If a name is available after the first week of unrestricted landrush, its probably not worth it

:hehe: Truer words were never spoken... so openly that is

 

[-REECE-]

Mobi has definitely taken a dump lately -- and not just post-landrush names... Even a mobi investor like me has enough sense to admit what is obvious.

Endusers sales mean little -- even .asia has a few exceptional ones... When you have to start quoting enduser sales... That's when you know things aren't going as intended :imho:

I still plan on developing mine nevertheless (have some good names for SEO).

 

[mjnels]

mjnels, how many .mobis have you sold? How many are developed? Care to share :hehe:

I can't seem to give .mobis away, might not be the best but even reg fee is too much for these names it seems...

Can you also explain why the mobi marketplace hardly ever has sales? Or is the dealing all in the backroom? Just like the development :p

hundreds sold, zero of mine are developed... or if you mean how many of my names i sold that are now developed.... my answer is: i dont keep track of that, but i would guess somewhere along the lines of less than 1%.

there is a huge price gap between "great mobi's" and "decent mobi's".... but most people are only interested in the "great ones" at this point.

the reason: the market is flooded, as it was supposed to be in 2008.... the year all the shitty .mobi are dropping, premium .mobi still being auctioned off every few months by mTLD.. investors are selling off some names before renewal.

price drops have happend, as expected since 2006. im riding the waves, surfs up. :wave:

 

[Rubber Duck]

So every boat comes with a paddle! :bingo: