The LLLL.com sales and discussion thread

[italiandragon]

Hello, I think it would be pretty useful to keep track of all LLLL.com sales , even the little ones under $100 so that , pretty soon , when the available LLLL.com will be finished , we`ll have a better idea on market prices.

It is important that these sales are confirmed. So before to post, make sure payment went OK.

I will start with todays` Sedo confirmed sales:

FISE.com 2,700 Euros
TSRT.com US $760
VEUP.com US $1,700


Also, I found interesting to see this average LLLL, getting bids up to $51 and reserve not me. It says it all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...110154111735_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40QQfviZ1

 

[VURG]

If any LLLL.com has value, then why so many of them get dropped? LLL.coms get dropped occasionally, as well, but for 1 LLL.com dropped there are probably 1000 LLLL.coms dropped, not 26.

And, if any LLLL.com has value, why majority of them end with 1 bid at $10? Wouldn't you expect some competition for a valuable resource? And how does the value of $10 appear? Why $10? And why it is not growing over the time to, say, $15 minimum?

Lots of these domains get dropped because they don't have a lot of value. Just because GoDaddy expired auctions has a steady stream of buyers doesn't mean that the average person can liquidate their domains easily. A lot of people don't know what to do with them.

Why is the competition not pushing up the price? My understanding of the domain market is that domains that have value below $30 are considered by many to have no value at all. I expect the LLLL.com prices to hover around $10-$15 for quite a while. It is my observation that low priced domains hover at prices and jump and fall significantly based on confidence in the market. I think that these are growing in price over time but time takes time.

 

[accent]

Well, long time no see, Vurg. Welcome.

I disagree with Vurg a bit in that I think we will see accelerated growth over the next year - if the economy comes out of recession as it appears to be doing. The number of dropping domains is small compared to the number that are not dropped. A small increase in demand, such as would be expected as more money filters through the economy, would be enough to soak up the surplus and put pressure on prices.

 

[noy.com]

There are 456976 LLLL.coms. Let's say around 100K are popular language words, geonames etc.
Additionally, around 40K (excluding overlaps) are pronounceable and/or memorable in some way. Let's say, there are 60K (for round number sake) that have 2-3 letters of meaningful combination (cctlds, state codes, s in the end for popular abbreviation, short 2-3 letter word etc.), which adds to memorability/pronounceability. Plus, let's say, there are 100K of potential company name abbreviations.

That leaves still around 150K of garbage (for now at least).

Every months probably around 4000 of them gets dropped or around 50K in a year. And probably most of them are from last category. So all the garbage gets picked up by "gold-hunters", and with average portfolio of around 30 names, it'd take only 5000 of them from around the world, to book all of it.

And then 30% drops tells you about the lesson learned the hard way by them. There would be even more, if not for "escalated commitment" syndrome that we, humans, have. The more we have spent, the more we are willing to spend further, not to admit a waste.

 

[bmugford]

There are not 150K "garbage" LLLL.com

Even after you take out the obvious ones with value like -

- Words
- Easily Pronounceable
- CVCV
- Quads
- Containing Acronyms
- Unique Patterns

All the rest are not garbage. Many that appear like gabrage to the average domainer have potential end users, or are premium in other languages, etc.

Many LLLL.com are developed as well, so you can take those out of the equation.

I have sold several "Garbage" LLLL.com for good money.

Brad

There are 456976 LLLL.coms. Let's say around 100K are popular language words, geonames etc.
Additionally, around 40K (excluding overlaps) are pronounceable and/or memorable in some way. Let's say, there are 60K (for round number sake) that have 2-3 letters of meaningful combination (cctlds, state codes, s in the end for popular abbreviation, short 2-3 letter word etc.), which adds to memorability/pronounceability. Plus, let's say, there are 100K of potential company name abbreviations.

That leaves still around 150K of garbage (for now at least).

Every months probably around 4000 of them gets dropped or around 50K in a year. And probably most of them are from last category. So all the garbage gets picked up by "gold-hunters", and with average portfolio of around 30 names, it'd take only 5000 of them from around the world, to book all of it.

And then 30% drops tells you about the lesson learned the hard way by them. There would be even more, if not for "escalated commitment" syndrome that we, humans, have. The more we have spent, the more we are willing to spend further, not to admit a waste.

 

[noy.com]

of course, there are no "garbage" ones. That's why around 50k of them gets dropped every year. I guess, they are so hot, they burn hole right through the owner's account at registrar ))

I don't doubt you sold couple of "garbage" ones. But how many of those did you have to hold and for how long to get couple of sales? And how do you know if it was not mere luck? I.e. if 10 domainers buy 100 garbage domains at random, 3 of them might make profit, 3 be at zero and 4 lose money. Probably those 3 might tell stories how great it has been, but 4 that lost money are going to shut up about it.

 

[1john2004]

of course, there are no "garbage" ones. That's why around 50k of them gets dropped every year. I guess, they are so hot, they burn hole right through the owner's account at registrar ))

bs

 

[maxeaus]

of course, there are no "garbage" ones. That's why around 50k of them gets dropped every year. I guess, they are so hot, they burn hole right through the owner's account at registrar ))

I don't doubt you sold couple of "garbage" ones. But how many of those did you have to hold and for how long to get couple of sales? And how do you know if it was not mere luck? I.e. if 10 domainers buy 100 garbage domains at random, 3 of them might make profit, 3 be at zero and 4 lose money. Probably those 3 might tell stories how great it has been, but 4 that lost money are going to shut up about it.

Well that may be so assuming everyone has garbage LLLL.com, but most here have a mix of great/good/average and of course bad.

I know myself that i sold two LLLL.com this year that made the big board sales, so I'm hardly worried about ones that don't perform.

At least i cant be accused of shamelessly plugging my sale! :hehe:

 

[Nem0]

of course, there are no "garbage" ones. That's why around 50k of them gets dropped every year. I guess, they are so hot, they burn hole right through the owner's account at registrar ))

I don't doubt you sold couple of "garbage" ones. But how many of those did you have to hold and for how long to get couple of sales? And how do you know if it was not mere luck? I.e. if 10 domainers buy 100 garbage domains at random, 3 of them might make profit, 3 be at zero and 4 lose money. Probably those 3 might tell stories how great it has been, but 4 that lost money are going to shut up about it.

You should take the money that snoop paid you off with to do this, and invest in a few LLLL.com - you may be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Tim Schoon]

of course, there are no "garbage" ones. That's why around 50k of them gets dropped every year. I guess, they are so hot, they burn hole right through the owner's account at registrar ))

I don't doubt you sold couple of "garbage" ones. But how many of those did you have to hold and for how long to get couple of sales? And how do you know if it was not mere luck? I.e. if 10 domainers buy 100 garbage domains at random, 3 of them might make profit, 3 be at zero and 4 lose money. Probably those 3 might tell stories how great it has been, but 4 that lost money are going to shut up about it.

LLLL.coms are cheap - which makes it quite attractive to buy them in bulk.

A single LLL.com would easily cost $5k, which could also get you 40 quad premium LLLL.coms, or 200 decent triple premiums. Its likely you'll be able to sell at least a couple to an enduser, and sell the rest for reseller prices. I think the ROI on a $5k total investment is a lot higher at most LLLL.coms.

 

[snoop]

LLLL.coms are cheap - which makes it quite attractive to buy them in bulk.

A single LLL.com would easily cost $5k, which could also get you 40 quad premium LLLL.coms, or 200 decent triple premiums. Its likely you'll be able to sell at least a couple to an enduser, and sell the rest for reseller prices. I think the ROI on a $5k total investment is a lot higher at most LLLL.coms.

Paying a $8 reg fee on a name worth $1 is not cheap. The high value of LLL.com's is what makes them very viable investments. In other words they have value that isn't adversely effected by reg fees.

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Well that may be so assuming everyone has garbage LLLL.com, but most here have a mix of great/good/average and of course bad.

I know myself that i sold two LLLL.com this year that made the big board sales, so I'm hardly worried about ones that don't perform.

At least i cant be accused of shamelessly plugging my sale! :hehe:

Mostly it is garbage, because that is what was left when people started talking about count downs and buyouts, secondly that is what mainly gets dropped (and picked up again by domainers), for obvious reasons.

 

[Tim Schoon]

Paying a $8 reg fee on a name worth $1 is not cheap. The high value of LLL.com's is what makes them very viable investments. In other words they have value that isn't adversely effected by reg fees.
.

please read my post carefully and you'll see I'm not talking about $1 names.

 

[Nem0]

Mostly it is garbage, because that is what was left when people started talking about count downs and buyouts, secondly that is what mainly gets dropped (and picked up again by domainers), for obvious reasons.

Yep, just like the garbage LLL.com that will most likely never find endusers. What would QXJ.com bring today, 4K or so? All garbage has it's day and quits getting tossed out sometime. If this recession didn't hit I feel strongly that the minimum on LLLL.com would have stayed in the $20-$30 range even after the bubble burst. They are still getting snapped up right and left, even the worst ones. Not just by a handful of people, but by many different collectors. Sorry snoop but this niche still has legs, even down at the bottom. It's obvious that you can't stand it. :]

 

[snoop]

Yep, just like the garbage LLL.com that will most likely never find endusers. What would QXJ.com bring today, 4K or so? All garbage has it's day and quits getting tossed out sometime.

To put it is perspective 4k is a bit over half the peak price, compared that to low quality LLLL.com which has lost all of its value. Personally I told people to dump LLL.com for a long time and sold out myself but these names are not comparable to low quality LLLL.com which really have no value and are just sucking cash from people's pockets via reg fees. LLL.com is a quality niche.

If this recession didn't hit I feel strongly that the minimum on LLLL.com would have stayed in the $20-$30 range even after the bubble burst. They are still getting snapped up right and left, even the worst ones. Not just by a handful of people, but by many different collectors. Sorry snoop but this niche still has legs, even down at the bottom. It's obvious that you can't stand it. :]

The recession did hit and the minimum is about $0. Not much point trying to make an argument based on "if's".

 

[cache]

hi, why are these arguments? People debate in a loop with infinite repeated iterations. If you buy a few hundred LLLL, it will not make you broke; You take some risks without losing big. No one knows the future, you buy LLLL or not it is up to you.

 

[noy.com]

It is interesting that even the guys who argue for llll.com buyout, in effect admit that there are llll.com domains with no value. They confuse worthiness to invest in buyout, because of possible hidden jems, with the worthiness of individual pieces. Lots of those individual pieces don't have any value. It is like picking up lots of dirt when goldmining and see what will remain after washing out.

 

[fruttolo]

I think it's all just about speculation...

don't buy stupid and un-needed LLLL.com... "jkiy" just to make an example and other crappy names are not even worth a penny, nor regfee.
Don't waste your money for a crappy LLLL.com... save for the future instead!

 

[dannbkk]

Im currently trying to sell :

TUUW.COM, LUUW.COM, HUUW.COM, XUUW.COM

Any ideas on the best place to sell them?

I can sell at resale price!

 

[Soofi]

Im currently trying to sell :

TUUW.COM, LUUW.COM, HUUW.COM, XUUW.COM

Any ideas on the best place to sell them?

I can sell at resale price!

depends on what you think resale price is, for these names!! :hehe:

 

[gladdy]

I have DUUP.COM parked at sedo, it have 8 offers since parking up today.

Im currently trying to sell :

TUUW.COM, LUUW.COM, HUUW.COM, XUUW.COM

Any ideas on the best place to sell them?

I can sell at resale price!

 

[Soofi]

I have DUUP.COM parked at sedo, it have 8 offers for today.

visitor to the page 4, and offers 8? how does that calculation work? :lol: