The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

[italiandragon]

We need this one too guys

This guide will also help LLLL.com holders to understand more the value of their 4 letters .com based on how expensive the similar 3 letters .com are.

From:

http://3character.com/priceguide.html

Pricing Guide for 3-Letter (Composed Of Letters Only) Domains:

Current Observed Minimum Wholesale Price (regardless of letter combo) as of February 1, 2008:

3-Letter .com - $6700 (+ $300 since January 1, 2008 report)

But I consider their guide a bit old since they are not taking in consideration the emergenging countries that appreciate other letters and as we have run a poll here several times lately, the majority of people consider the letters U
and W to be Premium letters.

Let`s have a look at some recent LLL.com sales as reported from NameBio.com :


nak.com $27,135 2007-12-22 SEDO.com
nyz.com $10,605 2007-12-19 tdnam
utw.com $10,100 2007-12-10 SEDO.com
via.com $157,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
cgf.com $14,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
vkx.com $6,200 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
mje.com $10,734 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
okf.com $8,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
our.com $60,000 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
kxr.com $7,101 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
lhg.com $13,613 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
wae.com $10,099 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
hya.com $7,499 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
yrd.com $9,100 2007-12-05 SEDO.com
vfk.com $15,750 2007-11-29 AfterNic.com
qee.com $10,882 2007-11-27 SEDO.com

 

[djum]

I don't know any serious domainer who accepted less than $100k for their 3L.com's

So all this nice people who sold their names on last 3 pages are not serious? Or you just don't know them?
Good luck pricing them at 100K+, you can wait for 15-20 years or longer, until market catches up.

There's no end-users for LLL.com.
There's no end-users for LLL.com.
There's no end-users for LLL.com.
Should we repeat it?

Check last 3 pages and will find no end users for LLL.com that was sold in 2015.

Chinese are cheap and love symmetry, that's why they prefer LL I LL for 1-5K to LLL for 30K

There's plenty of companies using LLLL.com, not as many as in LLLL.net, but enough. And it's safer, since many LLL.com got hit with reverse hijacking UDRP lately.

I don't see serious argument for why LLL.com price should grow. Most domainers can't afford to pay 100K and good sales create price increase, not other way.

 

[Genius327]

End-users are becoming low-ballers now who doesn't appreciate the value of the domain name. And Chinese are offering way more than the end-users. I personally believe the 'no end-user no buy' theory is going to flip soon.

 

[Argentum]

So all this nice people who sold tany heir names on last 3 pages are not serious? Or you just don't know them?
Good luck pricing them at 100K+, you can wait for 15-20 years or longer, until market catches up.

There's no end-users for LLL.com.
There's no end-users for LLL.com.
There's no end-users for LLL.com.
Should we repeat it?

Check last 3 pages and will find no end users for LLL.com that was sold in 2015.

Chinese are cheap and love symmetry, that's why they prefer LL I LL for 1-5K to LLL for 30K

There's plenty of companies using LLLL.com, not as many as in LLLL.net, but enough. And it's safer, since many LLL.com got hit with reverse hijacking UDRP lately.

I don't see serious argument for why LLL.com price should grow. Most domainers can't afford to pay 100K and good sales create price increase, not other way.

To better understand my point you need to work at least in some European or US companies or to have own business, no one in Europe or US (generally in Western) will use 4L acronyms (im not talking about 4L word) in their business name, that's very simple for me, Chinese can pay any amount for 4L but this will not change mind of anyone who undersdand simple marketing rules that such names is diffucult to remember at least. I own 4L and i still thing that it's waste of money, if Chinese ready to pay for that, i'm glad, but this will not change things at all.

 

[djum]

no one in Europe or US (generally in Western) will use 4L acronyms (im not talking about 4L word) in their business name

You have no idea how funny you look right now.

http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms.htm

Letter A = 882 companies.

 

[Argentum]

To better understand my point you need to work at least in some European or US companies or to have own business, no one in Europe or US (generally in Western) will use 4L acronyms (im not talking about 4L word) in their business name, that's very simple for me, Chinese can pay any amount for 4L but this will not change mind of anyone who undersdand simple marketing rules that such names is diffucult to remember at least. I own 4L and i still thing that it's waste of money, if Chinese ready to pay for that, i'm glad, but this will not change things at all.

I thing you are looking absolutelly fun, you provided me link with all 4L sites i guess? You know that on link you proudly provided is only about 2000 sites/companies out of 456976 - 4L.com's? Isn't funny?

 

[DomainVP]

I brokered one for 32.5k recently, unfortunately he does not want it reported

Congrats! You and the seller both win!

 

[djum]

I thing you are looking absolutelly fun, you provided me link with all 4L sites i guess? You know that on link you proudly provided is only about 2000 sites/companies out of 456976 - 4L.com's? Isn't funny?

I didn't go past letter A, but 880 companies at one letter is much more that no one.
If we assume that each letter has 880 companies then total will be 22 000 companies.

Can we find 22 000 companies in LLL.com?
Oh, wait there's only 17K of LLL.com.

 

[21x20]

I didn't go past letter A, but 880 companies at one letter is much more that no one.
If we assume that each letter has 880 companies then total will be 22 000 companies.

Can we find 22 000 companies in LLL.com?
Oh, wait there's only 17K of LLL.com.

I'm not entirely sure this reasoning makes sense.

You're saying 22k companies may use 4 letter acronyms or names -- yet there's 457k LLLL combinations.
So there is roughly 1 estimated company for every 21 LLLL's.

By that standard, there would need to be only about 850 companies looking for an LLL to be equal, percentage wise at least... And yeah, I'm pretty sure it is safe to say there's at least 850 companies in the world that use 3 letter acronyms or names.

Anyway... Your math guestimation of 880*26 letters is way off anyway... Because letters like Q, X and Z have far, far less.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-Q.htm
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-X.htm
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-Z.htm

And even something more mid-road, J, has 39.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-J.htm

Even a bigger letter, like T, only appears to have about 100.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-T.htm

"A" is probably a bit skewed because people often use an "A" name to get listed alphabetically first in various places. I think the average is probably closer to 100 per letter... so closer to 2,600 than your 22,000.

 

[Argentum]

I'm not entirely sure this reasoning makes sense.

You're saying 22k companies may use 4 letter acronyms or names -- yet there's 457k LLLL combinations.
So there is roughly 1 estimated company for every 21 LLLL's.

By that standard, there would need to be only about 850 companies looking for an LLL to be equal, percentage wise at least... And yeah, I'm pretty sure it is safe to say there's at least 850 companies in the world that use 3 letter acronyms or names.

Anyway... Your math guestimation of 880*26 letters is way off anyway... Because letters like Q, X and Z have far, far less.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-Q.htm
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-X.htm
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-Z.htm

And even something more mid-road, J, has 39.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-J.htm

Even a bigger letter, like T, only appears to have about 100.
http://www.gotw.com/4-letter-domain-names-acronyms-T.htm

"A" is probably a bit skewed because people often use an "A" name to get listed alphabetically first in various places. I think the average is probably closer to 100 per letter... so closer to 2,600 than your 22,000.

That's absolutely right point and i meant same when wrote that there is only about 2000 companies from the link he provided..but seems like he not even checked his own link.
Also many of this 2000 companies is not actually companies, it's non profit organizations..for them it's 4L or 7L domain I thing is no matter at all.
But for business companies If they ever had any chance to acquire 3L.com for their sites, they will never use 4L in their website name, some of them can not afford it, so they use 4L and they still thing that is absolutely marketing fail, for most of the internet surfers it's unreal to remember 4L acronym sites.

I can not compare 3L to 4L as this is absolutelly different segment, 3L is OK for acronym website name, 4L is NOT OK for 4L acronym name, except 4L word name.

 

[djum]

//By that standard, there would need to be only about 850 companies looking for an LLL to be equal, percentage wise at least.

I think you making logical mistake here.
Since number of possible combinations in LLLL.com 26 times bigger than LLL.com there's a good chance that number of companies with those names will be bigger too.

@Domain-Reseller was trying to say that there's no companies in LLLL.com at all and I proved him wrong with that linky.

You might be right about total number of 2600 I looked at first 800 and saw more than enough.
But that's a lot! And valid number in 2015 is probably bigger, this list is few years old.
If that's 3000, than every 5th or 6th site in LLL.com must be owned by end-user for LLL's to have more copmanies than LLLL.
I don't think that's the case.

 

[djum]

Also many of this 2000 companies is not actually companies, it's non profit organizations..for them it's 4L or 7L domain I thing is no matter at all.


But for business companies If they ever had any chance to acquire 3L.com for their sites, they will never use 4L in their website name, some of them can not afford it, so they use 4L and they still thing that is absolutely marketing fail, for most of the internet surfers it's unreal to remember 4L acronym sites.

I can not compare 3L to 4L as this is absolutelly different segment, 3L is OK for acronym website name, 4L is NOT OK for 4L acronym name, except 4L word name.

Let's talk budget how many companies can afford 30K to be spent on LLL.com or if someone like you will demand 100K?
Very few companies can justify that spending, only big companies in developed countries and some mid-size.
Small business can spend 30-100K way smarter.
It means sweet spot for domain names is moving from LLL.com where it was when they sold for 5-12K towards LLLL.com.

At 30-100K you won't have end-users no more!
Close to zero or real small amount you can count with own fingers.
Like I said from LLL.com names reported on last few pages only 1 is used by end user.
Others went to resellers and this trend will keep growing.
Resellers are end-users now!
People who stash names with no plans to ever develop them and just buying for investment purposes.
Thats target buyers of LLL.com, most companies can only afford LLLL.com and they do it + Chinese buyers.

Now Chinese premium LLLL.com.
In China they split LLLL names in pairs LL I LL and use it as pinyin acronym. So it's not 4 letters = 4 words, but 4 letters = 2 words, sometimes 3 words. That makes it about the same as LLL or even easier.
BJ = Bejing, 2 letter = 1 word.
KJ = technology, 2 letter = 1 word.
BJKJ.com for Chinese user = BT.com for English speaker.

 

[Argentum]

MTF.com - $39,900

 

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How do rare LLL.com prices, such as repeating letters (AAA.com), or with special key-abbreviations (ATV.com, BCN.com, etc.) compare to standard LLL.com prices? Is there a minimum for such rare domains?

 

[gilescoley]

JUP.com $23,500
MTF.com $39,900
XUG.com $21,300
QJS.com $150,000
KQT.com $40,000

 

[BrandChimp]

I believe there's no end-users for LL.com because their resale value is over $500,000 .... Make sense...

 

[21x20]

I believe there's no end-users for LL.com because their resale value is over $500,000 .... Make sense...

There's a mere 676 LL.com... there's definitely 676 companies or entities in the world able to pay > $500k for their brand identity if it makes sense.

The issue could be that they're looking for a whole lot lot lot more than $500k. MW.com is looking for $4.5 million. For whatever reason, Meriam Webster is happy with their m-w.com... I'd like to see their marketing budget because I feel like a one time $4.5 million payment would be no issue to better own their brand, but well, they haven't asked my opinion so...

Likewise, the only reason WeightWatchers, a public company worth as of today > $600 million (thanks to Oprah) sticks to WeightWatchers.com rather than logo's ww.com has to be because the owner is either not talking or asking for a % of the company rather than a few to handful of million. WW's budget is likely sizably marketing and presence oriented, thus a reason sale price for them to buy ww.com would be a no brainer.

 

[gilescoley]

I believe there's no end-users for LL.com because their resale value is over $500,000 .... Make sense..

There are 1000's of end-users who would pay that price for a LL.com???

I think half the problem is they don't realize the importance of a name like this or dont think its for sale

 

[gilescoley]

oka.com
$60,000

 

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