The LLL.com sales report & discussion thread

[italiandragon]

We need this one too guys

This guide will also help LLLL.com holders to understand more the value of their 4 letters .com based on how expensive the similar 3 letters .com are.

From:

http://3character.com/priceguide.html

Pricing Guide for 3-Letter (Composed Of Letters Only) Domains:

Current Observed Minimum Wholesale Price (regardless of letter combo) as of February 1, 2008:

3-Letter .com - $6700 (+ $300 since January 1, 2008 report)

But I consider their guide a bit old since they are not taking in consideration the emergenging countries that appreciate other letters and as we have run a poll here several times lately, the majority of people consider the letters U
and W to be Premium letters.

Let`s have a look at some recent LLL.com sales as reported from NameBio.com :


nak.com $27,135 2007-12-22 SEDO.com
nyz.com $10,605 2007-12-19 tdnam
utw.com $10,100 2007-12-10 SEDO.com
via.com $157,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
cgf.com $14,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
vkx.com $6,200 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
mje.com $10,734 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
okf.com $8,500 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
our.com $60,000 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
kxr.com $7,101 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
lhg.com $13,613 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
wae.com $10,099 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
hya.com $7,499 2007-12-06 SEDO.com
yrd.com $9,100 2007-12-05 SEDO.com
vfk.com $15,750 2007-11-29 AfterNic.com
qee.com $10,882 2007-11-27 SEDO.com

 

[Semtex]

I'm not a buyer of LLL, but I have also noticed this with LLLL's recently. Names have been disappearing or getting lower then normal bids. Does anyone in this forum have some pull with some big bloggers that could shed some light on Namejet? It seems like if we can get 1000 domainers to start talking about them, they will shapen up.

 

[betthelot]

they were domains on-hold because previous owners no longer exist. Network Solutions sent them to auction without any warning.

yes, mam.com has an immediate buyer at 100-150k. vie.com can fetch 250k.

regards,
tonecas

It feels like insider trading in that namejet are not looking to get the highest auction price by maximising exposure. They are looking to line a select few pockets with bonuses, avoiding tax if it's employees of namejet. It's happening too often not to be systematic corruption.

 

[tonecas]

It feels like insider trading in that namejet are not looking to get the highest auction price by maximising exposure. They are looking to line a select few pockets with bonuses, avoiding tax if it's employees of namejet. It's happening too often not to be systematic corruption.

I don't trust any of these companies but in these cases i am getting to the conclusion that it's pure incompetence.

NameJet seems to have some independence from their owners, and the management of domains and their sale runs through many holes. it would be in their best interest to promote these domains to the broadest audience they could reach so to get the best revenue from domains that they should have never had.

i see domains that were on-hold, 95% of the time because of no longer valid domain owners that are retained and then sent to auction by NetSol and stepping over the pre-release lists. and in the last 5 months or so I've increasingly seen domains at Enom and NetSol that were expired, had several backorders but never got to auction and enter pending-delete status. :gl:

in the ONI.COM auction, the domain even hit the pre-release/soon to be available list on NameJet but immediately disappeared from their site. i think one or two domainers backorder it at the time (one high profile).

the participants on these 4 auctions ranged from 14 to 17... they should have gotten +300

regards,
tonecas

 

[betthelot]

Hmmm, it's strange, I didn't see them as Pre-Release too. Not sure how I could miss LLL.com's auctions by not adding them to my backorder list...Mystery...

Am I reading this right, you didn't have them on your back order list, so you think this is the only way you could of missed them ie those 15 odd biders in the auction had the opportunity to be part of the auction because they were the only ones who had them on back order. Time to back order all 17,000!

 

[cache]

did not see these four. Reading the post here, I still can't figure out the way to order them? (How can someone order them?)

 

[tonecas]

finally you are getting there :hehe:

well, it's that simple. funny how 99% of people miss that. just show how this market is inefficient. no more point in hiding the secret :hehe:

it will be funny now to see 100's backorders on 17k domains.

now comes the question on how to generate the 17k combinations...:gl:

regards,
tonecas

 

[Bravo]

Am I reading this right, you didn't have them on your back order list, so you think this is the only way you could of missed them ie those 15 odd biders in the auction had the opportunity to be part of the auction because they were the only ones who had them on back order. Time to back order all 17,000!

All I wanted to say is that I pre-order all LLL .com's, .net's, .org's in advance.

In this case I didn't have them in my list.

More to say, I do my back-orders on NJ daily: pre-releases within 1 day.

I am 100% sure that these LLL.com's were not included in list!!!

That's why it looks phishy!

 

[betthelot]

Get this 3 of the 4 are back in pre bidding for the next 7 hours
mam.com $11,600
ieg.com $10,099
oni.com $11,679

The best one is not
vie.com $22,705

Im coming round to Tonecas thinking, its just incompetence.

 

[silentg]

Marta won Vie and Oni.com. It just doesn't make sense why he/she would pay for one name and would not pay for the other. I e-mailed NJ and asked them what was going on. Marta is still a bidder on other domains I got in auction.

These domains should only be auctioned to those who were part of the auction. It shouldn't be in prerelease at all. Something smells fishy.

---------- Post added at 04:30 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:05 PM ----------

Marta was the winner of:
vie.com
Oni.com

Was Marta the winner of the these domains?
Mam.com
Ieg.com

---------- Post added at 05:16 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:30 PM ----------

Response from NJ:

Hello,

Thank you for contacting NameJet Technical Support. I'll be glad to assist you today.

We show all four of those domains you referenced were sold on Saturday and are Pending Payment, with a total 28 day grace period to pay. The winner has NOT defaulted, and is a long time client - we expect full payment from them.

That said, we do find for some reason they are listed as a pre-release names on that report. This is an error in the file we have received from Network Solutions. We will contact them immediately and get these taken out of that list. Thank you so much for bringing this to our attention. We do apologize for the alarm this must have caused!

Thank you for choosing NameJet as your source for aftermarket domain names.

Best Regards,
Wendy
Technical Support Team

 

[tonecas]

wow. same thing as NAQ.com. the domain was put on auction soon after the previous one has ended. and then it was removed. and the first auction still shows as cancelled but NameJet says it was an error.

---------- Post added at 09:35 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:30 PM ----------

Marta was the winner of:
vie.com
Oni.com

Was Marta the winner of the these domains?
Mam.com
Ieg.com

yes silentg, Marta won the 4 and it will take him some time to pay for the domains but there is no reason to suspect they haven't/wont be paid.

regards,
tonecas

 

[tonecas]

here is the auction cancelled for NAQ.COM.

however it has a new owner, and it is not the winning bidder. The domain was on-hold and the odds that the original owner come to renew it (and netsol accepted that) are so thin that the only explanation is a major fu**up.

I did not refresh my historical whois for this domain so can someone check if between 22/02 an 08/03 the domain show up with a owner different than the current (a company named StatPro for what it seems)?

regards,
tonecas

 

[silentg]

I see StatPro Canada Inc. listed as the owner.

 

[tonecas]

the dumb f*** let the domains go to redemption period and now recover them again. seriously, how incompetent can these guys be??

whois for vie.com

Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.
Whois Server: whois.networksolutions.com
Referral URL: http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/
Status: redemptionPeriod

Expiration Date: 2012-04-12
Creation Date: 1995-04-11
Last Update Date: 2012-03-13

Registrant:
Pending Renewal or Deletion
P.O. Box 430
Herndon, VA. US 20172-0447


Domain Name: VIE.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
Pending Renewal or Deletion Email Masking [email protected]
P.O. Box 430
Herndon, VA 20172-0447
US
570-708-8786


Record expires on 12-Apr-2007.
Record created on 11-Apr-1995.
Database last updated on 11-Mar-2012 11:37:28 EDT.

Domain servers in listed order:

PRI1.DNS.PSINET.FR
PRI2.DNS.PSINET.FR

 

[tonecas]

oni.com list for auction in less than 5 hours... surreal...

regards,
tonecas

 

[silentg]

Namejet has If You Don't Ask, We Won't Tell policy. We got to ask them WTF is going on with auctions each time.

 

[italiandragon]

Namejet has If You Don't Ask, We Won't Tell policy. We got to ask them WTF is going on with auctions each time.

One minute you see them, the next minute you don't.

 

[silentg]

Zut.com hit with UDRP > http://www.namepros.com/industry-news/752333-interbasic-holding-s-files-udrp-steal.html

 

[equity78]

AFW.com sold for $125,000 Go Daddy

 

[tonecas]

and low and behold: instead of entering a new auction, oni.com just came back to a new owner, not passing through the winning bidder ( AFAIK because nowadays you can easily get away with fake whois ).

Registrant:
New Ventures Services, Corp
ATTN ONI.COM
care of Network Solutions
PO Box 459
Drums, PA. US 18222


Domain Name: ONI.COM


Administrative Contact, Technical Contact:
New Ventures Services, Corp [email protected]
ATTN ONI.COM
care of Network Solutions
PO Box 459
Drums, PA 18222
US
570-708-8780

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some info about these guys:

http://www.sitepoint.com/forums/sho...w-Venture-Services-Corp-amp-Network-Solutions


regards,
tonecas

---------- Post added at 09:43 PM ---------- Previous post was at 09:39 PM ----------

on another note, seems that BEZ.COM has been also snagged up by the warehousers at Tucows.

it's very sad to see that Frank Shilling lets clients like these use his platform. I guess he is happy about these companies building up portfolios without any rights whatsoever to them and effectively making unfair competition on all of us...

just sad.

regards,
tonecas

 

[Kate]

In the past I have seen netsol quietly repossessing valuable names.
Godaddy used to do the same thing.

Enom also has an offshoot by the name of acquirethatname.

It's funny these companies don't seem to care about their reputation.
At least some are more open about it than others.
Regardless of legality and their terms that get them covered there is a huge conflict of interest. They have every interest that you lose your domain names, auctions are more profitable than renewals.
In other words, registrars are not trustworthy custodians for your domains.