new gtlds The future will be good...

[Wass]

New gTLD sales: Sex.Live: $160.000 / Porn.Live: $120.000
The future will be good for good new gTLDs.

 

[Wass]

I never claimed I was an expert. But I have a feeling you aren't either based on most of your comments

Sorry my friend but for me you are a big expert... Thank you
And good luck to you

 

[Bram C.]

Sorry my friend but for me you are a big expert... Thank you
And good luck to you

Yeah good luck to you as well. I have a feeling you will need it.

 

[Wass]

Yeah good luck to you as well. I have a feeling you will need it.

Yes, I need luck. Thanks

 

[Bram C.]

Yes, I need luck.

At least we agreed on something today.

 

[dordomai]

You repeating the same gTLD registry sales over and over again (not a single domainer made any money with these sales obviously) will not magically create a domainer aftermarket for the new gTLDs.

The problem is that they are posting registry sales as proof that the nGTLDs will have a bright future while investing in a system that was designed to replace domainers.

Even if they had a bright future that would not be apply to domainers. nGTLD bright future= Most domainers out of business.

In an nGTLD world there would be huge registry sales not domainer sales.

 

[Wass]

I have heard this thing but it's not true.
I also have a website (new gTLD) and I am sure that is not true.

It's simple:
if you search in google XXX you will see many .XXX domains in the first pages.
if you search in google PORN you will not see many .XXX domains in the first pages.

Sorry, I forget something, I have to add a sentence:

... That's why the future will be huuuuuge for good new gTLDs...

 

[mad409]

So the title of this thread is "The Future Will Be Good".

I'd like share my thoughts on a few comments within the thread although I admit I haven't read the entire thread.

Those that like to try to debunk the fact that large registry sales are fake, I don't believe this is the case and here's why. These companies are spending millions of dollars in most cases to acquire the extension and if no competition it's still $185K or so each. Many don't own just one but several new gTLD extensions. Fake sales would be a criminal offense, considered lying which could be prosecuted within a court of law. Do you actually think they would jeopardize their reputation, investment for this? I don't.

Those that think no aftermarket sales are taking place by domainers need to look around. There have been many sales by domainers, whether it's a private sale, auction or etc.. Is it where we want it to be, NO but it's so early with new g's and this will take time. That's just common sense.

Those that think no new site's are being build on new gTLD's, all I can say here is that you just aren't looking at what's been shown to you. Many site's are launching, daily, it's only a matter of time that one of these sites will be known all around the world, like Google, Twitter etc..

Those who think a gTLD will fail and your domain will be gone. There's some really big players now therefore if a gTLD/company is having issues it will be purchased by a bigger player that can support it, this isn't a worry for me.

Those that think your pricing can be increased without notice, that's just plain wrong. And if you think the new g's are less secure than legacy domains, that's wrong too. And if you think end users think they're less secure take a look at all the ccTLD site's operating.

Many like to point out spam with new gTLDs. Got news for you on this one, I get more spam from .com, ccTLDs than any other extensions, period.

That's just a few points I'd like to make but I could continue with many more. In my opinion the OP isn't seeking validation but rather enjoying the fact that he believes in the future of new gTLD's, not a damn thing wrong with that.


I concur with the OP, look forward to the future moving forward within the new gTLD space.

 

[dordomai]

I have heard this thing but it's not true.
I also have a website (new gTLD) and I am sure that is not true.

It's simple:
if you search in google XXX you will see many .XXX domains in the first pages.
if you search in google PORN you will not see many .XXX domains in the first pages.

you really don't understand what you are doing. .xxx has been out for years and never been very popular. Exact match SEO doesn't drive today's market. That is pre 2010. The advantage will decrease even more in the future.

If you search for porn and see no .xxx that means that the extension is apparently not popular in the porn community.

If you were serious about this you would at least analyze the Alexa Top 1 million file.

Alternative choices even when great keywords don't sell for much.

It is you are either the preferred choice(.com) or your domains don't earn much.

don't believe me? See how many investors can make a living selling only .net.

With the nGTLDs it is even harder because most premium keywords are reserved.

In order to create a vibrant market they would have to replace the alternatives (.com,.net) entirely and even when that were to happen domainers wouldn't do well in that environment.

There would be no dropcatching because domains that drop would already be premium priced. Most good keywords would be owned by the registry. Renewals would be optimized to extract the maximum possible value.

How do you want to make a living there?

Think before you invest(gamble).

ake sales would be a criminal offense, considered lying which could be prosecuted within a court of law. Do you actually think they would jeopardize their reputation, investment for this? I don't.

Fake sales have been part of domaining for a long time. You don't have to lie to make a fake sale. There are various tricks that can be used to do that. Example:

Party A agrees to buy a domain from party B for a specific amount and party B agrees to buy another domain from party A for the same amount.

 

[mad409]

Fake sales have been part of domaining for a long time. You don't have to lie to make a fake sale. There are various tricks that can be used to do that. Example:

Party A agrees to buy a domain from party B for a specific amount and party B agrees to buy another domain from party A for the same amount.

If you're accusing new gTLD registries of fake sales, back it up. Like I pointed out above this would be a criminal offence and they could be prosecuted.

Personally I think you're blowing smoke but feel free to provide proof and I'd be happy to contact them for their response to your allegations.

 

[venkatvenz]

Okay.. So when I go through every ones comments, I could see one thing clearly. Every one have a mind set. Lets think this practical.

When DNS was found and the .COM domains came to the market, every company in-order to have their online presence bought a .com domain eg. cocacola.com
Till 2012 the traffic were like this, when some one want to reach the website of samsung the first thing they entered in their browser was "samsung.com" or max to max samsung.net.
The first preference is to directly try hitting a .com domain name in the browser. If you don't reach the website then they go for a search engine to reach the site.

Basically the mentality of the human being till 2012 or even then was .com is internet and internet is .com! Its because its been a part of their day to day life during the digital revolution.

The new gtlds came and still I couldn't convenience many clients of mine to acquire relevant new gtld domains. There are few reasons. I will make it clear.
1. No one is ready to understand the technicalities of the tld's. Their business is not about selling and buying domains or not even related to IT. All they maintain a website is to ensure an online presence. Since they are only familiar with .COM they are comfortable with that.
2. Large corporations are making considerable investments in new gtls, just because to ensure that there is no trademark infringements happens. But I know a client who have more than 1800 .com domains. There are more than 1200 tld's currently delegated and many of then cost more than USD1000 per year and the IT budget would be increasing 100 times.
Which makes it really go crazy. Managing this much domains is a huge task.
3. After countries like US, Canada and other European countries have reached a complete success in internet market, now the opportunities and market is really huge in Middle East and Asian countries.
India have a huge market for internet industries since day by day the number of user are increasing drastically. Among them most are new comers to internet world to whom it will be really difficult to make understand the tld's and DNS.

We all need to remember a basic thing. What is the reason the internet was found? To share information among two or more party with ease. Since it was difficult to remember the number the naming system came.
But once the domaining came into picture the reason why Paul found DNS have changed completely.

Nobody knows if the internet is in the hands of good or in the hands of bad. I knew internet was not meant to be designed as the most secured form of communication. But making false opportunities to make money through increasing a fake demand is really not done.

The new gtld's can be simply explained with a example. The is a gold mine in a country. Where every one mined and took all the gold and became rich. The mine is empty now. They started selling their possession and people across the world started buying it.
There is a huge demand and everyone became insanely rich. Suddenly tomorrow the neighbor country found 10 gold mines in their country which means all these people who had earned these much money had become poppers in a whole night.
But new gtld is not even gold here. Its a lesser valuable gold where no one is interested in buying them due to the three reasons I have mentioned above.

Instead of making the internet infrastructure this much complex, let it remain simple.

 

[mad409]

Instead of making the internet infrastructure this much complex, let it remain simple.

I can break this down, it's not complex.

 

[dordomai]

If you're accusing new gTLD registries of fake sales, back it up. Like I pointed out above this would be a criminal offence and they could be prosecuted.

Personally I think you're blowing smoke but feel free to provide proof and I'd be happy to contact them for their response to your allegations.

I am not accusing any specific registry but I do know that fake sales or hyped sales have always happened in domaining and there is no reason to believe that they don't happen in the n Gs.

there have been plenty of discussions on unnatural looking and questionable sales reports:

see here for example:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/autism-rocks-sells-for-100-000.865960/
https://www.namepros.com/threads/lying-xyz-making-a-mockery-of-dnj.941944/

 

[Bram C.]

Those that think no aftermarket sales are taking place by domainers need to look around. There have been many sales by domainers, whether it's a private sale, auction or etc.. Is it where we want it to be, NO but it's so early with new g's and this will take time. That's just common sense.

Define many sales?

There's around 23.3 million gTLD domains registered as of today compared to around 125 million registered .com domains. So statistically, if the gTLDs were to perform as good as .com, then for every 5 reported (domainer) .com sales there should be 1 reported (domainer) gTLD sale. However if you regularly look at the weekly domain sales at dnjournal and filter out the irrelevant gTLD registry sales then you usually see extremely few gTLD sales, if any at all. Actually to take this one step further there are still more .org, .net and .tv sales happening then gTLD sales right now so even those weaker extensions (compared to .com) are still a much better bet than the gTLDs. And I'm pretty sure almost nobody here will advice to invest all your money in .net, .org or .tv. Yet some people are investing all what they have in gTLDs right now.

And while the "it will take time" argument may have been a decent argument 2.5 years ago it's starting to lose credibility now.

 

[dordomai]

if you study previous launches you will see that new extensios often generate the best sales early and sales decline later. Probably because a new extension has a lot of theoretical potential. In practice they never take off that is why early sales are the strongest. Imo the new g are already past their peak.

Looking at current registration stats they are already on a decline if one substracts the 40 cent top sales.

If they are already struggling to grow after 2.5 years that is not a healthy sign.

if you look further you will see that most extensions that add in the triple digit range and higher are the ones with 1$ promotions. The ones that don't have these do quite poorly generally.

In reality most of the current growth is artificial and inflated. They are struggling to grow.

1$ regs are toxic in my opinion. They tend to attract spam and low-quality websites which degrade the aftermarket value of the extension.

Without .top and .xyz were have slightly above $10 million regs. Not impressive considering that a lot of these are speculative or protective.

.fail

The new G are dead because no one wanted or needed them in the first place. They were a money grabbing scheme by ICANN and a few select registries. A lot of others went along because they didn't know any better.

Now we have an oversupply of a product that no one wants. The registries can keep selling picks and shovels only for so long before speculators lose interest.

 

[Wass]

Google’s John Mueller recently quoted that "our systems treat new gTLDs like other gTLDs (like .com and .org). Keywords in a TLD do not give any advantage or disadvantage in search."

this is the comment of the new member.

I have heard this thing but it's not true.
I also have a website (new gTLD) and I am sure that is not true.

It's simple:
if you search in google XXX you will see many .XXX domains in the first pages.
if you search in google PORN you will not see many .XXX domains in the first pages.

And this is my answer.

you really don't understand what you are doing .xxx has been out for years and never been very popular. Exact match SEO doesn't drive today's market. That is pre 2010. The advantage will decrease even more in the future.

And this is your comment: Hahaha

You are confused my friend...
Your comments:
"you really don't understand what you are doing" Hahaha. Who is speaking here? Mr confusion
".xxx has been out for years and never been very popular." and then??? haha Off-topic my friend.
"Exact match SEO doesn't drive today's market. That is pre 2010." What? What? What? can I understand well? hahaha "That is pre 2010..." and then??? we are in 2016 my friend... And google works with the 2016 rules even if the extension is from the year 1800...
"The advantage will decrease even more in the future." What does mean this sentence??? hahaWho are you??? haha. you are God or you are Mr Google???? What does mean this sentence? It's an important sentence... It's your dream or what???? and why it's your dream????what is your goal here my friend you and your "haters team"???? I will open a new discussion about this topic soon...

The problem in your explanations is that there is no logic.

If
A = B
and
B = C
For you: this means that:
X = Z

No logic my friend.

 

[dordomai]

There is a lot of logic here but you have to read my post. Your logic is flawed if one can call that logic.

1. First of all in case you haven't noticed the internet and search results are increasingly dominated by lbusinesses not individual website owners like it had been in the past.

Today marketing is much more than just getting indexed by the search engines and getting good rankings.

First of all a business today needs a good brand. A businesses will not buy an exact match domain just because it may help them rank. They want a good brand above anything else. An exact match domain may be a good brand. It may not. Today this is just one of many factors.

A SEO advantage alone doesn't drive today's domain market sadly. Most domains today are not being bought because of SEO exact match advantage or type-in traffic.

2. Google has been moving away from exact match domains for many years. Exact match domains are not as strong as they used to be. Could this trend reverse? Maybe. Probably not. Google don't like their search being gamed.

You think from the perspective a 2010 SEO spammer not a startup or someone looking for a brand in 2016.

 

[Wass]

There is a lot of logic here but you have to read my post. Your logic is flawed if one can call that logic.

1. First of all in case you haven't noticed the internet and search results are increasingly dominated by lbusinesses not individual website owners like it had been in the past.

Today marketing is much more than just getting indexed by the search engines and getting good rankings.

First of all a business today needs a good brand. A businesses will not buy an exact match domain just because it may help them rank. They want a good brand above anything else. An exact match domain may be a good brand. It may not. Today this is just one of many factors.

A SEO advantage alone doesn't drive today's domain market sadly. Most domains today are not being bought because of SEO exact match advantage or type-in traffic.

2. Google has been moving away from exact match domains for many years. Exact match domains are not as strong as they used to be. Could this trend reverse? Maybe. Probably not. Google don't like their search being gamed.

You think from the perspective a 2010 SEO spammer not a startup or someone looking for a brand in 2016.

My friend you don't have logic for me but it's my point of view and I'm not God like you

but I have a question for you: what is your goal here if you don't invest in new gTLDs????
You lose hours and hours in new gTLD discussions... Why???
and I have the feeling that this topic is very important for you... Why???

 

[dordomai]

You lose hours and hours here... Why???

You lose thousands of dollars..... Why???

 

[Wass]

You lose thousands of dollars..... Why???

This is your answer... Hahahahahahaha
you don't have an answer my friend.
You know well why you are here but of course you can not tell us the truth...
This is not a surprise for me...

Good luck to you my friend.

 

[bmugford]

Hey Waas,

The constant emoji spam is rather obnoxious.

Brad