TDnam question on overvalued auctions...

[gingeman]

I was wondering if anyone here knew what happened to names that never get a starting bid at tdnam? Often I see a name and the starting bid that godaddy have set is so high that it gets no bids...

i am only referring to the expired auctions.

What happens in these circumstances? Do they start the auction again with a lower start price or does bob keep it for himself? :D

Thanks

 

[Seabass]

gingeman, they all go to SnapNames. I've see the domains I have been watching but did not bid on, and nobody else bid on, go there and show up a few days later.

I called my GD rep., who is very knowledgeable, but he had never heard this. GD has been doing this for at least three years that I am aware of.

 

[gingeman]

gingeman, they all go to SnapNames. I've see the domains I have been watching but did not bid on, and nobody else bid on, go there and show up a few days later.

I called my GD rep., who is very knowledgeable, but he had never heard this. GD has been doing this for at least three years that I am aware of.

Really? That's incredible... what if you have a godaddy backorder placed on the name? Do you have evidence of this?

I'm not saying it surprises me, this industry is so full of 'anomalies' shall we say, I just don't see how it can be possible...

rep added though, thanks I am keen to resolve this

 

[Slick Domains]

If it is a $10.00 domain and noone bids, it will show up as BIN for $5.00 in their Watching panel. If a domain is under 2 minutes that I want and noone bid, I wait and save $5.00 =)

Not sure on the ones where GoDaddy raises the initial price.

 

[gorilla_bob]

Slick is right. The course a domain takes is from EXP_NAMES, then if not sold there then goes to CLOSEOUTS section... if not sold there than it goes into 'Pending Delete' and can be picked up by one of the Dropping Services. If the name was not backordered by anyone of the dropping services, then it will most likely get picked up by either a domain taster or Snapnames or Pool to be sold in their private auctions... if name is not done that then it will become "Reg Fee".

So all and all it is a very long process and in each stage, there is a chance that anyone can come in and scoop up your domain. I like Slick's idea of waiting for it to go to closeouts and then saving a few bucks.

If you guys don't already know, I would suggest visiting http://www.freshdrop.net to find all your tdnam domains since they have the best TDNAM search tools and it's free to use.

- Bob

 

[Seabass]

Slick and Gorilla are mostly right, and I was not clear enough. I thought you meant after they LEFT Godaddy.

Okay...... if the domain has a backorder on it using TDNAM's backorder service you will NOT get it for the $5 price when no one bids on it at the $10 price. The backorder gets it. If there is no backorder then you can pick it up for $5, but what the heck is $5 more if you really want the domain to make sure you get it? If you bid the $10 then no one will get it at $5, obviously, and no backorder will get it.

Godaddy does not release domains that never got any kind of bid b/c they can run them through a second auction house, being SnapNames. Gorilla says they are backordered by other Auction Houses or Tasters, but I have ALWAYS seen them go to SnapNames for three years now - nowhere else, and I monitor tons of domains there.

Now, like Gorilla said, if nobody bids at SnapNames then the domain will get snagged by a Taster, and if the Taster does not want it then he dumps it and you can pick it up for Reg. fee at that point.
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[PowerUp]

Slick and Gorilla are mostly right, and I was not clear enough. I thought you meant after they LEFT Godaddy.

Okay...... if the domain has a backorder on it using TDNAM's backorder service you will NOT get it for the $5 price when no one bids on it at the $10 price. The backorder gets it. If there is no backorder then you can pick it up for $5, but what the heck is $5 more if you really want the domain to make sure you get it? If you bid the $10 then no one will get it at $5, obviously, and no backorder will get it.

Godaddy does not release domains that never got any kind of bid b/c they can run them through a second auction house, being SnapNames. Gorilla says they are backordered by other Auction Houses or Tasters, but I have ALWAYS seen them go to SnapNames for three years now - nowhere else, and I monitor tons of domains there.

Now, like Gorilla said, if nobody bids at SnapNames then the domain will get snagged by a Taster, and if the Taster does not want it then he dumps it and you can pick it up for Reg. fee at that point.
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okok. i'm getting excited and a little confused at the same time.

When a name with a high initial bid ends auction on Day 10, and nobody bids, then on which day will it appear at Snapnames? Somebody said a few days... meaning Day 15? Are these names listed in the "Pending Delete" list downloaded from Snapnames?

 

[Seabass]

okok. i'm getting excited and a little confused at the same time.

When a name with a high initial bid ends auction on Day 10, and nobody bids, then on which day will it appear at Snapnames? Somebody said a few days... meaning Day 15? Are these names listed in the "Pending Delete" list downloaded from Snapnames?

If it has a high initial bid then the high initial bidder gets it. But if there are no other bidders he gets it for $10 even if the bid was for $500.

Honestly, what exact day the domain goes to SnapNames - I am not sure. But it is very shortly afterwards.

Yes, they are in the Pending Delete mixed in with all the other domains that Snapnames has dropping from other sources.
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[gingeman]

Hi guys, sorry I ddon't think I've made myself clear- I was talking mainly about the higher valuye expired names, there are some where godaddy sets an exhorbitant inital bid price, and nobody bids on the namecos the first bid is say $7,000 or something and the name is probably not worth it.
What happens to them? Do they re-auction with a lower starting bid, or do they 'disappear' somewhere?

 

[Name Trader]

After a domain goes thru the Firesale auction (after expiry+42days) they go into a 30 day redemption period and go into Pending Delete (5 days) at the end of that period. Then they drop, for any Tom, Dick, or Harry to pick up (including the auction houses and dropcatchers). Most of the names are so crap nobody picks them up.

However the OP was asking about domains where TDNAM have set a higher than $10 price. This is a rare few domains with traffic. Nearly all these domains get sold on TDNAM. On the rare occasion I've been watching one of those, I don't recall it entering the FireSale if it doesn't sell. Anyone know for sure?

 

[gingeman]

However the OP was asking about domains where TDNAM have set a higher than $10 price. This is a rare few domains with traffic. Nearly all these domains get sold on TDNAM. On the rare occasion I've been watching one of those, I don't recall it entering the FireSale if it doesn't sell. Anyone know for sure?

Correct stub. Not all of these names sell I am sure as the prices for some of them are literally ridiculous. I am pretty sure something fishy is going on, I will monitor a few myself and see what I can determine but wondered if anybody here knew anyway?

 

[Name Trader]

Are you sure you are talking about expiring domains? All the expiring domains I've seen on TDNAM had very reasonable prices based on their traffic.

If you are talking about those XX,XXX prices, these are domains owned by individuals (not expiring domains) who are asking outrageous prices. Usually these are listed for 90 days and when the listing expires, they are relisted for another 90 days.

 

[gingeman]

Are you sure you are talking about expiring domains? All the expiring domains I've seen on TDNAM had very reasonable prices based on their traffic.

If you are talking about those XX,XXX prices, these are domains owned by individuals (not expiring domains) who are asking outrageous prices. Usually these are listed for 90 days and when the listing expires, they are relisted for another 90 days.

I'm talking about expired names. Many have hugely inflated start bids. They are not all good value based on traffic, I know cos I've been stung a couple of times by tdnam 'traffic figures'.

Right now, they have the following listed (expiring), with no bids yet, many will get bids, but not all, and it is these that I would like to know what happens to next:-

Domain Name Traffic # Bids Price Time Left
malakonline.net 196859 0 $17,580 3D 23H
famosasbrasil.com 25443 0 $3,600 1D 2H
dirtybirdvideos.com 21122 0 $11,130 4D 2H
vinalinux.com 14204 0 $1,870 7D 23H
bedava99.com 11947 0 $1,120 1D 4H
siberianhuskypup.com 9544 0 $2,360 6D 1H
servicioshipotecariobanamex.com 7346 0 $1,150 4D 23H
cingibiyiz.com 4843 0 $380 10D 1H
capperscafe.com 4621 0 $1,160 5D 0H
teensinlaw.com 4571 0 $3,760 5D 1H
corehoon.com 4121 0 $340 4D 4H
pitbull-tracker.com 3954 0 $250 9D 3H
almslm.com 3922 0 $1,220 3D 3H
1001-periodic-table-quiz-questions.com 3832 0 $2,350 2D 4H - seriously!
asiklarmekani.com 3609 0 $420 9D 2H
cabincrewsociety.com 3491 0 $410 2D 2H
chungas.com 3396 0 $960 9D 1H
partyboyinc.com 3211 0 $1,100 1D 23H
jimmorrisonpictures.com 3011 0 $380 7D 1H
budatypo.net 2992 0 $960 5D 0H
titanicaquapark.com 2898 0 $980 5D 0H
ranworld.net 2811 0 $360 2D 3H
simonarchives.com 2740 0 $240 6D 1H
suitelifefans.com 2705 0 $510 1D 0H
vcourts.org 2664 0 $500 7D 0H
yourforbiddenrealm.com 2627 0 $110 2D 23H
friendster-layouts.org 2622 0 $100 6D 2H

None of these have bids, they are all expired names. Some will get bids before auction end, but I guarantee not all. What then happens to these?

Thanks

 

[Seabass]

Gingeman , I think Stub must still be new to TDNAM. No offense Stub. :D

They all go to Snapnames, even the high priced ones. Trust me.

They do not go into a 30 redemption period as Stub said. By the time they reach TDNAM they are at the end of the redemption period. So, all he was saying basically happens before, with the last 17 days of the redemption period being the auction time frame. The first 10 days are when we bid and the last seven is when we are "waiting" to get the domain, if the original domain owner does not renew.

They also do not all have reasonable prices. In fact, some domains with NO traffic can be listed for thousands of dollars without any bids.

Also, many domains at XX,XXX are also sold by TDNAM, NOT individuals. If you search "Expired Auctions" only, you get NO individuals selling domains. These are all TDNAM expired, non paid domains.

My guess is that they are listed on SnapNames within a few days after not being bid on in TDNAM. It has always been that way. The exact number of days I do not know.

If I was forced to guess, it would be in seven days before it goes to SnapNames., b/c that is how much time is left after nobody bids before the original domain owner can renew before he loses it permanantly.
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[opalxx]

I bought a couple of names after $10 name ended with no bids and went onto the $5 bin. I did notice however that some went onto $5 and some didn't.

I also backordered (probably a big mistake) a name on godaddy on 29th February but notice that it now expires in March 2009 so presume it has been renewed. If so it was a complete waste of money backordering. I presume refunds are not part of godaddy customer service.

 

[Name Trader]

I am not new to TDNAM. I'd consider myself quite proficient. Now lets take your points one-by-one.

1) I mentioned the 30 day redemption period for domains going through the FireSale. I've never seen one of these domains going through the $5 FireSale.

2) I didn't understand your explanation of 17 days. Could you please explain what happens to the domain from expiry?

3) Sorry, I don't walk in the rarified atmosphere of X,XXX-XX,XXX TDNAM purchases. My horizons are a more modest XX-XXX. So I've never seen these kinds of domains at TDNAM. So I butt out of this discussion. And, listen and learn.

4) At my price level, all the domains with traffic have reasonable prices above $10 set. I agree your point about not believing the traffic numbers.

Gingeman , I think Stub must still be new to TDNAM. No offense Stub. :D

They all go to Snapnames, even the high priced ones. Trust me.

They do not go into a 30 redemption period as Stub said. By the time they reach TDNAM they are at the end of the redemption period. So, all he was saying basically happens before, with the last 17 days of the redemption period being the auction time frame. The first 10 days are when we bid and the last seven is when we are "waiting" to get the domain, if the original domain owner does not renew.

They also do not all have reasonable prices. In fact, some domains with NO traffic can be listed for thousands of dollars without any bids.

Also, many domains at XX,XXX are also sold by TDNAM, NOT individuals. If you search "Expired Auctions" only, you get NO individuals selling domains. These are all TDNAM expired, non paid domains.

My guess is that they are listed on SnapNames within a few days after not being bid on in TDNAM. It has always been that way. The exact number of days I do not know.

If I was forced to guess, it would be in seven days before it goes to SnapNames., b/c that is how much time is left after nobody bids before the original domain owner can renew before he loses it permanantly.
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I bought a couple of names after $10 name ended with no bids and went onto the $5 bin. I did notice however that some went onto $5 and some didn't.

That is probably because they had backorders on them. Which were fulfilled after the regular TDNAM auction (expiry+42days)

 

[Seabass]

I am not new to TDNAM. I'd consider myself quite proficient. Now lets take your points one-by-one.

1) I mentioned the 30 day redemption period for domains going through the FireSale. I've never seen one of these domains going through the $5 FireSale.

2) I didn't understand your explanation of 17 days. Could you please explain what happens to the domain from expiry?

3) Sorry, I don't walk in the rarified atmosphere of X,XXX-XX,XXX TDNAM purchases. My horizons are a more modest XX-XXX. So I've never seen these kinds of domains at TDNAM. So I butt out of this discussion. And, listen and learn.

4) At my price level, all the domains with traffic have reasonable prices above $10 set. I agree your point about not believing the traffic numbers.

Hello Stub,

1. Once they go to the fire sale they have seven days (or is it five) left for anyone to buy, before they scoot off to go to SnapNames. The high-priced domains just skip this step all together. I really skip FireSale domains since I have already gone through the $10 ones thoroughly, so it may be less than seven.

2. When the original domain owner does not pay for his domain then the countdown clock begins on for payment/redemption period. The last 17 days of that clock are 10 days GD listing up to the auction day and then 7 more for you to acquire the domain you have already won. Godaddy is pre-auctioning the domain before the redemption period is over, while the owner still owns the domain technically. That's why on the last day the domain can still be redeemed and your auction payment refunded.

3. Actually in your defense they just started hitting these high numbers recently on expired domains, so it would be easy to miss.

4. I disagree on the fair prices for all the domains. Some of it is Chinese traffic, bogus made fore Adsense page traffic, bot traffic, etc...... but you can find some good deals still.
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[gingeman]

I suspected this was the case.

If these names have already been backordered through godaddy, how can they possibly go from tdnam to snapnames? Surely this is ridiculous?

 

[Name Trader]

@gingeman

I was actually replying to opalxx's question. So I think now there are 2 reasons why they never make the FireSale. 1) the domain was backordered, or 2) the domain goes to SnapNames (per Seabass's posts).

@Seabass

To summarize domain expiry/auction/dropping at TDNAM...

Domain Expiry - Day 0
Domain enters TDNAM - Day 26
Regular auction ends - Day 36
FireSale ends - Day 42
Redemption Period ends - Day 72
Pending Delete ends - Day 77
Domain drops - Day 78

So your 17 days is made up of the 10 day auction and the 7 day waiting period. And you say if the domain isn't purchased, the domain goes to SnapNames on Day 37. Is that a correct understanding?

 

[gorilla_bob]

I don't believe that Godaddy sends the domains to Snapnames. I believe that Godaddy drops the domain and that Snapnames picks it up. I've seen Snapnames get tons of domains that noone wants and just tries to auction them off themselves.

From my understanding there is no agreeement between Godaddy and Snapnames to sell Godaddy domains on Snapnames.

- Bob