Strange GoDaddy Back Order Issue

[MicroGuy]

I tried to grab an expired name (registered with Godaddy) by backordering it through Godaddy and ordering it with Snapnames. I eventually won the name via my Snapnames order.

My understanding is that since Godaddy was the Registar, the name should have either gone to my GD backorder or to TDNAM.

Can anyone explain why the Snapnames order was successful?

 

[Earthian]

after a domain expires at GoDaddy it goes Renew Grace period for 18 days (where it can be renewed by the registrant for the regular fee)


on the 19th , it needs $80 redemption fee plus the regular renewal fee for it to be renewed ...


on the 26th , it goes to 10-day expired domain auction ...


if there are no bids , on the 37th , it goes to a backorded if there is one in the GoDaddy system ...


if there is no backorder , it goes to a 5-day Fire Sale ...


if there are no bids there also , on the 43rd , it goes to the 30-day registry redemption period which is followed by the 5-day deletion period ...


after the deletion , dropcatchers , registrars , tasters , individuals , etc try to acquire the domain ...








therefore , you probably just ordered the backorder after the 43rd , while the domain was on the Registry Redemption period ... "kind of out of GoDaddy's hands" ... and GoDaddy had to compete with everybody else to register the domain after it was deleted ... in this case SnapNames acquired the domain ... and you bought it from them ...

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[MicroGuy]

Thanks man. Great information....rep added.

 

[Earthian]

no problemo ...


thanks for the rep ...









two more things ...




as described above , ordering a GoDaddy backorder after the 43rd is not a for-sure-acquisition of a GoDaddy-registered-domain , but just a simple backorder competing with the dropcatchers ... moreover , in the 37th-42nd period , it probably is not a good idea to order a backorder since you can buy it for cheaper at TDNAM (FireSale) ... unless you think it would be acquired instantly by someone else when it appears there , in which case you can secure it with a (ordered-before-the-37th) backorder , before it goes to FireSale (supposing that it gets no bids in the expired auction)




secondly ... it might be a little confusing from the description above , but the previous registrant can renew the domain according to the ToS until the 42nd (+$80) if ithere were bids on TDNAM ... and until the 72nd (+$80) if it passed through TDNAM and went to Registry Redemption ... though I would not leave it to the last day because they send a retrieval request to the registry which can take a couple of days to process ... finally , if it goes to pending delete , it cannot be retrieved and gets deleted after 5 days ...

I don't know what happens if you request the retrieval the last day of redemption and the registrar asks for the retrieval on the same day , but the registry processes it a day later ... logically they might decline it so it's better to do it a couple of days in advance ... unless , that's what happened when some people said that a domain the saw in pending delete , did not finally drop and was still with the previous registrant ... gazzip , are you reading this ?

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[Name Trader]

actually it's a bad thing to backorder it after the start of the auction because your backorder is accepted but is only activated after the end of the normal auction and before the firesale. So anyone could place a minimum bid and get the domain in the auction.

actually, as we all know. There isn't much point to using a GoDaddy backorder if all domains go to TDNAM for auction. Better to just snap it up at the auction itself. If it's in the 30 day redemption period there isn't much point if GD cannot even catch their own dropping names.

 

[Earthian]

actually I was just clarifying that besides not being a for-sure acquisition if backordered after the 43rd ... also it probably is cheaper to FireBuy it than backorder it from the 37th to the 42nd supposing that it gets no bids in the expired auction ...


regarding backordering it before the auction , I think it gets a first bid on the auction , but I think it might be cheaper to just bid it in the auction ... or follow it to the last minute (so that noone bids on it) and then quickly buying it in the FireSale ... though without the backorder there is a small risk someone might FireBuy it before you ...

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[Name Trader]

I think it's pointless to backorder during the fire sale. It's the same as backordering in the 30 day redemption. Besides fire sale is cheaper by $5.

Yep ordering before the auction start gets you on as the first bidder. I think you save the ICANN fee if you backorder it rather than bid at auction.

I recommend anyone wanting to grab a GD/BR/WWD registered, expiring domain not to use a backorder at all, but to just snipe it in the last few minutes of the TDNAM auction. We are in agreement