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I have a few domain names that are related to my city names.
Some domain names are pretty specific for my community entity.
If they ask me to sell my domain name, I will charge $1k

This is my philosophy.
I am doing them a favor by holding good domain names for them.
I am preventing the others from demanding $15K for their domain names.
With $1,000 price tag, I will be happy, and the buyer should be happy too.
So.. everyone is happy.

Am I justifiable? or am I just another cyber-squatter?
I mean, I can't give them domain names for free.
 
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as you said you can't give them the name for free.

I am assuming you say this because it costs you money to have it registered. I believe if you truely think you are doing a service you should be charging $8 per year you have held the domain, no more. If you are profiting from it, then it is immoral to do so.

Your theory of "if I dont do it, someone else will for more money" is not nececcarily correct. If you hadn't registered them, perhaps the owners of the concerned businesses already would have. Squatting is immoral. You cannot justify it by saying "It's only $1000"
 
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tmax said:
I have a few domain names that are related to my city names.
Some domain names are pretty specific for my community entity.
If they ask me to sell my domain name, I will charge $1k

This is my philosophy.
I am doing them a favor by holding good domain names for them.
I am preventing the others from demanding $15K for their domain names.
With $1,000 price tag, I will be happy, and the buyer should be happy too.
So.. everyone is happy.

Am I justifiable? or am I just another cyber-squatter?
I mean, I can't give them domain names for free.

Some of the stupid prices I have seen people asking for domain names I say good on ya fella.

If they want it and get it at a price located on planet earth from you then I totally agree with your philosophy.
 
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And if they dont buy from you . you just lose a bunch of reg fees.
 
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philosophy of the gentle gang member

:let me punch the gut pretend it hurts then my fellow friends wont use their knife"

aaaaaaaaahhhh the sweeeet justifications
 
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another example of true cybersquatting, if this is your true philosophy you have absolutely no ethics and no respect for the law, so you are just another black mark on the industry
 
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I think cyber squatting only applies to Trademarks. I'm not an expert in this field so correct me if I am wrong. I don't know exactly in what context you are speaking about. Did you register domains that are names for local companies? Or just sites relating to your city? I guess you'd have to clarify before any advice/opinions could be given.
 
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Cybersquatting
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Derived from the term Squatting which is the act of occupying an abandoned or unoccupied space or building that the squatter does not own, rent or otherwise have permission to use.

Cybersquatting is a term used to describe the practice of registering and claiming rights over Internet domain names that are, arguably, not for the taking. The cybersquatter then offers the domain to the person or company who owns a trademark contained within the name at an inflated price, an act which some deem to be extortion.

Cybersquatters usually ask for prices far greater than that at which they purchased it. Some cybersquatters put up derogatory remarks about the person or company the domain is meant to represent in an effort to encourage the subject to buy the domain from them.

Cybersquatters sometimes register variants of a popular trademarked names, a practice known as typosquatting.

Cybersquatting is one of the most loosely used terms related to domain name intellectual property law and is often incorrectly used to refer to the sale or purchase of generic domain names such as shoes.com; where a covetous party has designs on unseating the entity that was first to register. See also Typosquatting.

Legal resolution
Domain name disputes are typically resolved using the Uniform Domain Name Resolution Policy (UDRP) process developed by the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). Critics claim that the UDRP process favors large corporations and that their decisions often go beyond the rules and intent of the dispute resolution policy.

Court systems can also be used to sort out claims of cybersquatting, but jurisdiction is often a problem, as different courts have ruled that the proper location for a trial is that of the complainant, the defendant, or the location of the server through which the name is registered. People often choose the UDRP process because it is usually quicker and cheaper than going to court, but courts can and often do overrule UDRP decisions. In Virtual Works, Inc. v. Volkswagen of America, Inc., the United States Supreme Court created a common law requirement that the cybersquatter exhibit a bad faith intent in order to confer liability. This means that domain names bearing close resemblance to trademarked names are not per se impermissible. Rather, the domain name must have been registered with the bad faith intent to later sell it to the copyright holder.

Some countries have specific laws against cybersquatting beyond the normal rules of trademark law. The United States, for example, has the U.S. Anticybersquatting Consumer Protection Act (ACPA) of 1999.

Under UDRP policy, successful complainants can have the names deleted (which often just means someone else will register it) or transferred to their ownership (which means paying regular renewal fees on all the names or risk them being registered by someone else). Under the ACPA the cybersquatter can be held liable for actual damages or statutory damages in the amount of a maximum of $100,000 for each name found to be in violation.

There have been several instances of companies, individuals or governments trying to take generic domain names away from their owners by making false claims of trademark violation. Sometimes they are successful. This practice is called "reverse domain hijacking" and is also punishable by a penalty of up to $100,000 for each violation.

The term cybersquatting is sometimes wrongly used to refer to the sale or purchase of generic domain names. Due to the shortage of descriptive and generic available domain names, covetous entities often try to exploit the term Cybersquatting to suit their desired ends.
 
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Let's say there is a million dollar company named Nevada_AppleTree[dot]com.
They have just expended there operation and started another website at Ohio_AppleTree[dot]com.
This company is growing fast and it's rumored to expend to Arizona.
I notice that Arizona_AppleTree[dot]com is available.
It's very likely that some squatters will hold it for a huge ransom.
So, I would rather squat on that name and sell it cheap.
That's my philosophy.

I have never sold any domain names. I don't do this for profit.
I know my community, and I know which domain names may be needed.
When I see some potential names available, I would like to squat on them as a favor to businesses in my community. I don't think $1K is a lot to ask.
 
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Do what you have to do, every man is for himself in the game of survival.

Eerlijk.
 
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Er, what exactly are you looking for here? Forgiveness?!!! TBH, you are a cybersquatter, just because you decide you are charging less for names than others would... I guess you are a 'bargain cybersquatter'. Don't expect any medals of honour though.
Also tmax, you say you have "never sold any domains", so this is all hypothetical. It strikes me there is a probable chance that there isn't the demand for the names you have that you perceived...

You do what you've got to do though, there are plenty of worse practices performed in the name of business every day :imho:
 
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Why do you not get in contact with the city instead of just holding the names? If you believe you are doing the city a favor should you at least let them know the domains are available and you will transfer the domains at what you think is a reasonable price.

I like the idea about offering domains to public and non-profit organizations for free or at least at low prices but also letting them know about the opportunity is an important factor.
 
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Funny how people jump all over anyone who actually admits that they may be cybersquatting, even though they are not blatantly registering TM'd names...

How many names have you (us, we, everyone) registered in hopes that some day a huge company will all of a sudden start up using that same name, then you sell it to them for hundreds, thousands, maybe even millions of dollars.

It is the name of the game people, so just remember about those who live in glass houses...

:imho:
 
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There is nothing that separates you from other squatters, good intentions or not, the fact is you're still extorting companies/people for money and that makes you a squatter.

I'm sure the names you're squatting on won't see what you're doing as a "favor".
If you're really serious about being a nice guy then give them the names for reg fee. That would make what you're doing OK and "justifiable".

I think donlee said it best:
donlee said:
another example of true cybersquatting, if this is your true philosophy you have absolutely no ethics and no respect for the law, so you are just another black mark on the industry
 
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Twisted logic, OP. Seems more interested in "justifying" rather than doing what your own moral center would allow.
-Allan
 
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Cybersquatting without a doubt, and a very twisted way of trying to justify it. I suppose if you stole someones jewellery, and ransomed it back to them for less than an average thief would, you'd feel OK and everyone would be โ€œhappyโ€? :)
 
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You can try to justify your blatant cybersquatting, but anyway you look at it, you're still a cybersquatter.

An analogy, though not a very good one, is that you know someone is going to be murdered, but you'd rather have it be you than whoever was going to do it, so you kill them, and then justify it by saying if you didn't kill them, then somebody else would. I know that this is completely different, but just putting things into perspective.

Anyway you look at it, cybersquatting is not a "favor."
 
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Yes Robinhood was considered a dangerous outlaw and thief to some that was a foul mark on society......

Fight them and take the words of your opponents and twist them like snakes around the necks , for they are lazy and fat with their attacks.....

The War is justified , in the minds of its soldiers
so the knife draws blood without remorse
cries of the heart is not heard by the killer...
nor the childrens tears are seen


the facet of the jewel is multifaced one side shows rainbows one side shows
your reflection and the other your imagination,
any way you look at it a diferent perpective is revealed....
caught in the prison on the surface , slippery and hard its floor is...
one still may believe elephants can fly, and i really do and i dont need emperical logic to explain to me they dont , one may believe in scholarly books , the other in their fanciful imagination or the others a million other facets of your choice,
 
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tmax said:
Am I justifiable? or am I just another cyber-squatter?
I mean, I can't give them domain names for free.

At $1,000 you are just another cybersquatter with (maybe) lower prices.

Are you parking and obtaining revenue? That's cybersquatting by making a profit on the reputation of another without permission.

You could give them the name for cost plus a reasonable rate of return, something like 20% annually. it would still be cybersquatting, but some may be able to justify that as cost.

Stay generic, stay out of trouble.
 
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tmax said:
I have a few domain names that are related to my city names.
Some domain names are pretty specific for my community entity.
If they ask me to sell my domain name, I will charge $1k

This is my philosophy.
I am doing them a favor by holding good domain names for them.
I am preventing the others from demanding $15K for their domain names.
With $1,000 price tag, I will be happy, and the buyer should be happy too.
So.. everyone is happy.

Am I justifiable? or am I just another cyber-squatter?
I mean, I can't give them domain names for free.

No you are not a "cybersquatter",

You are a person who decided to invest your money in domains to make money and you were the first person smart enough to secure them. Should we say if a person decides to buy automobiles and then decides to sell them at a profit is an "automobile squatter"? It's just business and like every other commodity in this world domains can be bought and used/sold to MAKE MONEY!
 
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