status-resolved Spamming

[JB Lions]

About half of the members we hear from think we moderate too much and the other half think we don't moderate enough. That indicates we're doing it the right amount.

It might indicate you're doing it wrong.

Right now, you literally allow forum spamming. 100% spamming. So you delete comments pointing that out, leave the spammer alone.

With Bikini Tara, deleted comments from people pointing out issues with them, left them alone. They go on to rip somebody off.

Somebody posts something in a thread trying to be helpful, you delete it.

So, I see you deleting/going against people trying to help you keep this forum clean. You literally had a thread in the past about asking for help, then zap the people that do.

If you want to break this into a new thread about forum spamming ok. Because you might be ok with it, then I just need to know, it'll save me some time.

Edited to add just 1 example of forum spam that's allowed here:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/drugaddiction-today.1066119/

 

[Eric Lyon]

Our definitions of spam must not be the same, because by our definition, there is less spam on NamePros than any other forum I've ever seen (Ratio wise) and I've been on a lot of forums.

We don't catch everything, but with the help of the community and our automated systems, there is maybe 1 in 100,000 posts that are spam.

Feel free to link us to spam we missed, and we'll take care of it, but I think your definition of spam is something entirely different from the industry norm.

Thanks for your help,

Somebody posts something in a thread trying to be helpful, you delete it.

It's only deleted in sales threads. This topic may only be discussed here: https://www.namepros.com/threads/pointing-out-a-scam-to-warn-others.1043956/

Please do not mix topics or we will have to delete/move your post.

 

[JB Lions]

I posted an example, here it is again:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/drugaddiction-today.1066119/

Tell me how 3 different threads on the same names isn't spamming?

And no, you haven't handled it, if it goes on day after day. I've lost track of how many times I've reported it, and thru the channel you like, the Report button. So why do you let that guy spam this forum everyday?

but I think your definition of spam is something entirely different from the industry norm.

No, it's not. Start a poll on it, let's see.

 

[Eric Lyon]

Thanks for pointing that out.

It appears that his adult-related post was moved to the adult appraisal forum, where it belongs. He then decided to complain about the post being moved and while doing so, also cross-promoted the same domain(s) in a non-adult forum.

The posts have been removed and the member has been notified.

If they continue to cross-promote like that, we will take further actions.

Please let us know if they do something like that again.

Thanks,

No, it's not. Start a poll on it, let's see.

Definition from Google:
spam

noun

1. irrelevant or inappropriate messages sent on the Internet to a large number of recipients.

verb

1. send the same message indiscriminately to (large numbers of recipients) on the Internet.

 

[james haw]

About half of the members we hear from think we moderate too much and the other half think we don't moderate enough. That indicates we're doing it the right amount.

It might indicate you're doing it wrong.

So should there be more people who think:

1. They moderate too much
2. They don't moderate enough

I think a line straight down the middle of two sides is the most balanced, but which one would you say is needed?

 

[Eric Lyon]

which one would you say is needed?

I believe he would like us to mod less.

Here's my most recent reply to that in an attempt to receive feedback on rules that may need to be changed:

• Unless the rules change, we will always enforce them the same. If you want less moderating, then we should have a conversation about removing/changing specific rules, which is the only way we'd moderate less. Saying that we're moderating too much doesn't help us improve. We need suggestions on changes to the rules, which would result in less moderating of things you disagree with.

Hope that helps,

 

[JB Lions]

I believe he would like us to mod less.

Me? No. If somebody is forum spamming, give them a warning. If they do it again, escalating bans, what was talked about in other threads. Give them a day, week, month, permanent, that's being nice. Could give them warning, week, permanent. This case I'm referencing is a clear, 100% case of forum spamming. They seem to be doing it less, so that's good. But if they pop up and start 3 different threads on new hand regs again, just apply the boot. You wouldn't let somebody come into your house and take a big dump in the middle of your floor, over and over again.

He actually started a 3rd thread Wednesday on .gives - https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-what-gives.1066750/

Mod had to come in and close that one, close another and leave one of the 3 open. Other 2

.Gives as an extension Part 2
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-as-an-extension-part-2.1065127/

.gives as an extension
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-as-an-extension.1064825/#post-6566765

.gives What gives?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-what-gives.1066750/

It was a very easy pattern to see. Appraisal thread, start general topic thread on same domain (see 3 different ones above) then usually start some other thread dropping same domains

 

[Eric Lyon]

Me? No.

Sorry, in one thread you said we're modding too much, and in this thread you say we're not doing it enough.

Mod had to come in and close that one, close another and leave one of the 3 open.

Yes, we're currently working with this member and increasing the measures we take to ensure that the rules are followed.

Please keep in mind that we have an established system on this, and we are not going to ban members without trying diligently to find a resolution first. If we're talking about a spambot or flagrant issues, then we ban much faster, but when it's clearly a real person on the other end of the account, we treat them as such: a person. That's how we've operated for years, and it's not changing.

NamePros is an open community, and we do our best to get every member on the same page with the rules before their account is restricted/closed, when possible/practical. I understand and respect that you would prefer we be quicker to ban certain members and for us to give less second chances, but that's just not what will be found here. We will continue to try to welcome everyone and work with them to follow the rules. I do apologize if that frustrates valuable members like yourself, but I hope you'll respect our decision.

Thanks for understanding,

 

[JB Lions]

Sorry, in one thread you said we're modding too much, and in this thread you say we're not doing it enough.,

Each situation is unique. Not handling spammers, is not enough. Deleting (many) member's posts pointing out spam, fraud, too much. I think you actually lost some members because of that.

Like I said "They seem to be doing it less, so that's good."

 

[creataweb]

Me? No. If somebody is forum spamming, give them a warning. If they do it again, escalating bans, what was talked about in other threads. Give them a day, week, month, permanent, that's being nice. Could give them warning, week, permanent. This case I'm referencing is a clear, 100% case of forum spamming. They seem to be doing it less, so that's good. But if they pop up and start 3 different threads on new hand regs again, just apply the boot. You wouldn't let somebody come into your house and take a big dump in the middle of your floor, over and over again.

He actually started a 3rd thread Wednesday on .gives - https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-what-gives.1066750/

Mod had to come in and close that one, close another and leave one of the 3 open. Other 2

.Gives as an extension Part 2
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-as-an-extension-part-2.1065127/

.gives as an extension
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-as-an-extension.1064825/#post-6566765

.gives What gives?
https://www.namepros.com/threads/gives-what-gives.1066750/

It was a very easy pattern to see. Appraisal thread, start general topic thread on same domain (see 3 different ones above) then usually start some other thread dropping same domains

Yes and it seems that he is trying to use those threads to spam his keywords / domains for only his own benefit to get seen in the big search engines easier / faster. Not only that but it seems he likes to harass anyone who doesn't agree and calling out members here who have many years in this industry. Very unprofessional and even troll-like behavior.
He seems to have done it over and over and gotten many warnings already.

 

[BrandMart]

Time to put a Spam-watchdog on the forum?

 

[creataweb]

How about this? Being compensated to spam here? If that doesn't set off any alarm bells nothing will.

 

[JB Lions]

Reminded me of earlier thread:

"Thanks NoBS...I do appreciate you're attention. It's more valuable than you'll ever know"

https://www.namepros.com/threads/titillation-today-and-stimulation-today.1065275/

And yet another .today thread, dressed up as something else:

https://www.namepros.com/threads/domain-names-and-action-words.1067348/

"For instance, three commercials in a row yesterday used the word "today" in the commercial. They referenced "today" in the context "buy today", "come in and see us today", "test drive today"."

Same stuff you'll find in another post:

"However, what I really wanted to share is that listening to commercials while watching the Golf tournament yesterday, there were three commercials in a row that mentioned the word "today". One of them mentioned it in the context of "Save today" another one mentioned it in the context "come in we're open today", and the third one mentioned it in the context "buy today""

https://www.namepros.com/threads/to...-cheap-psychology.1062726/page-2#post-6580103

Apparently his TV is always showing 3 commercials in a row mentioning today.

 

[Eric Lyon]

Thanks again for pointing this out.

We have cleaned up a few posts/threads now, issued warnings/infractions and reminded the member of the rules.

They are aware that if this type of activity (Off-topic/spam/unauthorized advertising) happens again, their account may be subject to further actions that could restrict their access to NamePros.

Please let us know if you see this account doing it again so we can take immediate actions.

 

[JB Lions]

Thanks again for pointing this out.

We have cleaned up a few posts/threads now, issued warnings/infractions and reminded the member of the rules.

They are aware that if this type of activity (Off-topic/spam/unauthorized advertising) happens again, their account may be subject to further actions that could restrict their access to NamePros.

Please let us know if you see this account doing it again so we can take immediate actions.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/monetize-domains.1069649/#post-6610181

I reported the 2 posts. Then somebody just commented seeing the spam as well:

Bulloney, did you hijack this thread pimping your names?
Not cool.

- MOTO

Just posting it here in case it gets deleted.

It an appraisal thread for somebody else's domain, he manages to mention his new hand reg 3 times in 2 different posts - Monetize.Loans

Bulloney doesn't seem to really care about the many times you've warned him. No real action behind it.

 

[creataweb]

https://www.namepros.com/threads/monetize-domains.1069649/#post-6610181

I reported the 2 posts. Then somebody just commented seeing the spam as well:

Bulloney, did you hijack this thread pimping your names?
Not cool.

- MOTO

Just posting it here in case it gets deleted.

It an appraisal thread for somebody else's domain, he manages to mention his new hand reg 3 times in 2 different posts - Monetize.Loans

Bulloney doesn't seem to really care about the many times you've warned him. No real action behind it.

With all those warnings and infractions I'm shocked that user isn't banned already.

 

[pinkdragon]

With all those warnings and infractions I'm shocked that user isn't banned already.

Account Auto-Closed.

Finally.today

 

[Eric Lyon]

https://www.namepros.com/threads/monetize-domains.1069649/#post-6610181

I reported the 2 posts. Then somebody just commented seeing the spam as well:

Bulloney, did you hijack this thread pimping your names?
Not cool.

- MOTO

Just posting it here in case it gets deleted.

It an appraisal thread for somebody else's domain, he manages to mention his new hand reg 3 times in 2 different posts - Monetize.Loans

Bulloney doesn't seem to really care about the many times you've warned him. No real action behind it.

A moderator removed his post, issued an infraction, and his account has automatically closed for exceeding the maximum alloted negative infraction points.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

 

[eurorealtor]

By the way we have a new spammer in "Request domains" this is his second account trying to flip his "premium" 4letter domain.

 

[Eric Lyon]

By the way we have a new spammer in "Request domains" this is his second account trying to flip his "premium" 4letter domain.

Please use the Report button. Thanks for your help

 

[Silentptnr]

I can see where the terms "moderating" and "spam cleaning" could be confusingly similar for some people.

The one theme that I see is that some members have trouble "trusting" the administration of this forum. This is where much of the challenge arises.

Some members allow their feelings to get hurt. Some members simply decide they have contributed enough that they are above the rules and the established processes. Neither are healthy.

If members, especially older members, were to truly trust the admins and moderators, and know that there are no motives other than making the forum great for millions of people and not just a few, I think it would be wise.

Certainly I mean no disrespect to anyone, but I have never had a question to admin or mods that went unanswered.

 

[creataweb]

Quiet lately - mods fixed the issue

 

[Silentptnr]

Quiet lately - mods fixed the issue

Yup.

 

[JB Lions]

A moderator removed his post, issued an infraction, and his account has automatically closed for exceeding the maximum alloted negative infraction points.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention.

He's back spamming again, shocking that a spammer would spam.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/fun-with-ntlds.1081532/#post-6719660

https://www.namepros.com/threads/when-both-ntld-and-com-are-available.1081341/#post-6717897

There are other threads where he posted the exact same domains but they were legit threads you could post those names, these 2 started just to spam.

So a total of...............5 different threads with the exact same names. 5. And I did use the Report button for them all just to show you there are 5.

If you wondered why I didn't renew my Business Account (probably not) one reason was the blocking of External Auctions from New Posts, old news, but the other reason was allowing spammers here.

 

[eurorealtor]

He's back spamming again, shocking that a spammer would spam.

https://www.namepros.com/threads/when-both-ntld-and-com-are-available.1081341/#post-6717897

JB,

I would consider this ^ more like a showcase or discussion than spam. Maybe you are being too hard.
What irritates me more, are newbies trying to flip crap domains as trade, using "wanted domain" threads.

Tomas