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Short Domain Investing 101

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We have skeptics in this industry, we have naysayers, and then we have idiots who can't see the trees for the forest...

Sometimes it's not about seeing the forest for the trees... Sometimes it's not about seeing "the whole picture" and trying to applying basic principles (like traffic or revenue)... And sometimes understanding "the whole picture" leads one to make irrational decisions (like say, skipping out on buying LLLL.coms pre-buyout).

Sometimes we just need to understand what makes each and every tree unique. The big picture just isn't the right way to approach this new market ripe with opportunity...

To invest or intelligently discuss this market, one needs vision, one needs direction, and one needs an understanding of what future elements may come into play and how they may interact with this market.

Saying LLLL.coms without traffic or revenue are worthless is about as stupid and short-sighted as saying that domain names were worthless in 1985 because nobody had an internet connection...

If you don't have vision or direction, you won't succeed in this market or have much success domaining today... Every investment statement you ever get always says something to the tune of "past performance may not reflect future performance", why many domainers for some reason believe that only the tried and true will ever work is beyond me...

There is profit to be made all around us. LLLL.coms were one opportunity, LLLL.net another. Some saw an opportunity with NNNNN.coms and went for it..

The only people I see getting it consistently wrong are domainers stuck in this 1990s mentality of traffic + revenue only, must be X characters, no numbers/hyphens,...

This is a new century... There is a whole world of new opportunities available today. Why people would limit themselves to what has worked in the past and the typically inferior returns that accompany such limited reasoning is beyond me.

We say that domainers have vision, that they see the future ahead of their time, that they're pioneers in the biggest real estate grab of the 21st century... I don't see vision and I certainly don't see forward thinking when one limits their investments to what has worked in the past... I see someone who's either too scared to take a risk -- one which might I add has paid dividends many times over to those who did just that in the 1990s, or someone who truly cannot grasp the changes ahead of us today.

I don't think I need to go on about developing countries, the mobile internet, an increasingly "connected" world,... The information is out there.

If you want to make a significant ROI in a short period of time, you'll need to take risks, be it LLLL.coms, 5L.coms, 5N.coms, or other short domains. There's been many opportunities over the last year to easily double, triple, quadruple, and in some cases earn annual returns in excess of 1000%...

See the future and be part of that future. Live in the past and don't expect anything more than to stay in the past. The more and more I chat with successful domainers today, the more and more I realize that there really is very little luck involved in domaining... Most of those who've made it big (in this century) have one common characteristic -- they have the ability to take risks. You won't get rich investing in a government bond, nor will you get rich today investing in what has already worked...

What do you see for a future? I see a future ripe with possibilities... A future where short domain names will continue to appreciate... A future where many more ccTLDs (and especially short domain names in ccTLDs) will become ever stronger eclipsing the weaker gTLDs. A future where LLLL.coms will be a prized possession in almost every serious domainer's collection and LLLL.nets will be treated with respect...

And finally, I see a future where new domainers wish they had the opportunites we have today.

Dwell on the past or envision a future full of possibilities? It's really your choice, but I know what I'll be choosing.

New to short domains, need a little help? Be sure to read what follows below.

If you're new to domaining, please see: An Intro to Domain Name Investing.


Short Domains Guide


C = Character. When seen in a domain name listing, the number of C's refers to the number of characters in a domain name. In the domain name industry, the term Character refers to either a Letter of the English alphabet (A-Z) or a Number (0-9). A domain with many characters may have both many letters and many numbers. When used in conjunction with "V", C takes on the meaning of Consonant.

L = Letter. When seen is a domain name listing, the number of L's refers to the number of letters in a domain name. Letters are sometimes represented as C or V, when referring to a particular Consonant-Vowel letter pattern domain name.

N = Number. When seen in a domain name listing, the number of N's refers to the number of numbers in a domain name.

Premium = A premium domain name is a domain name composed exclusively of letters: A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T. These letters are referred to as "premium letters". A premium domain is, in other words, a domain devoid of: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. These letters are commonly referred to as non-premium letters. The letters J,K,U,V,W,Y are considered by most domain investors to be of higher quality than the letters Q,X,Z. The letters J,K,U,V,W,Y are commonly referred to as "semi-premium" letters, whereas Q,X,Z are referred to as "bad letters". These terms are used strictly in a reseller setting and currently hold the largest weight in the 3 and 4 letter markets. More information on premium letters and premium domains, along with many examples will be provided in the 4 letter (LLLL) .com section which is included midway through this guide.

As a general rule, Characters can be represented by Letters or Numbers. A 3 letter .com (LLL.com) is in other words, a type of 3 Character .com (CCC.com). Likewise, a 3 number .com (NNN.com) is also considered a 3 Character .com. Because all number and all letter domains, such as LLL.coms and NNN.coms sell for considerably more than other 3 character domains, domainers typically refer to them as LLL.coms and NNN.coms, and not CCC.coms (3 Character .coms), despite them being composed of 3 characters. The following are industry terms and an explanation of their meaning.

2 Characters​

LL.com = 2 Letter .com. Two Letters from A-Z. They may be the same letter or different letters. Examples include: AA.com, BC.com, DJ.com, MX.com, YQ.com.

LN.com = Letter-Number .com. One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: A1.com, B9.com, X2.com, Y5.com.

NL.com = Number-Letter .com. One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 1A.com, 9B.com, 2X.com, 5Y.com. Notice the difference in letter-number placement between an LN.com and an NL.com.

NN.com = 2 Number .com. Two Numbers from 0-9. They may be the same or different numbers. Examples include 11.com, 21.com, 47.com, 90.com.

3 Characters

LLL.com = 3 Letter .com. Contains 3 Letters from A-Z. Examples include: AAB.com, ABC.com, JHD.com, OOO.com.

LLN.com = Letter-Letter-Number .com. Two Letters from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: JH7.com, KL4.com, MM8.com, ZX2.com.

LNL.com = Letter-Number-Letter .com. One Letter from A-Z followed by One Number from 0-9, which is followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: B2B.com, G4S.com, B3G.com, Y2K.com.

LNN.com = Letter-Number-Number .com. One Letter from A-Z followed by Two Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: C93.com, D22.com, B16.com, W40.com.

NLL.com = Number-Letter-Letter .com. One Number from 0-9 followed by Two Letters from A-Z. Examples include: 4DD.com, 3NT.com, 7WJ.com, 9QS.com.

NLN.com = Number-Letter-Number .com. One Number from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z, which is followed by One Number from 0-9. Examples include: 2D4.com, 5Y7.com, 6R1.com, 3F2.com.

NNL.com = Number-Number-Letter .com. Two Numbers from 0-9 followed by One Letter from A-Z. Examples include: 40A.com 66V.com, 75J.com, 91R.com.

NNN.com = 3 Number .com. Contains 3 Numbers from 0-9. Examples include: 123.com, 300.com, 444.com, 747.com.

4 Characters

LLLL.com = 4 Letter .com. Contains 4 Letters from A-Z. Below we define different types of 4 Letter .coms.

Anti-Premium: A domain name that contains only non-premium letters. An anti-premium domain is
a domain which is composed strictly of letters: J,K,Q,U,V,W,X,Y,Z. The term Anti-Premium is most commonly applied to 4 Letter .coms, however it also makes a good adjective to describe the 3 letter crap selling near min wholesale as well. Examples of Anti-Premium LLL.coms include: YXZ.com, VKQ.com, XZW.com, QKU.com. Examples of Anti-Premium LLLL.coms include: WKQU.com, XYQZ.com, YQUW.com, KQJV.com. Anti-Premium LLLL.coms are the lowest quality LLLL.coms on the market and are generally among the cheapest.

Single Premium: We use this term to refer LLLL.coms containing only one premium letter. Examples of Single Premium LLLL.coms include: JHXZ.com, UQTX.com, WQUE.com, EUWJ.com.

Double Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing two premium letters. Examples of Double Premium LLLL.coms include: ASWQ.com, BJKT.com, WVMG.com, HWRZ.com.

Triple Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing three premium letters. Examples of Triple Premium LLLL.coms include: ASDX.com, POSW.com, NWOO.com, XEEB.com.
LLL.coms containing three premium letters are commonly referred to as "Premium LLL.coms". Examples include: SAS.com, RTN.com, NPG.com, RSS.com.

Quad Premium: We use this term to refer to LLLL.coms containing four premium letters. Examples of Quad Premium LLLL.coms include: AAAL.com, FFLE.com, MNGO.com, GHPR.com.

Pronounceables

We're not going to be particularly strict on the letter Y as to its consonant and/or vowel status in this guide... There is little consensus on where the letter Y should fall. My personal belief is that it should be classified as a vowel when it takes the role of a vowel (examples: RUBY, HOLY), and classified as a consonant when it does not (examples: YAMS, YOLK).

CVCV = A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVs are generally extremely pronounceable and are among the most valuable LLLL.coms. Examples include: MELO.com, MOFO.com, ZENE.com, LUMI.com. Many CVCVs are actual words in English or in another language and that partly contributes to their high valuations, on top of their immense brandability and obvious enduser potential.

CVVC = A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. Examples include: NOOL.com, ROOX.com, BEER.com, MOOT.com.

VCCV = A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. Examples include: ADDA.com, ELLO.com, INGE.com, UGFO.com

VCVC = A 4 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. VCVCs are often among the most pronounceable and desirable LLLL.coms, right up there with CVCVs. Examples include: OPAL.com, ONEX.com, ILEC.com, UQEN.com.

Rare

AABB = A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters, where "A" and "B" symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CCDD.com, DDJJ.com, MMXX.com, ZZGG.com.

ABAB = A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters, where "A" and "B" symbolically represent two different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDCD.com, DJDJ.com, MXMX.com, ZGZG.com.

Palindromes = A 4 letter .com domain name which contains only 2 different letters from A-Z. Examples include: CDDC.com, DJJD.com, MXXM.com, ZGGZ.com. Palindromes are commonly referred to ABBA-type LLLL.coms. They inherited the name Palindrome due to their identical nature when reading from left to right or right to left.

Triple Letter = An LLLL.com containing three of the same letter. These are sometimes referred to as Triple letter repeats in the case it is of an AAAB or BAAA letter pattern. Examples include: SSSJ.com, SWWW.com, HHGH.com, IJII.com. Notice how each of these examples showcases the Triple Letter LLLL.com differently. These are all considered Triple Letter LLLL.coms.

VVVV = A 4 letter .com domain name which contains four vowels. Examples include: AEIO.com, EUOU.com, IOUI.com, EAUU.com.

5L.coms

CVCCV = A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVCCVs are among the most popular 5L.com domain names which are registered and resold today.
Examples include: RORRE.com, FOGGE.com, ZINNE.com, VISTA.com.

CVCVC = A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant letter pattern. CVCVCs are essentially CVCVs with an additional consonant at the end.
Examples include: FALES.com, FIRAL.com, SAGEP.com, LINUX.com.

CVCVV = A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Vowel letter pattern. CVCVVs are essentially CVCVs with an additional vowel at the end.
Examples include: RAGOO.com, PARIA.com, MELOO.com, MONEE.com.

CVVCV = A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Consonant-Vowel-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. CVVCVs are CVCVs with an additional vowel included before the second consonant.
Examples: ZOOME.com, ROOMI.com, PIECO.com, MOOLA.com.

VCVCV = A 5 letter .com domain name which follows a Vowel-Consonant-Vowel-Consonant-Vowel letter pattern. VCVCVs are essential VCVCs with an additional vowel at the end.
Examples include: ATOMO.com, EFOTO.com, ISAMI.com, OSIRA.com.

Due to the high prices CVCVs and VCVCs have been seeing lately, many 5L.com investors see CVCCV, CVCVC, CVCVV, CVVCV, and VCVCV as five of the most promising 5L.com alternatives to brandable LLLL.coms which are rapidly increasing in price.

Short Domain Name Prices

For data on 3 letter domain names, please visit: 3Character.com .

For data on 5L.coms, please see: this thread . Data on 5L availability can be found here

For pricing numeric domains, I recommend visiting: Domain Magnate and this thread .

The following LLLL.com data is courtesy of TDVR and 4 Letter Noob. Much of what follows is thanks to the contributions of many domainers who track LLLL.com sales and report them in The LLLL.com sales report thread. A special thanks goes out to these domainers who've truly made a difference: accentnepal, alex, arnie, AussieDomainer, bgmv, bricio, dag, Eg. domains, Ergo, filter, gazzip, italiandragon, KingDon, Malaysia, mwzd, Michael Goldman, Netizen, Nullmind, raredn, rjs essex, Shenron, Spade, ssamriga, SJM211, tetrapak, thetruman, tristanperry, vlad74, VURG, xman and to the countless others who take the time to report and discuss sales.

April 2008 LLLL.com Price Guide

Data derived from TDVR.com, the largest LLLL.com database. Numbers in parentheses reflect Apr 05, 2008 statistics. Current prices reflect the results of the 430 most recent reported LLLL.com sales within the Apr 06, 2008 through Apr 18, 2008 timeframe.

Minimum Wholesale : $33.00 ($37.00) -> 11%

10th percentile: $41.00 ($45.00) -> 9%

25th percentile: $51.00 ($61.00) -> 16%

Median: $85.00 ($103.00) -> 17%

75th percentile: $392.00 ($388.00) -> 1%

90th percentile*: $1010.00 ($995.00) -> 2%


Prices were unchanged in the pronounceable and higher quality LLLL.com segments over the last 13 days. Prices on the lower end continue to plummet with the hardest hit segment this time being the 25th through 50th percentile (typically double and lower grade triple premiums). As many of you know, I'm a big fan of triple premiums and higher grade LLLL.coms with bad letters in general. Avoiding this market isn't necessary -- but a change of strategy from buying at a certain price to buying based on the quality of the letters (more on this will be explained later this week) is necessary.

* Quad Premiums and pronounceables remained relatively stable in price over the last couple weeks. Min wholesale on quad premiums is approximately $330, down from $350 reported in the previous price guide. CVCVs continue to see appreciation on the low end, while the upper end seems to have temporarily stabilized, as have prices on rares and most other pronounceables.




Approximate Reseller Price By LLLL.com Segment:

** Please use these prices only as a reference. They are meant to reflect minimum, not maximum prices one should expect to pay in the process of acquiring a particular type of LLLL.com. Consider the below prices nothing more than a "Buyer's Guide" to LLLL.com domaining. Prices reported below are intended to illustrate what a typical LLLL.com of a particular type would go for on a typical day at your typical venue... They are not meant to represent what double letter, triple letter, CVCV, VCVC, CVVC, VCCV, other pronounceables, meaningful acronym, or real word LLLL.coms may go for. Always use common sense ;)

Anti-premium: $35

Single Premium: $35

Double Premium: $40

Triple Premiums

$45 with Q

$50 with X

$55 with Z

$65 with Y

$70 with J

$85 with V

$90 with K

$120 with U

$140 with W

Quad Premiums: $330-$1000+ depending on the letters. Quad premiums containing an F or an H tend to report the lowest selling prices. Strong letters include A, S, E.

Examples of what would usually fetch < $400 :

Likely contains: F, G, H

Likely does not contain any: A, S

Likely does not contain any repeat letters or double letters.

AAAB, BAAA, AABB, and pronounceable quad premiums are noticeably absent from the under $500 group, pretty much without exceptions. Strong double repeating starting letters (such as A or S) generally lead to sales above $600.

Factors influencing LLLL.com valuations include the letter quality, brandability, pronounceability, age, frequency, and traffic. The 2 strongest premium letters are A and S. Other higher quality premium letters include E, M, D, I, T, O. The three weakest selling quad premium letters are F, G, and H. Letter position is also important. Certain letters perform better in certain positions than others (although the above rule holds on average across all letter patterns). C,I,L make stronger ending letters than they typically are elsewhere in an LLLL.com. A and O are strong in either the starting or ending position and S is stronger in the starting position. This is by no means an exhaustive list, merely examples of letters which perform better in particular positions.

Quad Premiums containing 3 of the same letters (eg: SOOO.com, MMMQ.com) tend to sell at a significant premium, regardless of the quality the letters are. Only 4 sales of quad premium triple letters occured in the last 2 weeks, 1 (FFFN.com) sold for $850 and the other 3 sold for $1437, $2250, and $2500. It's fairly safe to say all quad premium triple letter LLLL.coms will fetch $1XXX at auction (FFFN, being 3 times the second weakest premium letter is more of an exception than the rule). As a whole, (including non-premiums), triple repeats are generally ~ $500-$3000+ depending on whether the triple letter LLLL.com contains bad letters, receives traffic, is aged, has numerous potential endusers, desirability as a collectible,... The names are commonly referred to as AAAB and BAAA, reflecting that they contain 2 different letters, where A and B represent 2 different premium letters from the set of 17 premium letters (A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I,L,M,N,O,P,R,S,T). When the triple letter pattern is broken up (eg. ABAA, AABA), we tend to see prices in the $300-$1200 range (depending on if premium or not, as well as factors mentioned above). Triple repeat letters containing at least 1 bad letter tend to sell for $500-$1500. AABB type LLLL.coms tend to sell for between $500-$2000+, with $500 being the floor for combinations containing 2 bad letters (eg. XXQQ.com) and $1000+ being what all premium conbinations (eg. TTII.com) would typically fetch. Palindromes (ABBA type LLLL.coms) tend to sell for approximately $300+, with premium combinations extremely difficult to obtain under $800 and frequently sell for $1XXX. Upon doing some research, I've been able to conclude that AABB > AAAB/BAAA > ABBA for quad premium specimens. For other LLLL.coms, the pattern is typically AAAB/BAAA > AABB > ABBA. Important to note that in general AABB > ABBA.

10th percentile:

vzjz.com $37.00 04/10
bqys.com $37.00 04/12
PNZQ.com $37.00 04/15
vxbz.com $37.00 04/07
kvyv.com $38.00 04/09
xfqr.com $38.00 04/12
qwza.com $39.00 04/15
pxkg.com $39.00 04/09
ptjv.com $39.00 04/14
lwxw.com $39.00 04/13
dzws.com $40.00 04/07
jjqr.com $40.00 04/15
gzjv.com $40.00 04/11
thqu.com $40.00 04/06
qayh.com $40.00 04/13
ckqn.com $40.00 04/14
klhq.com $40.00 04/15
yfuw.com $40.00 04/14
VPYW.com $40.00 04/10
uvxd.com $40.00 04/14
wpjz.com $41.00 04/06
XJQV.com $41.00 04/17
xdnk.com $41.00 04/09
zkqa.com $41.00 04
thzv.com $41.00 04/09
xmmq.com $41.00 04/09
zxtf.com $41.00 04/09
jrwg.com $41.00 04/14
gwsx.com $41.00 04/11
zthz.com $41.00 04/13
zgfv.com $41.00 04/09
yfkm.com $41.00 04/09
qcpk.com $41.00 04/07
rqby.com $41.00 04/09
qdru.com $42.00 04/12
mzgh.com $42.00 04/12
kuln.com $42.00 04/13
zfwa.com $42.00 04/11
gkiy.com $42.00 04/07
dzvb.com $42.00 04/07
skzw.com $43.00 04/15
qshz.com $43.00 04/07
zkvx.com $43.00 04/07
KGQK.com $43.00 04/15
MQRW.com $43.20 04/15
zcfl.com $44.00 04/09
wmsz.com $44.00 04/09
qgqd.com $44.00 04/09
sxrh.com $44.00 04/09
Vctq.com $44.99 04/12
jdzk.com $45.00 04/14
pzrl.com $45.00 04/09
zvws.com $45.00 04/14

Names at the 10th percentile tend to have at least 1 bad letter and 1-2 semi-premiums.

25th percentile:

zodq.com $46.00 04/15
yrjy.com $46.00 04/09
rqpa.com $46.00 04/09
nqvt.com $46.00 04
hmpx.com $46.00 04/15
qjac.com $46.00 04/09
rqat.com $46.00 04/09
wxqu.com $46.00 04/09
srbj.com $46.00 04/15
qvvj.com $46.00 04/17
dqge.com $46.00 04/15
kvmw.com $46.00 04/15
wmzg.com $46.00 04/15
wrqz.com $46.00 04/09
zhqa.com $46.00 04
kyjv.com $46.00 04/15
vyeh.com $46.00 04
imqb.com $47.00 04/09
wllq.com $47.00 04/09
lzxg.com $49.00 04
xyqg.com $49.00 04
ljkq.com $49.00 04
nczw.com $49.00 04
lxkm.com $49.00 04
RTFZ.com $49.10 04/10
xvdv.com $50.00 04/11
qvvx.com $50.00 04/17
lqyn.com $50.00 04
mhmq.com $50.00 04/17
gdxr.com $50.00 04/13
OUNQ.COM $50.00 04/11
qsgr.com $50.00 04/17
dqcf.com $50.00 04/17
rqoc.com $51.00 04/09
ZLSE.com $51.00 04/10
fkxe.com $51.00 04/10
xnct.com $51.00 04/11
yjlu.com $51.00 04/11
zkns.com $51.00 04
kjsh.com $53.00 04/15
gqhr.com $54.00 04/11
grzr.com $55.00 04/15
qspg.com $55.00 04/10
xbdn.com $55.00 04/09
vdjp.com $55.00 04/06
hcxn.com $55.00 04/10
OPRZ.com $55.00 04/10
RZGS.com $55.55 04/15
jtnu.com $56.00 04/15
hovj.com $57.00 04/07
psvw.com $57.00 04/07
iwyw.com $57.00 04/09


Names at the 25th percentile tend to have 1 bad letter and 1 semi-premium, or 2 semi-premium letters.

Median:

pztm.com $80.00 04/12
YOYF.com $80.00 04/11
sozf.com $80.00 04/06
wsvt.com $80.00 04/15
vagf.com $80.00 04/15
mtje.com $80.00 04/15
xuir.com $80.00 04/10
ujfm.com $80.00 04
zwgq.com $80.00 04/10
wkuc.com $81.00 04/10
HCRK.com $81.00 04
idxo.com $81.00 04/16
sqrz.com $83.00 04/07
eulj.COM $83.00 04/17
hwiu.com $84.00 04/16
uusy.com $84.00 04/17
mefz.com $84.00 04/10
wkzz.com $85.00 04
hxbn.com $85.00 04/12
osqe.com $85.00 04/13
vvgl.com $85.00 04/14
zcir.com $85.00 04
avrf.com $85.00 04/14
cqpn.com $85.00 04/14
gocw.com $86.00 04/17
aowf.com $86.00 04/14
sfiv.com $86.00 04/17
xrul.COM $87.00 04/17
JWLL.com $89.00 04/17
pgtu.com $90.00 04/09
izuj.com $91.00 04/15
nsmk.com $92.00 04/11
ivhn.com $92.00 04/10
NCAX.com $93.00 04/10
qcrd.com $94.00 04/07
xjcf.com $95.00 04/09

Names at the 50th percentile tend to have a maximum of 2 semi-premiums or 1 bad letter and 1 semi-premium. They often have only 1 bad (or semi-premium) letter and may include repeat letters.

75th percentile:

uwai.com $362.00 04/10
LNAF.com $370.00 04/09
hcnl.com $371.00 04/14
bgdo.com $379.00 04/10
pgmn.com $381.00 04/12
pgmn.com $381.00 04/12
FHOR.com $389.00 04/09
aldb.com $390.00 04/12
eweh.com $393.00 04/06
huhy.com $400.00 04/11
HCNL.com $400.00 04/06
dtao.com $400.00 04/15
XEGI.com $400.00 04/11
lmae.com $400.00 04/17
bdto.com $401.00 04
pyou.com $401.00 04/12
ticd.com $402.00 04/14
OUFI.com $407.00 04/09
IKNU.com $408.46 04
LBCB.com $410.00 04
NTDL.com $411.00 04/06
bgro.com $412.00 04/14
FMOM.com $415.00 04/10

Names at the 75th percentile generally contain a maximum of 1 bad letter and often include only 1 semi-premium. Double letter and double repeat letter combinations (eg. ETTW.com) are also commonly found at this percentile. Low grade pronounceables (including VCVC) sometimes find their way into this category, as do lower quality quad premiums.

90+ percentile:

swnb.com $,1510.00
goxa.com $1,520.00 04/18
rihu.com $1,566.00 04/17
Xaxo.com $1,600.00 04/14
fied.com $1,633.00 04/17
pohe.com $1,862.00 04/16
hods.com $1,900.00 04/13
Lidy.com $1,950.00 04/17
mtra.com $1,950.00 04/14
hscf.com $2,000.00 04/09
rivi.com $2,000.00 04/16
EPMS.com $2,099.00 04/06
sooo.com $2,250.00 04/12
ilsi.com $2,300.00 04/09
alaa.com $2,300.00 04/17
nool.com $2,389.00 04/09
pzza.com $2,499.00 04/10
TTII.com $2,500.00 04/16
dcgi.com $2,500.00 04/16
ONNN.com $2,500.00 04/18
conx.com $2,600.00 04/12
tosu.com $2,600.00 04/16
pevo.com $2,700.00 04/16
fehu.com $3,000.00 04/15
pldn.com $3,075.00 04/09
bkyn.com $3,500.00 04/16
ledu.com $4,002.00 04/09
msdb.com $4,200.00 04/09
geci.com $4,302.00 04/09
ipex.com $5,000.00 04/07
boso.com $5,100.00 04/09
UKOO.com $6,500.00 04
Swin.COM $7,000.00 04/17
imls.com $7,500.00 04/16
phli.com $8,600.00 04/06
MDPI.com $9,000.00 04/16
UDVD.com $15,000.00 04/09
popa.com $15,270.00 04/11
Reos.com $25,000.00 04/16

Names at the 90+ percentile generally consist of quad premiums, VCVCs, CVCVs, other pronounceables, dictionary words, and LLLL.coms having AAAB, BAAA, ABAA, AABA, AABB, and ABBA patterns. Enduser sales of lower + higher quality LLLL.coms are becoming increasingly common at this percentile.

Pronounceable Performance

Documented below are the sales of VCVC/CVCV reported since the last price guide. VCCV/CVVC will be covered in May.

CVCV:

popa.com $15,270.00 04/11
boso.com $5,100.00 04/09
geci.com $4,302.00 04/09
ledu.com $4,002.00 04/09
fehu.com $3,000.00 04/15
pevo.com $2,700.00 04/16
tosu.com $2,600.00 04/16
rivi.com $2,000.00 04/16
Xaxo.com $1,600.00 04/14
goxa.com $1,520.00 04/18
gahe.com $1,112.00 04/17
QESU.com $631.00 04/11
qome.com $571.00 04/18

XEGI.com $400.00 04/11







VCVC:

ipex.com $5,000.00 04/07
OSOC.com $499.00 04/06 (it deserves to be mentioned, quad premium VCVCs generally go for much, much more. This sale is NOT the norm)
EDIJ.com $337.76 04
OQOT.com $285.00 04
urav.com $210.00 04/17
uqoz.com $110.00 04/12
izuj.com $91.00 04/15
End of guide.
Release date: Apr 18, 2008.
Next release on: May 08, 2008.
 
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LOL @ Tivo! :D

Thanks for the great post Reece! I'm so glad I bought some LLLL.coms before the prices doubled & in many cases, tripled!
 
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Reece, thanks for the great post.

Very interesting read, pity I came a bit late to the short domains.
 
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we have been buying up 2-word 6-letter domains under the same theory. the .mobi aftermarket caught us by surprise too btw. nice optimistic post :kickass:
 
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I think we all think we didn't start investing in short domains early enough :)

If I would have started LLLL.com domaining a couple years before I did, I could have bought a pile of quad premium LLLL.coms at regfee...

Or how about buying LLL.coms for $400 in '04 on eBay instead of watching the auctions and wondering why people would pay $400+ for QXZ.com (sound familiar?) :'(

There were major opportunities to invest early in LLL.net/.org, NNNN.coms, CCC.coms that I let slip by, just as many people today have watched but ignorantly chosen not to invest in LLLL.coms, LLLL.nets, NNNNN.coms, ...

We can't get it right everytime and I'll admit to being a skeptic of NNNNN.coms early on and missing out on yet another excellent investment opportunity. I didn't understand the market dynamics of NNNNN.coms and made an opinion about them without analyzing the facts, something one should never do :red:

But people do it everyday... There are a few people out there that still think LLLL.coms are all going to drop sometime between Aug-Nov. Most of these naysayers have smartened up and are now saying something along the lines of "Quad premium and pronounceable LLLL.coms will have significant value, but appreciation on the rest will be negligible." It's a start I guess...

You're not late at all, matter of fact, you're very early to the game. When we look at all the potential endusers, acronyms, and sheer brandability out there for short domains, one has to really wonder how an LLL.com can still be had under $10k, how a quad premium LLLL.com can be had for as little as $400, how a quad premium LLLL.net can be found for ~ $10-$15, how an NNNNN.com can be found for about 1/30th of an NNNN.com, how an anti-premium LLLL.com fetches 1/200th what a comparable LLL.com fetches,... As much as I like .mobi being the mobi mod and all, I could never grasp how an LLL.mobi could fetch more (LLL.mobi ~ $200+ ) than an LLLL.com...

There's alot of stuff that doesn't make much sense in domaining... This is only the beginning and I would like to argue, one of the most intelligent domain name segments you could possibly choose to invest in. Ten years down the road, people will be slapping themselves silly for missing out on investing in something so obvious as short domains.

Irieman said:
Very interesting read, pity I came a bit late to the short domains.
 
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hii reece it was great reading your first post om this thread,
plz check out my site http:websitetraders.com i have done something wat u have written...do let me know how u find it,
thanx.
 
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Reece said:
Ten years down the road, people will be slapping themselves silly for missing out on investing in something so obvious as short domains.

...And the funniest thing is no matter who says it & no matter how many times it's said, many (esp. new) domainers just don't really pay attention until it's too late. :'(
 
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Quad Premium Llll.co With Double Letters

hey guys i got iiBc.com for $1.1K, i think its a bit expensive cost price, wat do u guys feel?

I read here that LLL.com are still cheap at less then $10k but is this the risk worth taking taking into account the tm issues, i feel if u have the money buying a NNN.com or net is more safe
 
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I appreciate this excellent thread.
 
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This seems like a forward thinking group. Do you think that text messaging (cell phones) has affected the english language enough to change what people might type into web browsers? Specifically I'm referrring to the shortening of almost every word to a single letter. Thoughts?
 
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This seems like a forward thinking group. Do you think that text messaging (cell phones) has affected the english language enough to change what people might type into web browsers? Specifically I'm referrring to the shortening of almost every word to a single letter. Thoughts?

Yes, the other trend that may be a huge source for growth is numeric domains, since it is a lot easier to enter 466453.com (represents "google" on a numeric keypad"), which google owns, than to type in "google.com" on a cell phone. Scott over at numericdomains.com says the numeric takes only 14 dial pad inputs whereas spelling out "google.com" on a cell phone keypad takes 36 dial pad inputs. So I think it is very likely we will see a move to numeric domains for mobile phone browsing.
 
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Yes, the other trend that may be a huge source for growth is numeric domains, since it is a lot easier to enter 466473.com (represents "google" on a numeric keypad"), which google owns, than to type in "google.com" on a cell phone. Scott over at numericdomains.com says the numeric takes only 14 dial pad inputs whereas spelling out "google.com" on a cell phone keypad takes 36 dial pad inputs. So I think it is very likely we will see a move to numeric domains for mobile phone browsing.

:zzz:

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thanks for sharing the information...

interesting...

:)

~DomainBELL (Patricia)
 
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so wats goin on with LLLL.com......i got iiBc.com.....when do you'll advise me to sell it?
 
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That's a gem mate...

I wouldn't even consider selling for a long time if I were you.

http://www.iibc.org/
http://www.iibc.ca/

^

A good place to start if you need the cash :)

dpro said:
so wats goin on with LLLL.com......i got iiBc.com.....when do you'll advise me to sell it?
 
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Reece.... and everyone...

I'd be interested to know which two of these you feel is worth the most...
if you feel like sharing your imput...

thanks in advance...

EYGU.COM
FKUL.COM
GAZC.COM
GF18.COM
GNVR.COM
GPXM.COM
HYQO.COM
KYLP.COM
LFKE.COM
LINS.US
LLJP.COM
LYRB.COM
MTWD.COM
ODQU.COM
OH65.COM
OQLO.COM
OYUY.COM
PCHQ.US
PEKV.COM
PYHP.COM
QIAR.COM
SGJE.COM
SGVE.COM
SGVO.COM
SVBJ.COM
UEKY.COM
UFKY.COM
UIOW.COM
UUOD.COM
UVDU.COM
UWYZ.COM
VHFR.COM
VPBE.COM
WWWL.US
YAWW.COM
ZENS.US
CB-G.COM
FVOH.COM
GQGU.COM
T-FM.COM
1-4-9-.com
A888.US
GiJ0E.com
A7F.net
40-D.com
18Cam.net
Kat18.com
ZooTV.tv
Sega7.com
123JR.com
Y-Hot.com
AMYMY.COM
DVDR4.COM
EHAIR.US
EHYIP.US
FLOSS.INFO
FYINT.COM
G-F-Y.COM
GRABS.BIZ
GRUMY.COM
GSJCO.COM
MIRMX.COM
MLMHR.COM
MOVUY.COM
NEBMS.COM
OBITS.BIZ
OODLE.US
ORUAN.COM
PAYUP.US
PEWEE.INFO
VOWNS.COM
WYMPY.COM
YLCOS.COM
EONSS.COM
KPAYS.COM
PRKED.COM
UHAHL.COM
UOHIO.COM
8XZ.ORG
O9R.NET
P4P.US
RMA.CC
KK2.ORG
VT2.ORG


Smile...

Do you have a blog ??

~DomainBELL (Patricia)
 
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Reece i would like to sell it for $1.5k now, u want to buy it?
iiBc.com
 
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DomainBELL said:
Reece.... and everyone...

I'd be interested to know which two of these you feel is worth the most...
if you feel like sharing your imput...

thanks in advance...

EYGU.COM
FKUL.COM
GAZC.COM
GF18.COM
GNVR.COM
GPXM.COM
HYQO.COM
KYLP.COM
LFKE.COM
LINS.US
LLJP.COM
LYRB.COM
MTWD.COM
ODQU.COM
OH65.COM
OQLO.COM
OYUY.COM
PCHQ.US
PEKV.COM
PYHP.COM
QIAR.COM
SGJE.COM
SGVE.COM
SGVO.COM
SVBJ.COM
UEKY.COM
UFKY.COM
UIOW.COM
UUOD.COM
UVDU.COM
UWYZ.COM
VHFR.COM
VPBE.COM
WWWL.US
YAWW.COM
ZENS.US
CB-G.COM
FVOH.COM
GQGU.COM
T-FM.COM
1-4-9-.com
A888.US
GiJ0E.com
A7F.net
40-D.com
18Cam.net
Kat18.com
ZooTV.tv
Sega7.com
123JR.com
Y-Hot.com
AMYMY.COM
DVDR4.COM
EHAIR.US
EHYIP.US
FLOSS.INFO
FYINT.COM
G-F-Y.COM
GRABS.BIZ
GRUMY.COM
GSJCO.COM
MIRMX.COM
MLMHR.COM
MOVUY.COM
NEBMS.COM
OBITS.BIZ
OODLE.US
ORUAN.COM
PAYUP.US
PEWEE.INFO
VOWNS.COM
WYMPY.COM
YLCOS.COM
EONSS.COM
KPAYS.COM
PRKED.COM
UHAHL.COM
UOHIO.COM
8XZ.ORG
O9R.NET
P4P.US
RMA.CC
KK2.ORG
VT2.ORG


Smile...

Do you have a blog ??

~DomainBELL (Patricia)


Looking at the list real quick what stands out to me is MTWD, LLJP PCHQ,

MTWD- Montana web design, multi tasking web design (comp. name)

LLJP- LL Japan

PCHQ- PC Head quarters

WWWL * US

PRKED & GIJ0E nice to me too

and KPAYS is brand able. Kaehle Pays start your own company that pays people to write articles, advertise yours * others domains, spit out minisites ect.. ect..

Those are the ones I like best
 
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thank you for sharing your thoughts Chilly...
Much appreciated...

~DomainBELL (Patricia)





CHILLY said:
Looking at the list real quick what stands out to me is MTWD, LLJP PCHQ,

MTWD- Montana web design, multi tasking web design (comp. name)

LLJP- LL Japan

PCHQ- PC Head quarters

WWWL * US

PRKED & GIJ0E nice to me too

and KPAYS is brand able. Kaehle Pays start your own company that pays people to write articles, advertise yours * others domains, spit out minisites ect.. ect..

Those are the ones I like best
 
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Major update.

I think Post #1 now accurately lives up to it's title :)
 
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Reece said:
Single Premium: We use this term to refer LLLL.coms containing only one premium letter. Examples of Single Premium LLLL.coms include: JHXZ.com, UQTR.com, WQUE.com, EUWJ.com.
UQTR is pretty ugly, but it deserves respect as a double premium. Some Noob is going to be really confused by that.


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The 2 strongest premium letters are A and S. Other higher quality premium letters include E, M, D, I, T, O.
Don't want to get into the "my letter is better than your's" debate yet again, but shouldn't "C" be in there? It promises to behave.


A very good summary, overall, and although there are differences of opinions on a lot of things you seemed to have walked the line(s) well.
 
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Thanks mate, really appreciate the critique and you catching that mistake :)

VURG statistically analyzed a month worth of TDVR data for me recently and C actually ended up near the bottom of the premium letter sales data ("U" actually returns higher sales numbers than "C"). I thought it would have ranked higher myself. Upon looking over the actual sales myself, it seems that despite having a fair share of high dollar sales, C seems to have more than it's fair share of lower value ones.

To quote VURG here: "There does however look like there is strong evidence here that the letter C is not at the same standard. However the scarcity of domains with the letter C suggests that there is not a lot on the open market. I think that C is a good acronym but a poor brandable letter."

I think VURG's right and that may explain why we see some very strong sales with C and then many weaker ones. C can make for some really ugly CVCVs and VCVCs when found as the second consonant either consonant D-:


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UQTR is pretty ugly, but it deserves respect as a double premium. Some Noob is going to be really confused by that.



Don't want to get into the "my letter is better than your's" debate yet again, but shouldn't "C" be in there? It promises to behave.


A very good summary, overall, and although there are differences of opinions on a lot of things you seemed to have walked the line(s) well.
 
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NNNNN.com is currently way underpriced. Numbers always have higher value than letters. NNNN.com are already going from $500-$1000 already, then NNNNN.com should be at least $70+. Another insight of mine is if they were only 30k available for the public to register! Now it is a GREAT time to get some, honestly.

totally agree ....... i am rapt to have my 6462*com and my 583*info and of course thanks to reece for his work ....cheers , funny iregged ybhi*com way before the buyout of llll's .... i just thought ybhi was a good acronym for 'your best health information" ...... it's my only LLLL , but i like it and some fun i thought
 
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Great help here, it helped me allot, now i understand this short domains more.

But why you didnt write anything for CCCC.com are they not worth?

And whats with other extensions? like .org .net .info i think good idea will be to write how much percent this other extensions are worth according to .com
 
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