domain seo.net

[sonix]

This is reagarding this tread that I found googling: Read it first :
http://www.namepros.com/domain-appraisals/371178-search-engine-optimization-net.html


What a wired situation. You will probably laugh very load :yell:

What first comes to my mind is an old joke that I would like to start with.

A newspaper reporter comes to a school to write an article about some children.
What is your name, the reporter asks one of the kids. Bruce Lee the kid says.
Strange he thinks and asks another child. Bruce Lee is the answer again. He goes then to the teacher to find out what it is about and before he open his mouth the teacher is shouting "They are all lying, I'm Bruce Lee"

So to continue on this threat I would like to say I'm the owner of the domain http://seo.net

But habb was 5 minutes from actually buying it from me. And this is so weird so I just have to tell this story.

Well I got a buyer (habb) who gave me good offer for the domain. So we agreed on the conditions and they came with the car driving 500 km so we could sign the deal. They called me that they just arrived and will be at my place in few minutes. I made just last check on the google putting in keywords "seo" and "domain". The bell rings on my door and at the same time a link is popping up saying "SEO.com Domain Purchased for $5 Million". I'm opening the link and what do I see? A photo of a guy that I met almost 10 years ago at the Rapid Site dealer network in Boca Raton, Mike Mann. If I remember right he just moved to US from Germany and had started an e-commerce business. What a wired situation??? What should I do now????
I was quite shocked and you probably guessed that I couldn't sell this domain to these poor guys without making more research around the whole warped situation. Not enough that it was sold to so high price, but to a person I have met in real life????

I have read now about Mike's great success on selling domain business for MUS 65. It's really cool to know somebody who have got some success.

Another thing why I didn't sell to you habb was that your hand shacked terribly showing that you were very nervous. The rise of the offer with 2/3 of the original value means that it was a good choice. And with your offer you are not out of the game.

When now researching what the value can be I got very surprised founding these posts because I own the domain and I didn't post it.

Thanks guys for your opinion on the value of http://seo.net
I decided that I will try to sell it on sedo.com on an auction. I have not contacted sedo yet but I will do it soon. If I get something around these values you posted here I will just let it go. My mail is [email protected] if anyone wishes to contact me.

Add on to this post:
I didn't want to write a book about all details but I have to make this explanation here so you will get the whole picture, because there have been many comments on that:
The buyer said that he has to come anyway to my hometown, but when taking later it turned out that this was the only thing. When they were driving there were still details (conditions) that was discussed and added and changed to the contract and mailed back and forward. So there were no final commitment or decision on the deal. English is not my first language so please try to see the whole picture.

 

[sonix]

Im not upset.
Well, yes im upset I don't own SEO.net

 

[Mark]

#1 - "Math" applies to Everyone in the world ... Agreed with Snoop on the Value of this domain , as "SEO" only applies to those with Websites. Most everyone may end up on the web - But not all will have a need for SEO - All will need math ....

#2 - Verbal agreements are an agreement - And can hold up in court under certain cases .... Either way , It's bad ethics to back out of a deal no matter Where you are from.

 

[exponent]

Yes, absolutly. But what would you do? Would you sell?

I think if someone was willing to drive 500km for a domain that you can almost tell you're going to get ripped off by the fact that:

1.) Driving 500km takes hours.

2.) The nervous handshake would worry me too. After 500km, I'm dead tired, barely capable of moving.. I'm definitely not shaking / nervous.

An old man that I used to cut grass for once told me "Never trust a man in a shiney suit". It has payed off over and over for me. When he died, I found out that he formerly owned one of the largest producers of gravestone slabs in the US but you would never know it by the way he lived / acted. His judgment, while silly, seems to have validity to it. Sweaty palms and cheap suits = a bad deal every time.

 

[thetruman]

By my point of view i completely agree that the word given is extremely important in any business. However sonex said that they had a sort of verbal arrangement. Not being a professional domainer was not aware of the real value of his name. The other guy (with some bad faith I would add) RUSHED 500k to sign a deal hoping he didn t realized the fair value on time.
In fact I am sure he wouldn t even mention that the name would have been worth some XXXXX or more.
This was a sort of smart/foxy move but still questionable ethically.

 

[Kate]

Guys,
Let me make this clear once for all. There was no contract. If you read in English it says agreed on conditions which are not equal to agreed on the deal. If there was a contract then it's just to transfer the domain and money and that's all. Why to bother to sign any papers.
...

Well you fail to realize that the Namepros forum does not work like that. When you post 'SOLD' here, contract or not, you are expected to pay or you get bad TR in return (and ban for repeated violations).
I feel bad for the guy who drove 500Km for nothing. You should really do more research if you don't know what your assets are worth.
Now if you ever post 'SOLD' in one of my sales threads I will ask you to sign a contract in front of my lawyer and witnesses, failing that I will have to consider your commitment to be null and void

 

[sonix]

Well you fail to realize that the Namepros forum does not work like that. When you post 'SOLD' here, contract or not, you are expected to pay or you get bad TR in return (and ban for repeated violations).
I feel bad for the guy who drove 500Km for nothing. You should really do more research if you don't know what your assets are worth.
Now if you ever post 'SOLD' in one of my sales threads I will ask you to sign a contract in front of my lawyer and witnesses, failing that I will have to consider your commitment to be null and void

:hehe: :hehe: No problem. I will send you the paper contract first before posting 'SOLD'. Unfortunately I'm not planning to start any domaining business and the only domain for sale I have by accident is http://seo.net so you will have to live without my offers, hope that you survive :wave:

 

[sonix]

Well, whats your name?

Bruce Lee?

:hehe: :hehe:

No, Bruce Seo
:hehe: :hehe:

I think if someone was willing to drive 500km for a domain that you can almost tell you're going to get ripped off by the fact that:

1.) Driving 500km takes hours.

2.) The nervous handshake would worry me too. After 500km, I'm dead tired, barely capable of moving.. I'm definitely not shaking / nervous.

An old man that I used to cut grass for once told me "Never trust a man in a shiney suit". It has payed off over and over for me. When he died, I found out that he formerly owned one of the largest producers of gravestone slabs in the US but you would never know it by the way he lived / acted. His judgment, while silly, seems to have validity to it. Sweaty palms and cheap suits = a bad deal every time.

Nice story! Hope that he made you at least the president of his company

 

[Beachie]

Two dumbasses in one deal - what are the chances? :D

Seriously, habb was stupid for saying he owned it when he hadn't completed the deal and I, as a serious buyer, wouldn't deal with sonix based on this thread - Sonix,
maybe you should have researched BEFORE you got someone to drive 500kms to sign a deal. Doing research 2 minutes before the guy rocks up at your door just makes you a douchebag. Nothing more or less. In some jurisdictions you may be liable to complete the deal as agreed and even pay damages - an oral agreement is viewed a binding contract of sale and is enforceable. The fact that habb drove 500kms to seal the deal may be viewed by a court as evidence that he believed the terms were agreed upon. I'm not sure what email communication occured before the journey, but that may count against you strongly also. It's a dangerous game you're playing.

 

[sashas]

beachie...I've been wanting to ask you this for a long time...why the sad penguin?

 

[BitcoinDK]

I agree with those who say that it seems a verbal agreement was made here.

And in Denmark where I live, a verbal agreement is as good as a writen contract.

I cant see why some also blames habb??? its business! havent you ever been at a market where you try to find the best deal? If you have done your homework as a buyer, but the seller hasnt, then its not your faul and you dont have to feel guilty about anything IMO.

I bet you all have heard in the news about some one who bought an art picture in a market for a penny, and later found out that it was more value. So in your opinion should he/she go back to the seller and give him more money? hell no.

Thats how business are, havent you ever bought stocks? the seller sells for the price he/she thinks its fair, if the seller has not done his homework and sells it too low, then its his/hers lost.

Onces word is all a man got. once you loose it you never get it back. And I have noted your name sonix, so I dont ever make any deal with you.

Just my humble opinion.

Best regards

 

[Halobitt]

I cant see why some also blames habb??? its business!

Because Habb's business ethics seem to be as shaky as Sonix's. Example: lying to all Namepros members when he said:

YES! I own seo.net

when asked straight out by IntelBank.

"It's business" is a cop out imho. Just because people are in business doesn't mean that they have to stoop to low levels and underhand tactics to come out on top.

Why to meet and sign anything otherwise.

In days gone by I'm sure that a man's word was his bond and that was enough, but due to "businessmen" like yourself and Habb, contracts have become necessary.

So tell me Cyberian where is your REPUTATION now?
If you have any shame in you, you should apologize in both seo.net threats.

Cyberian's rep is above reproach, a stand up guy, with no need to apologize unless you can point us to a thread where he screwed someone over.

Your name ain't Sonix, your name (and Habb's) is mud (at least around here).


:td:

 

[jkennedy]

Wow. First time I saw this thread. All I can say is......
if i drove 500km for nothing I would have to :kickass:

 

[cjbay]

What Sonix doesnt understand is ethics. There is a code of ethics that we live by. well some of us anyways. Yes it's true the deal is not done until the papers are signed. But if the guy drove that far, there must have been a verbal agreement that you were going to sell the domain to him. A verbal agreement is just as binding as a written contract, although it can not be proven to exist as easily. Most court rooms would recognize a verbal agreement as a binding contract. He definitely did not drive that far just to look at your domain or test drive it. Even if you did not break TECHNICAL rules of business, you broke your word, and like others have said in this thread, your word is your bond. It's a code of ethics you broke and to most people, especially in business, that is just as important, if not more.

 

[Badger]

#1 - "Math" applies to Everyone in the world ... Agreed with Snoop on the Value of this domain , as "SEO" only applies to those with Websites. Most everyone may end up on the web - But not all will have a need for SEO - All will need math ....

#2 - Verbal agreements are an agreement - And can hold up in court under certain cases .... Either way , It's bad ethics to back out of a deal no matter Where you are from.

There you go.. Read it and weep people...

Math is still "math" even in the UK - "Im not good at maths" is not bad in English because both are simple abbreviations of mathematics.

The agreement in this seems complicated. Legally, verbal contracts, both in the UK and US, as mark points out, are binding. However, what needs to be assertained is "was the verbal agreement subject to terms as specified in the written agreement" or was the written agreement simply a ratification of the deal?

Case A, Habb has a legal remedy to acquire the domain at the terms verbally agreed upon, Case B, hes wasted 500miles of gas.

Being that this is no longer an "appraisal" thread, may I respectfully recommend this be moved to the legal section to allow our learned members there opportunity to comment?

 

[RezaS]

When I read through this thread I see not many people got any sense of decency these days... How can you even symphatise with sonix???

 

[Kate]

I'm still curious how the OP was going to sell something he does not own ? The whois points to a Swedish person.
Either we are dealing with a thief or a joker at best...

 

[snoop]

If an offer was accepted then legally it is very likely to be viewed as a contract by a court. Buying a can of coke, bidding at an auction, sending an email accepting a price, these are all examples of contacts being formed, "in paper" doesn't mean very much unless it was made clear at the time that that was a requirement (ie as opposed to after the fact when the seller found about the (false) rumors regarding the .com). Offer + acceptance = contract.