Seems poor that we have to rely on DomainTools whois History to defend our domains

[Lethal Squirrel]

Well, maybe not all of them. But if you have a domain that has historical whois records that you need to defend your case, then you seem to be pretty much reliant on DomainTools whois History as a source of evidence.

That maybe wouldn't be so bad if DomainTools wasn't charging $99 a month for access.

Credit to DomainTools, they seem to have cornered a market there, and can almost charge what they like, but it amazes me that ICANN have never been required to maintain a database of whois histories that can be referred back to as a source of evidence.

Is there any free alternatives to DomainTools whois History, and perhaps more to the point, SHOULD there be?

 

[biggie]

Hi

you don't have to pay, to see the date when a domain was created

which could determine who had which name, first.
if a dispute was about having a confusingly similar domain

imo....

 

[Lethal Squirrel]

Hi

you don't have to pay, to see the date when a domain was created

which could determine who had which name, first.
if a dispute was about having a confusingly similar domain

imo....

Don't think it's quite as simple as that. Domains get bought, sold, can have complex histories.

 

[dntaps]

https://www.whoxy.com/

You can see who owned the domain in the past. I am sure there is several alternatives.

What is the problem you are trying to solve? Is there a dispute?

 

[jberryhill]

I frequently find that information indispensable to a UDRP defense. Domainiq has somewhat comparable and sometimes different datasets.

Whenever I am asked to consult on a defense, I usually ask the registrant to do two things:

1. Tell me when, how and why they acquired the domain name, and

2. Send me the earliest evidence they have of that.

Things I have used include auction winning emails. If the person has a “congratulations you won” notice from an auction service, an email confirmation from a registrar, or the earliest renewal or transfer notice they can dig out of their email, those are always helpful.

But I will still supplement that with DomainTools data, because it comes from an objective third party source.

But if you keep all of your old email, then you have a wealth of evidence concerning your acquisition, renewal, or transfer of the name in the past.

Now, of course, it is less helpful if the email recipient doesn’t bear any discernible relation to the current respondent. So you have to supplement with some other evidence or a statement from the respondent that [email protected] is in fact the John Jones in Philadelphia who is the Respondent.

 

[Lethal Squirrel]

I frequently find that information indispensable to a UDRP defense. Domainiq has somewhat comparable and sometimes different datasets.

Whenever I am asked to consult on a defense, I usually ask the registrant to do two things:

1. Tell me when, how and why they acquired the domain name, and

2. Send me the earliest evidence they have of that.

Things I have used include auction winning emails. If the person has a “congratulations you won” notice from an auction service, an email confirmation from a registrar, or the earliest renewal or transfer notice they can dig out of their email, those are always helpful.

But I will still supplement that with DomainTools data, because it comes from an objective third party source.

But if you keep all of your old email, then you have a wealth of evidence concerning your acquisition, renewal, or transfer of the name in the past.

Now, of course, it is less helpful if the email recipient doesn’t bear any discernible relation to the current respondent. So you have to supplement with some other evidence or a statement from the respondent that is in fact the John Jones in Philadelphia who is the Respondent.

Domainiq. Didn't know about them. Thanks.

Always a good idea to take screen grabs of important emails, then, just in case you give your old email address up.

I almost signed up to DT for a month, as I figured it might be a worthwhile investment, until I was presented with a PayPal bill screen that didn't even have the price on. I had visions of being accidentally billed for a full year and having to fight to get it back. Never seen that before with PayPal. Not good. Anyway DT lost a sale out of it.

So I figured I could scrape by with some old records I had, but then some kindly soul came along to help me out with a DT screen grab or two.

 

[jberryhill]

So I figured I could scrape by with some old records I had, but then some kindly soul came along to help me out with a DT screen grab or two.

Oh.. lol... you're welcome.

 

[Lethal Squirrel]

Oh.. lol... you're welcome.