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[Keith]

@Jackson Elsegood
Regarding transaction 4532982 for CBDcity.com for $11,500...

The buyer took possession via push at godaddy and immediately requested that escrow cancel the deal. I’ve provided loads of email verification to escrow to show my position. Meanwhile they are asking me to work with the buyer to get the domain back.

I’ll need to be paid or I will take legal action. My suggestion is that escrow do a little homework to verify the account push. I’ve done too much business with you guys for you to put this back on me. The buyer is a scam artist and I won’t play games!

 

[forge]

@Eric Lyon is there a way to update the thread title to “resolved” and close the discussion? Thanks!

What about naming and shaming the apparent scammer? Most importantly, to hopefully prevent another scam/theft.

 

[BaileyUK]

What about naming and shaming the apparent scammer? Most importantly, to hopefully prevent another scam/theft.

If the transaction has now completed to Keiths satisfaction, that probably wouldn't be appropriate.. It reads to me as the Buyer had a change of mind regarding the initial purchase but, has now accepted/persuaded that it was too late in the transaction to back-out

 

[forge]

If the transaction has now completed to Keiths satisfaction, that probably wouldn't be appropriate.. It reads to me as the Buyer had a change of mind regarding the initial purchase but, has now accepted/persuaded that it was too late in the transaction to back-out

Yet they are still labeled a "thief" in the thread title. It seems to me such words are used loosely and freely far too often on this forum before the dust settles. Then all of a sudden everything is hunky dory. Just saying.

 

[BaileyUK]

I guess that depends on how you view the events at the time

off-subject
Had a tax office reminder of a substantial outstanding rebate due from last year (that I was well aware of) after making my claim 10 days ago, got a letter this morning saying No tax rebate is due. you wanna hear what I've been calling them all morning, So I'm taking 24 hours before I phone them

 

[Keith]

Yet they are still labeled a "thief" in the thread title. It seems to me such words are used loosely and freely far too often on this forum before the dust settles. Then all of a sudden everything is hunky dory. Just saying.

I didn’t give all the details but from my perspective it was an attempted theft. Hopefully the mods can update the title and we all move on.

 

[xynames]

The title here wasn’t warranted. This thread shouldn’t have even been created. We see these sorts of threads all the time.

There was apparently nothing wrong just took a bit for escrow.com to verify the transfer, which turns out they didn’t even need to verify because buyer clicked to accept the domain. In fact, OP mentions that buyer clicked to accept the domain. Did buyer ever claim that he did not receive the domain (after receiving it) or was he simply slow in clicking acceptance?

From the facts given here buyer was not a thief in the first place. Nor was escrow.com protecting a thief.

If there are facts to support this “thief” allegation let’s have them. I see none.

 

[Recons.Com]

The title here wasn’t warranted. This thread shouldn’t have even been created. We see these sorts of threads all the time.

There was apparently nothing wrong just took a bit for escrow.com to verify the transfer, which turns out they didn’t even need to verify because buyer clicked to accept the domain. In fact, OP mentions that buyer clicked to accept the domain. Did buyer ever claim that he did not receive the domain (after receiving it) or was he simply slow in clicking acceptance?

From the facts given here buyer was not a thief in the first place. Nor was escrow.com protecting a thief.

If there are facts to support this “thief” allegation let’s have them. I see none.

You did not play attention.

OP claims that the buyer received the name and then proceeded to cancel the transaction at escrow to get his money back. That is theft attempt.

 

[xynames]

I read that. But then OP said buyer clicked to accept domain. Why would buyer do both of those things. The facts don’t compute.

 

[Internet.Domains]

I read that. But then OP said buyer clicked to accept domain. Why would buyer do both of those things. The facts don’t compute.

Maybe the buyer was going to scam and then realized there was too much heat?
Just like a thief putting a candy bar in a coat pocket and realizing someone was watching, so they pull it out and pay for it.

 

[xynames]

Maybe the reason OP isn’t clarifying anything is because he made a mistake.

 

[Recons.Com]

I read that. But then OP said buyer clicked to accept domain. Why would buyer do both of those things. The facts don’t compute.

I believe "accepted domain" referred to his actions at the registrar. But then, instead of confirming the receipt at escrow, he tried to cancel the transaction. And escrow.com's reaction was most weird, proposing that the seller works it out with buyer. It is like a victim offered by police to work out his differences by perpetrator.

So, even if the the problem is resolved, escrow.com getting this thread as result is not undeserved.

 

[EbookLover]

Because most people are honest.

You have to consider the industry the domain targets and many other factors before assessing the trust level. If you can't assess the trust level, then use concierge service and stop trying to save a few dollars just because you want to believe "most people are honest" across the board.

That said, if true, Escrow.com was certainly wrong to put the burden on you to try to get your domain back if you followed protocol as a seller. But it is my guess they just want people to use concierge service if they want better security. Therefore if you don't, you're on your own. despite using Escrow for protection.

It is my belief that had you not tagged Escrow's contact here on NP and had you not created a clickbaity title, you may have not gotten any action. So I cannot blame you for that.

I have seen it time and time again on this and other forums. When you get nasty on a public venue, you get results from these companies that you may never get if you just keep silent and try to resolve things only using the tools they give you.

 

[xynames]

Until OP comes in and clarifies you’re all just running with incomplete facts. I stand by my assessment that neither buyer nor escrow.com were thieves here. I usually have a good sense for cutting through the noise.

The only action that mattered here in the end was that buyer clicked to accept. Buyer didn’t read this thread. So this thread had no effect or benefit other than needlessly calling an escrow company a thief protector.

Escrow.com is sometimes slow with action on some matters I agree but I see no evidence that they were thief protectors.

 

[Bob Hawkes]

It is like a victim offered by police to work out his differences by perpetrator.

A form of restorative justice. In society restorative justice is not without merit, although in this domain transaction seems not the right route, I agree!

 

[EbookLover]

Maybe the reason OP isn’t clarifying anything is because he made a mistake.

It's a possibility.

Until OP comes in and clarifies you’re all just running with incomplete facts

And you?

 

[xynames]

Let me repeat:

The only action that mattered here in the end was that buyer clicked to accept. Buyer didn’t read this thread. So this thread had no effect or benefit other than needlessly calling an escrow company a thief protector.

Escrow.com is sometimes slow with action on some matters I agree but I see no evidence that they were thief protectors. The title of this thread is flat out wrong.

 

[Keith]

I read that. But then OP said buyer clicked to accept domain. Why would buyer do both of those things. The facts don’t compute.

The buyer took possession of the domain and immediately tried to cancel at escrow. That is not good faith!

3 different agents at escrow asked me to work with the buyer to get the domain returned. That is not my job. I followed escrow instructions and pushed when prompted. The next step is to receive funds and nothing more.

The buyer also claimed that I hacked his account after pushing which is absurd. It wasn’t until this thread was created that escrow started to move quickly. I sent upwards of 10 emails to the buyer and support that showed the successful domain push.

Yes, the buyer accepted. It took numerous threats and lots of follow up communication from me/escrow to make that happen. Honest people don’t operate that way in business, or life for that matter!

Also, they took the scammers side by asking me to get the domain back. That’s not my job. It’s escrows job to do their homework and disburse funds at this stage of a deal.

 

[EbookLover]

The only action that mattered here in the end was that buyer clicked to accept

OP never said that. And it is quite clear...

The buyer took possession via push at godaddy and immediately requested that escrow cancel the deal.

The buyer just accepted the merchandise so it’s a done deal.

OP only has a few short posts in this thread. It's easy to go back and re-read them. You saw the word "accept" and assumed that meant "accepted via Escrow UI".

Maybe OP could have used better wording. Maybe. But, still, it was clear to me. At least I assumed "accept" meant acceptance of merchandise only, not accept via Escrow UI.

 

[xynames]

What I meant was, is that buyer clicked to accept the domain. That’s unequivocable.

Why he did it (clicked to accept) had nothing to do with this thread here. Buyer never saw this thread.

And escrow.com was not protecting a thief.

Buyer’s funds were in the account so he knew he couldn’t end up with both funds and the domain. There’s got to be more to this story.

 

[hawkeye]

Maybe OP could have used better wording. Maybe. But, still, it was clear to me.

And to everyone else.