Religious Question.

[Humdizzy]

I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone.

In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good.

My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good.

Second question is

I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me.

 

[.X.]

Well ..Hmm...Ok...Lets bridge the gap so to speak...In whom or whatever it is you worship,No matter what it is,,Believe and worship that.That's what freedom of religion is all about,Hummer if you would have just picked up a BIBLE and made an effort,,This thread would never had started in the first place,If your referring to GOD and CHRIST,,Then that's all you had to do to begin with.

 

[Sabre]

Well ..Hmm...Ok...Lets bridge the gap so to speak...In whom or whatever it is you worship,No matter what it is,,Believe and worship that.That's what freedom of religion is all about,Hummer if you would have just picked up a BIBLE and made an effort,,This thread would never had started in the first place,If your referring to GOD and CHRIST,,Then that's all you had to do to begin with.

I dont see why anyone should be anti - christian, as that is like saying, because you like something that others dont like, its wrong... its like a trend... hmph... i hate trends... :red:

 

[.X.]

Hum, don't sweat it. You have to realise bro.. the Anti Christian people are vile and have absolutely no respect for those of faith..at least the Christian faith.

it all comes back around though.. respect is a two way street. If they don't feel we deserve respect, trust me.. it will lead only to them being humiliated on this topic.

Well said Lee

I dont see why anyone should be anti - christian, as that is like saying, because you like something that others dont like, its wrong... its like a trend... hmph... i hate trends... :red:

Thing is Tom,,This a useless topic imo,,Iam a christian,If others don't want to be,Then so be it,Go pratice whatever it is that they practice,,So imo,,What good is this topic anyway?? Iam a christian,I have taken CHRIST as my LORD and SAVIOR,,If someone wants to believe in a fricken barbie doll as thier god,,So be it...Iam not the one that will judging on judgemnet day..So how is thread in any way shape or form,Imformative or otherwise to anyone involved???

 

[Humdizzy]

Well ..Hmm...Ok...Lets bridge the gap so to speak...In whom or whatever it is you worship,No matter what it is,,Believe and worship that.That's what freedom of religion is all about,Hummer if you would have just picked up a BIBLE and made an effort,,This thread would never had started in the first place,If your referring to GOD and CHRIST,,Then that's all you had to do to begin with.

I have picked up the Bible and read it as in religion class we have to to pass the class, but it doesn't answer my questions. Is there a Q & A in the back that I am missing? In the bible it says God created all things good. Thats it. No detailed line of why or how. (just an example). Maybe someone that is at a higher grade than me and takes Bible studies to analyze the Bible more than we do in my religion class can help me. Maybe I think its easier to ask a question and have someone who already knows the answer answer my question. Instead of getting out the magnifying glass and decoder to answer my questions.

 

[LeeRyder]

OK, firstly.. you have to remember the Bible isn't a "how too" book or an autobiography
It's a love letter to you, from God.

As I've noted, the "technical details" are there if you know what to look for, and you needed to look hard.. but you must look in with the correct tools. Namely Hebrew, Aramaic, Greek and Chaldese... the tongues it was originally written in... to fully be able to grasp to context of the underlying features of the words, names etc.

another example would be (thats actually on the surface somewhat) to look at the names in the geneology in Genesis. The names of the men there actually detail every book for the Bible, in short hand (if you will).. with their meaning (the meaning of the names that is).

Another important..vastly important.. thing to remember is that, no where in the Bible can you find the page where it outlines..say.. how to baptise someone. It's in there, but it is throughout the Bible... in this way, even if a page was to be torn out of the Bible, the Bible itself would remain intact as per it's message, directives.. et al.
it's in that thought that when you hear someone say the Bible is written in "code", this is what they mean.

But again, you dont need a magnifying glass to read the Bible or get it's message... so long as the message you seek is not predisposed on your mind to have a relative answer only to coincide with what you think the answer should be.

Lastly, I want to reaffirm to you that you need to read the Bible, on it's surface and it's purpouse.. as a Love Letter to you. Imperative

 

[suthra]

father, the son (jesus) and the Holy spirit are God.

The seperate individuals,but they in essence work as one..they think one..and they accomplish one thing.

example, the sun - heat,fire,brightness - all 3 cannot be seperated,because
seperating it would not make it the sun anymore..


this is actually a very,very broad topic than can't be answered in one thread..let alone one post!.

so i'm just going to stop here at the moment..

Thanks for your time SE .

 

[CrazyTech]

And you know this how? What exactly do you have to back that statement up with?

Faith.

Some have it - others don't. I can assure you that there is no scientific way to prove there is no God either, so we're in the same boat. You either choose to believe or choose not to believe. I choose to believe this way because of my life and the events in it. You choose not to believe because you're looking for the tactile and the plausible. I respect that and I hope you would do the same.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Ewomack and Sabre great write up guys...finally this thread ha spicked up some. It's always good to have discussions on topics like these it's a great way to see how the other people see things. I have noticed that alot and I'm not saying all christians but alot of them are set in there ways and refuse to look at things in any other way, what they tell you is it and anything else is wrong...they can be down right vicous and very mean...same goes for other religions but in my experience mostly Christians. What interests me about this subject is there are so many different angles you can look at this and like mentioned above nobody really knows the 100% truth. Were we created by a supreme being, are we a computer virus or program..are we Sims...are we some experiment..or do we just exist because we just exist...I had a thought that maybe somehow our race of human beings originated from another planet in the Universe and we were dropped off because we were the low class maybe retarded/slow beings of that planet and they just dumped us off or maybe we were prisoners and they had a population problem and dumped them on Earth to wash their hands of our kind..all sorts of things to think about. Hell a Egyptian myth was that the highest GOD made love to his hand and created the universe....lol so many ways to look at it

DNTycoon, please explain how Austrian monks stumbled accross the big bang in the old testament in the 11th century.

Refresh my memory man give me a reference from the old testament..also I assum you are talking about the "big bang" AKA the Big Bang Theory...and from what I know that is credited to Georges le maitre a Belgium man who was born waaaaaaaay after the 11th century although you can go back to 1915-1916 and look at Albert Einstein.

 

[CrazyTech]

I have noticed that alot and I'm not saying all christians but alot of them are set in there ways and refuse to look at things in any other way, what they tell you is it and anything else is wrong...

That's the pot calling the kettle black here. I'm not about to turn this into some sort of insult laden thread like it's heading to but I had to say something here. You're just as set in your ways as Christians are in theirs. Personally I believe it's a good thing to strongly believe in something - you can be open minded without agreeing with what everyone says. Perhaps if you showed respect equally for all beliefs then you wouldn't have this problem. Afterall, you did jump in on this thread asking questions about Christianity and not whether or not you believe.

Don't get me wrong here, there's nothing wrong with a good discussion. However, you are exactly as stubborn as we are on the topic.

 

[LeeRyder]

Refresh my memory man give me a reference from the old testament..also I assum you are talking about the "big bang" AKA the Big Bang Theory...and from what I know that is credited to Georges le maitre a Belgium man who was born waaaaaaaay after the 11th century although you can go back to 1915-1916 and look at Albert Einstein

You can use google.

And yes, it was the 11th century, in austria..by austrian monks.

look it up

 

[DN Tycoon]

That's the pot calling the kettle black here. I'm not about to turn this into some sort of insult laden thread like it's heading to but I had to say something here. You're just as set in your ways as Christians are in theirs. Personally I believe it's a good thing to strongly believe in something - you can be open minded without agreeing with what everyone says. Perhaps if you showed respect equally for all beliefs then you wouldn't have this problem. Afterall, you did jump in on this thread asking questions about Christianity and not whether or not you believe.

Don't get me wrong here, there's nothing wrong with a good discussion. However, you are exactly as stubborn as we are on the topic.

Exactly how am I stubborn...I have not outed any possiblilities as to what the truth is or put down anyones beliefs or ideals...my post are my opinions and experiences...I try to extract other peoples thoughts and theories through discussion, I don;t attack people as I have been attacked in this thread for laying out my opinions...in fact I lay across most religions and have studied and had many discussions on them all...I have never been set in my ways and have always been open minded never just thinking it's one way and one way only...I said most Christians are set in their ways and think they are right and anything else is wrong...from my experiences. I never said it was not good or bad to believe in something you need to read all my posts....I am not stubborn in this topic..so far I have been attacked twice for doing nothing but posting my opions, thoughts and questions.....I think maybe you need to step back read the whole thread and realize you are out of place..

You can use google.

And yes, it was the 11th century, in austria..by austrian monks.

look it up

Yes I can use Google....but I am asking you directly for a reference to this

 

[LeeRyder]

no offense tycoon, but your type proliferate on the web. I've done it before and have learned one very very simple truth...

you only appreciatte what you find yourself. Nothing I say or do would be adequate for you... and I can garauntee your last words in this thread would be along the lines of you "just not believing it".. no matter what I show you.

so seek it out, investigate it... and bask in your new found knowledge.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Thing is Tom,,This a useless topic imo,,Iam a christian,If others don't want to be,Then so be it,Go pratice whatever it is that they practice,,So imo,,What good is this topic anyway?? Iam a christian,I have taken CHRIST as my LORD and SAVIOR,,If someone wants to believe in a fricken barbie doll as thier god,,So be it...Iam not the one that will judging on judgemnet day..So how is thread in any way shape or form,Imformative or otherwise to anyone involved???

You are asking how a discussion is infomative? Well not everybody is keen to all aspects of religion and the theories of the universe and it's creation. I do know alot about the different types of religions, the history and the universe but still I do not know everything so by having a discussion I might learn something new and maybe even see things in another view or vice versa which to me is great if I just learn one thing then it's al worth it. In talk we learn and move on in silence we stand still...

no offense tycoon, but your type proliferate on the web. I've done it before and have learned one very very simple truth...

you only appreciatte what you find yourself. Nothing I say or do would be adequate for you... and I can garauntee your last words in this thread would be along the lines of you "just not believing it".. no matter what I show you.

so seek it out, investigate it... and bask in your new found knowledge.

My type? Sorry man but we barely know each other for you to be labeling me...I am here to learn and to maybe teach...you are way off the track man...also why have you not given me a reference yet? If you post something in a discussion and anothe person asks you to refrence it, it is common curtisy to provide something to help that person understand what you are trying to get across. You guys are so quick to label someone...is it impossible for the people on this forum just to discuss something without attacking each other or labeling....you talk as if you know me saying you can guarentee that my last words would be "just not believing it" you are sadley mistaken man....It's a shame that people have to be like that..but I guess that's part of life..ignorance is bliss as they say

 

[LeeRyder]

My type? Sorry man but we barely know each other for you to be labeling me

Oh really? Seems you've made your own bed, dont be upset if i force you to lay in it. ie:

Again some more mumbo jumbo

I did not call you any names or make fun of your beliefs did I?

btw, yes. calling someones beliefs "mumbo jumbo" is making fun of someone's beliefs.

being a man of GOD you are pretty defensive I figured you would be more confident in your words...

A very loaded statement, and intentionally so. Dont be so passive aggressive, it's really unbecoming

Read the post and you shall see who the open minded person is...you are not the open minded person as you can't even wrap your head around another persons opinion without getting defensive and crying about it

or by calling your beliefs mumbo jumbo? would that be a good example?

Think before you post...

Words you should heed tycoon

....you are in the box my friend I am the guy outside of it looking in....

really now? please, do try to explain away the Hopefull Monster theory (hint: its a major tenet of evolution)

"Word to your mother"

Quiant.

Some words from "My Father"...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, Jesus.. so that all may have everlasting life."

 

[webworksfirst]

I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone.

In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good.

My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good.

Yes, God created everything for the man to live in peacefully and happily.
There is a story that there is one angel who always disobey God and lead the evil way and that is Satan, he wants to rule and wants the throne of God.

Second question is

I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me.

man has a free will in everything. Man is not contented of what he has so he do evil things. God did not planned man to be bad.

hope you got what you want to know and understand on your own.

Can i ask you a question? Do you believe in God or you do have doubt to Him?

be glad that you are alive and has what you have in life :hehe:

 

[DN Tycoon]

Oh really? Seems you've made your own bed, dont be upset if i force you to lay in it. ie:




btw, yes. calling someones beliefs "mumbo jumbo" is making fun of someone's beliefs.


A very loaded statement, and intentionally so. Dont be so passive aggressive, it's really unbecoming



or by calling your beliefs mumbo jumbo? would that be a good example?



Words you should heed tycoon



really now? please, do try to explain away the Hopefull Monster theory (hint: its a major tenet of evolution)



Quiant.

Some words from "My Father"...

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son, Jesus.. so that all may have everlasting life."

Attack all you want...again no reference from you go figure...me saying something is mumbo jumbo is my opinion as I am entitled to it...you labeling me is disrespectful and so is the others who have attacked me...I wash my hands of this nonsense...the only thing I have learned from this thread is not to have discussion that do not involve domain names and related topics as this if definatly not the forum to have a good discussion on unrelated topics...This is my last post in this thread and any unrelated DN threads on this forum...have fun and thanks for the lesson

 

[LeeRyder]

pitty you couldnt be bothered to go out of your way for something "you wanted an answer too".

but again, I do know your type and it is no surprise.

See, the issue I truly have is, through all that I could post or sayor prove or share.... you would never bow your knee and give your heart to the God who gave everything...

 

[primacomputer]

First off good write up, second this last paragraph has caught my attention. How exactly do you know all of this is true? You speak as if you were there during the seven days. Ever notice how GOD was so active back in History but not a peep from him/her/it in modern day? If I ask GOD to give me a sign that he exists would he show me? You believe what others have told you about GOD with no proof just words, books and preachers, the greatest trick ever played on man was religion it's popularity has remained strong because of word of mouth...husband and wife believe in GOD have children then expose them to GOD..what else is a kid to think? Are we programmed at an early age to conform to the religious ideas of GOD? Another thing that has kept religion so popular is threats, death and being looked down upon for not believing in GOD or believing in other religions...You don't believe in GOD then you are a sinner...you sinned you are going to Hell....this is a sin and that is a sin...the devil is inside him....putting the fear into man to make them believe in GOD. Not to mention that the Bible degrades women..tells us people lived to be 900 years old...fathers and mothers could have all the men of the town stone their son to death if he does not listen to what they tell him to do....a man can have two wives..animal sacrafices fo unsolved murders....it says also that when going into war with your enemies don't be afraid because the LORD will be with you...well would the LORD not also be with the enemies as well?...you are not suppose to eat pigs because they are unclean and they don't chew their own cud...the LORD tells us to destroy every other religion and their temples, alters, idols and so forth...the Bible teaches us to kill some sinners to purge the evil out....so seeing how these are the commands of the LORD and it says in the Bible that they must be followed I assume you all follow these right?

Well, you would assume wrong. This is mainly because you started off on a false pretence that I “believe what others have told you about GOD with no proof just words, books and preachers”. If this were true then (due to my Christian upbringing) I would believe that Sunday 0:00 was the start of the Sabbath, rather than acknowledge the millennia old Hebrew tradition of observing it from dusk till dusk starting on Friday.

I have studied a number of religions. I don't mean attending a few services or reading a few books, but critically studying the documents at school. I think trying to discern what someone believes from a few paragraphs is about as futile as a man trying to “understand” God.

OK, firstly.. you have to remember the Bible isn't a "how too" book or an autobiography
It's a love letter to you, from God.

Your half right, maybe a bit less. A large part of the new testament is just what you describe. A large part of the old testament, however, is a how-to manual or list of genealogy. Numbers is probably the longest HOW-TO I have ever read.

father, the son (jesus) and the Holy spirit are God.

The seperate individuals,but they in essence work as one..they think one..and they accomplish one thing.

What a weird concept. I wonder how someone two thousand years ago could relate to something like this. An all powerful being, or group of beings, that can think as one and act as one, and create a universe in the blink of an eye (or seven days if you insist). I guess you'd think about them as a traditional governmental unit – a father and a son, with some sort of spirit that could deal with the ethereal tasks.

I could well imagine that if God chose to pen his how-to/biography/love-letter today, through someone in today's culture, the Godhead would be a mini Borg collective. You'd have 1 of 3 “The Father”, primary adjunct of unimatrix JHV1, 2 of 3 “The Son”, secondary adjunct of unimatrix JHV1, and 3 of 3 “The Holy Spirit”, tertiary adjunct on unimatrix JHV1 or perhaps unimatrix JHV1 itself.

As silly as it sounds, it is probably just as close to any reality as the father/son/spirit thing. The thing is that beings who are so awesomely powerful that they can create a universe are bound to have job titles, or even names that a human could not even pronounce, let alone comprehend.

 

[suthra]

Ok, I am bumping. I love religious threads

 

[CrazyTech]

Exactly how am I stubborn...I have not outed any possiblilities as to what the truth is or put down anyones beliefs or ideals...my post are my opinions and experiences...I try to extract other peoples thoughts and theories through discussion, I don;t attack people as I have been attacked in this thread for laying out my opinions...in fact I lay across most religions and have studied and had many discussions on them all...I have never been set in my ways and have always been open minded never just thinking it's one way and one way only...I said most Christians are set in their ways and think they are right and anything else is wrong...from my experiences. I never said it was not good or bad to believe in something you need to read all my posts....I am not stubborn in this topic..so far I have been attacked twice for doing nothing but posting my opions, thoughts and questions.....I think maybe you need to step back read the whole thread and realize you are out of place..

So calling someone's beliefs mumbo jumbo doesn't qualify as an insult?

What you believe is crap.

How does that feel? That's what you've told myself and other in this thread.

*Note here...I'm doing this solely to get a point across.*

I still stand by my posts. You cannot criticize someone for what you yourself do. I respect that you have an opinion on the matter although I don't agree with it.

I have to sit back and laugh though. You come into this thread opening up with your opinion on how it all should be and then get mad when everyone doesn't agree with you. It's one thing to hold a discussion on religion - it's an entirely different thing when you start calling what others believe mumbo jumbo. Open minded?