Religious Question.

[Humdizzy]

I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone.

In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good.

My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good.

Second question is

I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me.

 

[LeeRyder]

and so quick to question or blame God (or his very existence) for the 'bad' things

lol.. and you had "Damn You LeeRyder" under your name!

cursing god.. now tisk tisk :P

I kid I kid!! :D

 

[Humdizzy]

Lol Since the topic is still going. Who created God? Lol My one theory is that we are Sims and God is a Sims addict. So maybe God is living in a world similar to ours and someone created him and then those people are Sim players also. So its like a giant chain of Sim addicts. lol A joke theory.

 

[Dave_Z]

Nothing wrong asking questions of this sort, Humdizzy. Even those going to
Bible studies continually ask questions anyway.

It's also interesting to note: Monday is the only day that God did not declare as "Good"; Coincidence?

No wonder Garfield hates Mondays.

 

[jstep]

God can not simply destroy the Devil because that would be a sin

 

[DN Tycoon]

Man created GOD....just like man created Hercules and Mount Olympus...just like man created Isis and so on and so forth...the Bible is nothing more than a book of stories with morals (and GOD said "let their be lightand there was" so are we to believe that before GOD created man there was someone there to witness GOD saying "let their be light"? the answer is no...it's a story coming from a man's mind. The Bible itself is a collection of stories written by many people and collected in one book. In history religion was a way of controlling the masses keeping order if you will by scaring them into thinking GOD is going to strike you down if you sin and so on. You have to understand that back in the day of Christ, prophets existed to spread the word of their religion and at that time religion was spreading fast because the prophets traveled across the lands to spread the message. Religion is a nasty beast that has many forms and has been used in history to manipulate the truth, start wars, kill people, help people and many other things. Religion has helped alot of people as it gives them hope that they are not alone and that someone is watching over them protecting them...it's called false sense of security...the mind is a powerful thing. Throughout history there has been no proof of GOD and yet people still believe in him/her/it the entity...why is this...maybe because it's gained such popularity throughout time that it's momentum is unstoppable..why do some people believe in GOD but not in Aliens? IMO it is easier believe that other civilizations exist in the universe besides our own then that GOD exists and created everything and everyhting good. Hell in the Bible it says Adam named his wife Eve and they layed down together and had Cain and Able and later it says Cain layed down with his wife...would this not mean it is his sister he layed down with? In the Bible it says Adam lived 930 years...and Seth his son lived 912 years and his son Enosh lived 905 years and his son Kenan lived 910 years and so on and so forth...also they had children in their 70's 80's and 90's....that's pretty impressive. Then GOD said man shall live only 120 years...You ask why doesn't GOD just get rid of the devil...and someone answered because GOD killing the devil is a sin....what do you call GOD saying "I will wipe mankind, whom I created from the face of trhe earth" because GOD was grieved that man had become so evil....all this from the first 5 pages of Genesis...it also says somewher ein the Bible that in war a man can just take any women he wants and make her his wife..hmmm think that will fly nowadays even though it is GOD's word?

 

[jstep]

Yes, I knew someone would say that

But man must be tempted in life to prove themselves

 

[Humdizzy]

Forget it. This will go on forever.

 

[DN Tycoon]

Like anything in life take it for what it's worth...there is nothign wrong with believing in GOD or what the Bible says but you should also not go blindly to the light. There is no proof that GOD exists except the word of man...How was the universe created...who knows that is beyond our scope of thinking...if GOD created the universe what is the deal with the extra planets..did GOD mess up the other ones..but wait GOD does not mees up does he...the almighty one? How come some people believe in more than one GOD? IMO these things come about because like I said it's just to big for us to wrap around our heads of how the universe was created...a sinple thing to believe is GOD created it....but who created GOD and who created the one who created GOD and so on and so forth..also the Big bang theory saying a big explosion made the universe..what caused the big explosion since you can't make something from nothing...and what made the thing that caused the explosion...my point is in order to explain things back in the day people had a theory for this and that..

Forget it. This will go on forever.

Maybe but I am interested in hearing other people opinions...discussions are a great way to express your views and learn new things and maybe even see things in from another side.

 

[se]

In reply to your first post Humdizzy


1. Why create the devil?:

God didn't create the devil, if you study the bible a little deeper, you will
realize that God created an angel known as Lucifer.
he was on of the highest ranking angels in heaven at that time,
some biblical scholar believes he was the "worship leader"
of heaven.

In the bible it says that he (Lucifer) was created perfect,until one day,
when in his heart he said he wanted to be like the Most High (God).
That was his mistake!..god created him perfect,but with his own free will/choice
he chose to be something he was not created to be, a rebel.

so in really short reply..that's how the devil came into existence.



2. Why did God allow eve to eat the fruit?:

*note* "fruit", The bible did not mention what fruit it was..although many people
tend to bellieve that it was an "apple". But in order to be accurate and stay in line
with the Bible..."fruit" is enough...cause there's no mention of apple..,
what fruit was it?....i don't know...Only God know...He likes to keep certain things secret ,read Deutronomy 29:29.

Back to eve, again it was choice....can u imagine it!!!..God..saw that eve was
going to take the fruit, and He already warned them not to eat of it, But yet
He stood by his word,His principles...and allowed her to eat it..even though
ealier He said the would "die" ( die -according to the greek translation means die in the spirit,being cut off from communicating with God, and not physical death).


a little off track...even Jesus had to choose,before he went to the cross..
so it all boils down to choice.

:D

 

[LeeRyder]

DNtycoon.

Not addressing all your statements/comments/feelings for lack of time, But I'll quote Penrose.. a leading cosmologist and aethiest:

"It seems as though the entire Universe is nothing more than a passing thought in the Mind of God."

Now, go read Hebrews 11:3:

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Once you can understand this one, then a light will be illuminated (imo) that there is much more to the Bible than what is on the surface.
it's this one verse that lead me down the perverbial rabbit hole

 

[DN Tycoon]

Ok, but what exactly does that tell me Lee? The Bible was written by men in a time when people where afraid of there own shadows. Words from prophets who went around in competition trying to be the best well know prophet. Most of the world used to be Pagens until a nieve king spun his kingdom from Pagens to Catholics because he thought that was the way the world was going...influences are the biggest things that have molded and shaped religion. The Catholic church has done it's best to hold down the truth over the past centuries...

 

[Humdizzy]

So Our loving God that could of done everything to keep the world sin free didn't just to keep his word even though his word means billions of people suffering throught time.

 

[LeeRyder]

but what exactly does that tell me Lee

Tha's what you need to figure out DNT

Most of the world used to be Pagens until a nieve king spun his kingdom from Pagens to Catholics because he thought that was the way the world was going

Thats a statement not based on fact, but opinion.
Christians we're very much still a minority and being persecuted when the "king went catholic" lol.

The Catholic church has done it's best to hold down the truth over the past centuries...

oh conspiracies :D
One second while I grab my tin foil cap..

ok, got it.. now, do tell

So Our loving God that could of done everything to keep the world sin free didn't just to keep his word even though his word means billions of people suffering throught time.

interesting thought process there.
by they token, yor parents should have had an abortion so you would have never felt pain? or anguish? or in the event you turn out to be the next hitler?

freedom has a cost, and blaming God for the faults of man seems a bit shallow and without though imo.
shouldnt we just blame everynes parents and be done with it?

Aside from that, I've never seen any creature..man or otherwise that wouldnt struggle to stay alive when mortality is thrust in it's face...

have you?

 

[CrazyTech]

Actually, in the end, satan will be destroyed. God's purpose in leaving him IMHO isn't exactly clear to us but most likely because it fits his plan to see who believes in Him and who doesn't. The devil can only do what God allows - but he already knows what he'll do.
It's a difficult concept to grasp, but God gives us free will to make the choices. However, he already knows the choices we make even before we do. He knew them at the beginning of time.

That's what turns people off from religion. If you're going to be open to God then you must acknowledge he's both more powerful and far more intelligent than you. You cannot limit Him to man's thinking. His purpose might now always be clear, but it's there and you'll know it all in time. It's your choice to agree with or not.

 

[.X.]

Hummer if you will just open that book "The BIBLE" All of your questions will be answered.Everything your asking is in the "BIBLE".

 

[Humdizzy]

Hummer if you will just open that book "The BIBLE" All of your questions will be answered.Everything your asking is in the "BIBLE".

I just have some really deep questions that the Bible doesnt really answer. I just think the Bible is somewhat unfinished. I mean that by not enough details.

Maybe God does work in very mysterious ways who knows. Maybe It's my sim theory because I know I love to see my Sims in pain. (Off Topic) Once I deleted all the bathrooms in the house and had my Sim drink and Drink untill he had to pee so bad and I wouldn't let him go. Lol that was funny.
My questions are done. Thanks everyone.

 

[LeeRyder]

it's not the Bible thats unfinished, it's your (and mine, and X's..etc) understanding of it that is incomplete.

honestly, if you think about what I've said here and my very in depth multi-year study of genesis 1.. you can see for yourself that you havent even scratched the surface.

 

[.X.]

Well said lee. The BIBLE is complete,If you are searching for answers that are not in the BIBLE then just wasting your time,Because if it's not there,Then it is not meant for to know,And only meant for you to find out.The absolute best advise i can possible give you is,Go to a good BIBLE based church,Attend BIBLE study,And this will definatly clear your mind of these questions you have.

 

[DN Tycoon]

So many twists and turns..I fail to see the facts here as usual when I ponit things out in religion they never get addressed I just get quotes from the Bible and crazy answers...You say GOD said this and GOD wants this and GOD does this...people who talk and worship satan are considered crazy people but people who talk to and worship GOD are normal? If GODS exists where is the proof? I see mumbo jumbo but no convincing arguments....put down some details people let's get some facts in this discussion.

If you're going to be open to God then you must acknowledge he's both more powerful and far more intelligent than you.

And you know this how? What exactly do you have to back that statement up with?

oh conspiracies
One second while I grab my tin foil cap..

ok, got it.. now, do tell

It's already been proven that the Catholic church lied and doctered papers throught history, for someone who claims to be knowledgeable about this subject you are slacking here my friend.

 

[suthra]

god never plans. To plan, one needs to think.

But according to hinduism,
god is extreme, he is apart from thinking. He is found everywhere, even in particles smaller than atoms.

As per hinduism:
To know god, one needs to know himself., To know himself , One should remain silent (meditate>yoga)
which created buddha.