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I know this is a sensitive topic, but I must ask someone.

In religion class I have been taught that God created everything and he created everything good.

My question is. How was the devil created and why is he not good if God created everything and everything good.

Second question is

I was also taught God planned everything. So God planned for people to do bad? Also he planned for Eve to eat the apple?

Those were just two questions I keep asking myself over and over again. I even asked my religion teacher and her answers dont answer anything. She just makes up something that comes to her head. I would be glad if someone could answer or clearify things for me.
 
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This is actually one of the better threads I have seen about religion.

DN Tycoon you expressed yourself well. You touched on many things I believe and thought about. I don't agree on your Catholic Church statement although for many and various reasons. Creation and the big bang theory are both hard for me to believe. This is a hard and complicated topic. There is so many different opinions and point of views. It is very interesting. :p I do think there are some answers to deep questions that we will never know. Thats life. :laugh:
 
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DN Tycoon said:
How come some people believe in more than one GOD?

:)

There is no more than one god. God is one, he blesses in the form in which people pray.

Even though god does not have a form, People named him as "allah", "Krsna" etc.,
 
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My "religious views"... summed up in a few sentences.

For me, it's not a matter of 'believing' in God. I know God is real. There is no doubt. I know him in my everyday life and I know him in everything I do. But I'm not going to force my beliefs on you, or any other man. I don't even talk about the subject often. I don't have all the answers, but I'm not worried.

And for those who don't believe in 'God', or a 'creator', a 'higher being'... that's ok. He believes in you!
 
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i have one doubt., This is not bashing or something else. But i just need an answer.

Why christians pray., Father, Jesus, and the holy spirit?

WHo is powerful in these three? and i see every christian prays jesus.

If iam wrong, Pls correct me with some answers.
 
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Humdizzy said:
Lol Since the topic is still going. Who created God? Lol My one theory is that we are Sims and God is a Sims addict. So maybe God is living in a world similar to ours and someone created him and then those people are Sim players also. So its like a giant chain of Sim addicts. lol A joke theory.
This may sound silly, but it is actually one of the more plausible explanations. There was a nice paper published on this a year or so back. Basically the premise is that at some point a technological society will develop a computer that can emulate an entire universe. It has also been proven than an emulator can run within another copy of itself, so it would stand to reason that in one of these simulated another technological society would develop that would also develop the ability to simulate a universe. And so on, and so on. The paper concluded that the probability of us being some sort of “software” running in a simulated universe was quite high.

A lot of religious people don’t like this because it “degrades” God to a hyper evolved geek. Personally I don’t have a problem with it. In fact I quite like it. It doesn’t contradict any science, or really any religion for that matter. You can have an all knowing God, who can simulate our entire universe in a fraction of a “God Second” to see what happens. So of course he knows what’s going to happen. He’s run the simulation countless times. You can have an omnipotent God. He can run the simulation with any parameters he wants. If he needs to violate a law of physics he simply pauses, removes the law, does his work, pauses, reinstates the law, and resumes. No laws are ever violated and he can do anything he wants.

And this ties in well with Lees stuff about Quantum Physics. At this level the Universe is composed of numbers and formulas, not solids, gasses, and liquids. Things do not exist in a specific place, but rather have a formula that defines the probability of them being in a place at any given time. If I were writing a universe emulator I would definitely have some sort of abstraction layer that would keep the simulation running in some sort of sandbox controlled by outside functions which could not be accessed or perhaps even discerned. And then of course you have Planks constant, the smallest unit of energy. It’s not the smallest we can measure. I there were anything smaller we could measure it, there’s just nothing smaller. And why is it 6.626176 x 10-34? Because that’s the FPU resolution on the CPU in Gods Game Boy.

Of course this is the only way I, as a humble barely sentient programmer, can possibly relate to a being so phenomenally advanced. No doubt he doesn’t actually have a Game Boy, he has/is something that the greatest human minds of a million years in the future may just be able to dream (if you could still call them human by then). Of course, If I were an ancient Egyptian farmer I’d probably see God as a bunch of animals that ran the sun, seasons, and weather. The only difference is that I realize that I have no chance of ever coming close to understanding what God is, why He/She/It does what He/She/It does, no matter how many books I read, or how hard I pray, meditate, or sacrifice virgins to volcanoes.

I would also like to point out a few points about this seventh day thing. First, God did a lot of creating. Some people say he even created things twice, although I don’t buy it. He started on day one, finished on the seventh day and then rested. Genesis doesn’t make it clear how far into the seventh day he worked but it clearly states that he did not finish at the end of the sixth day, he finished on the seventh day. This makes perfect sense because the Sabbath starts at sunset on Friday. What? How do I know this? Because Jesus told me. He observed the Sabbath starting on Friday at sunset. Jesus was, after all, a Jew.
 
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I would also like to point out a few points about this seventh day thing. First, God did a lot of creating. Some people say he even created things twice, although I don’t buy it. He started on day one, finished on the seventh day and then rested. Genesis doesn’t make it clear how far into the seventh day he worked but it clearly states that he did not finish at the end of the sixth day, he finished on the seventh day. This makes perfect sense because the Sabbath starts at sunset on Friday. What? How do I know this? Because Jesus told me.[/b He observed the Sabbath starting on Friday at sunset. Jesus was, after all, a Jew.


First off good write up, second this last paragraph has caught my attention. How exactly do you know all of this is true? You speak as if you were there during the seven days. Ever notice how GOD was so active back in History but not a peep from him/her/it in modern day? If I ask GOD to give me a sign that he exists would he show me? You believe what others have told you about GOD with no proof just words, books and preachers, the greatest trick ever played on man was religion it's popularity has remained strong because of word of mouth...husband and wife believe in GOD have children then expose them to GOD..what else is a kid to think? Are we programmed at an early age to conform to the religious ideas of GOD? Another thing that has kept religion so popular is threats, death and being looked down upon for not believing in GOD or believing in other religions...You don't believe in GOD then you are a sinner...you sinned you are going to Hell....this is a sin and that is a sin...the devil is inside him....putting the fear into man to make them believe in GOD. Not to mention that the Bible degrades women..tells us people lived to be 900 years old...fathers and mothers could have all the men of the town stone their son to death if he does not listen to what they tell him to do....a man can have two wives..animal sacrafices fo unsolved murders....it says also that when going into war with your enemies don't be afraid because the LORD will be with you...well would the LORD not also be with the enemies as well?...you are not suppose to eat pigs because they are unclean and they don't chew their own cud...the LORD tells us to destroy every other religion and their temples, alters, idols and so forth...the Bible teaches us to kill some sinners to purge the evil out....so seeing how these are the commands of the LORD and it says in the Bible that they must be followed I assume you all follow these right?

My "religious views"... summed up in a few sentences.

For me, it's not a matter of 'believing' in God. I know God is real. There is no doubt. I know him in my everyday life and I know him in everything I do. But I'm not going to force my beliefs on you, or any other man. I don't even talk about the subject often. I don't have all the answers, but I'm not worried.

And for those who don't believe in 'God', or a 'creator', a 'higher being'... that's ok. He believes in you!

Again some more mumbo jumbo....you know GOD is real with no doubt..you know him in everyday life and in everything you do..according to the Bible you have to force your religious beliefs on me you don't have a choice it is what the LORD has commanded you to do...it's funny how GOD..the LORD in the Bible makes so many commands and tells people how it's has to be and yet most of those who believe in him/her/it don't follow GODS commands..I never read anywhere in the Bible that says you can pick and choose what to follow in the Bible and yet people do...so would that not make us all sinners?
 
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I believe in God but all i can say is we'll never know untill our time is due.
 
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suthra said:
i have one doubt., This is not bashing or something else. But i just need an answer.

Why christians pray., Father, Jesus, and the holy spirit?

WHo is powerful in these three? and i see every christian prays jesus.

If iam wrong, Pls correct me with some answers.


father, the son (jesus) and the Holy spirit are God.

The seperate individuals,but they in essence work as one..they think one..and they accomplish one thing.

example, the sun - heat,fire,brightness - all 3 cannot be seperated,because
seperating it would not make it the sun anymore..:)


this is actually a very,very broad topic than can't be answered in one thread..let alone one post!.

so i'm just going to stop here at the moment..:)
 
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spy69 said:
I believe in God but all i can say is we'll never know untill our time is due.

How do you know that we will know when our time is due....I assume your time has not come yet since you are posting on this forum so I know you have not experienced it...did you talk to someone who has passed away who told you this? :guilty:

se said:
father, the son (jesus) and the Holy spirit are God.

The seperate individuals,but they in essence work as one..they think one..and they accomplish one thing.

example, the sun - heat,fire,brightness - all 3 cannot be seperated,because
seperating it would not make it the sun anymore..:)


this is actually a very,very broad topic than can't be answered in one thread..let alone one post!.

so i'm just going to stop here at the moment..:)

He is right, all are a form of GOD so they say....Jesus was not actually the son of GOD but GOD himself in human form, this is what they say I belive Jesus was just another prophet trying to maintain his popularity among the ranks of other prophets..not to say he did not believe in his words just that him being the son of GOD was false ..also his mother was a virgin when she had him...hmmm right my guess would be that her and joseph had sex then to explain the baby they came up with the story..ooh my I am a virgin and this must be the child of GOD because me and joesph are not married and did not have sex because that would be a sin. To far fetched? Nah I don't think so back in the day they were very strict about sex before marriage..she could have been killed and him as well so this theory is definatly plausable..just think your growing up as a kid and eceryone is loving you and saying you are the son of the almighty GOD...tell me that would not give you a big head as you got older...everybody is telling you this sooner or later you will believe it to be true and there for go around as if you were the son of GOD preaching his word and so on. Especially back then when people thought the GODS were angry when thunder sounded and believed in fire breathing dragons and other crazy stuff. People just did not know any better...someone accidentally sets himself on fire and people think GOD did that to him...a man get's hit by lighting it must be an act of GOD...no rain for months the GODS must be angry with us....
 
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DN Tycoon said:
spy69 said:
I believe in God but all i can say is we'll never know untill our time is due.

How do you know that we will know when our time is due....I assume your time has not come yet since you are posting on this forum so I know you have not experienced it...did you talk to someone who has passed away who told you this? :guilty:

I was raised that way. Whatever i dont need to see something to believe.
 
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DN Tycoon said:
Again some more mumbo jumbo....

Stop. Right there.

You started your reply with an insult. And it was in response to my sincere, honest, friendly and completely peaceful statement. To call my beliefs, views (or 'whatever' you need to dub them) "mumbo jumbo" is an insult, plain and simple. You are wrong for that.

Therefore, when you address me in such a insensitive, disrespectful and rude way from the start, it leaves little desire to pay much attention to anything else that comes spewing from you mouth on the topic. My time is valuable. I prefer talking to open minded people who show each other common courtesy and respect.

Now, I bid you farewell, and to borrow my favorite slogan from the legendary SoulTrain....

Love, Peace and Soul.

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Nice one -db-, and sooo true. Insult uncalled for.
 
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Lol wow, we are sensitive aren't we. That was not an insult that is called my opinion deal with it. Your opinions are yours and I don't have to agree with them..to me what you said was fine but in my eyes more religious mumbo jumbo. I did not call you any names or make fun of your beliefs did I? This thread is a discussion and your posts are up for grabs to anyone that wants to comment on them....being a man of GOD you are pretty defensive I figured you would be more confident in your words...

My time is valuable. I prefer talking to open minded people who show each other common courtesy and respect.

Read the post and you shall see who the open minded person is...you are not the open minded person as you can't even wrap your head around another persons opinion without getting defensive and crying about it....As far as your valuable time goes....that's all on you how you spend your time how exactly do I have a hand in you using up your valuable time and why do you think I care about your valuable time..is not my time just a s valuable? Think before you post....I am not here to attack people I am here to express my views and challenge others views in hopes that I will show someone another way at looking at things and vice versa....you are in the box my friend I am the guy outside of it looking in....Now, I bid you farewell, and to borrow my favorite slogan from Vanilla Ice

"Word to your mother" :)
 
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Dude, now you are just getting a bit full of it. And twisting things around.

'You' are the one who can't handle somebody else's opinion. 'You' are the one who called another person's beliefs "mumbo jumbo". Don't you see that's an insult? 'You' are the one threatened by another's views. Only somebody with a weak argument has to try and build himself up (or his views) by putting down others with insults and twisted words.

It's cool though. I still wish you the best, in all regards.

You are my fellow man, and my fellow NP'er. So God bless you! :hearts: :great:
 
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spy69 said:
I was raised that way. Whatever i dont need to see something to believe.

That's fine you were raised that way it just proves one of my points that religions popularity is partly maintained by word of mouth. From Father and Mother to Son and Daughter...I believe that there are other beings in the universe but I have not seen anything....you believing is GOD is fine but to believe in GOD you have know he exists 100% also I am just looking for answers to why you think after our time is due that we will know id he is real or not. You said because you were raised that way...which is a very vague answer --->IMO<--- so I ask you can you provide me with a more detailed answer...there must be something else that makes you think this is true beside the way you were raised.. :D

-db- said:
Dude, now you are just getting a bit full of it. And twisting things around.

'You' are the one who can't handle somebody else's opinion. 'You' are the one who called another person's beliefs "mumbo jumbo". Don't you see that's an insult? 'You' are the one threatened by another's views. Only somebody with a weak argument has to try and build himself up (or his views) by putting down others with insults and twisted words.

It's cool though. I still wish you the best, in all regards.

You are my fellow man, and my fellow NP'er. So God bless you! :hearts: :great:


Again LOL...you have things confused with this thread...I have a weak argument....hmm it is you who is insulting me....shame :)
 
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Why does every religious thread on non-religious boards end up this way? It always degenerates into insults and back and forth tennis-like brickbats.

In the end, religious questions are personal ones. Science can't prove or disprove a supreme being (even according to some of the world's top physicists; who also usually add that they don't see any evidence of a supreme being in thier world view, but that's THEIR world view). And faith can't prove or disprove a supreme being. No one knows the answers. The most one can say on the topic is "I believe" or "I don't believe". Atheists don't know any more than the faithful and vice versa. We're all equal in our vapid cluelessness on this topic.

What we do know is that we're all here. We co-exist whether a supreme being put us here or not. I think the religious and the non-religious would get along much better if this were the foundation of their discussions rather than the usual rampant prosletyzing on all sides (and even atheists can prosletyze; for some reason they think they're immune, but they're capable of spouting dogma just as good as any religious fundamentalist).

Religion works for some, doesn't work for others. That's more or less the bottom line. To insist that one actually knows more about the subject than that makes one a good candidate for a pointless futile ping pong discussion.
 
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DNTycoon, please explain how Austrian monks stumbled accross the big bang in the old testament in the 11th century.
 
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IMO God is not a being but a feeling. Christians are simply people that believe God is alive but he is just a feeling, and they choose to base the life on a book that was written many many years ago, probably by scholars.....

God and Jesus are just 'Ultimate Beings', the peak of human intelligence and life, they are the things that we all want to be, what we wish for.

So IMO God does not exist, and i choose not to follow the religion as for me, there is no point. I am happy how i am, i can make my own desicions, and i dont need to be influenced by anyone or anything.


JUST MY OPINION! Thats why i believe in what i do, and i think we should respect people for what they believe =) I have very good points IMO, but so do people like Lee and -db- :)
 
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I thought this would be a nice clean religious thread. I guess I was wrong.
 
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Hum, don't sweat it. You have to realise bro.. the Anti Christian people are vile and have absolutely no respect for those of faith..at least the Christian faith.

it all comes back around though.. respect is a two way street. If they don't feel we deserve respect, trust me.. it will lead only to them being humiliated on this topic.
 
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