question Posting etiquette for appraisals?

[MrMDMF]

Is there a posting etiquette for the number of appraisals you post?
I only ask because I post frequently in the appraisals / pre-purchase forums, and I don't want to come across as rude or spammy.

I hope I'm not annoying anyone with all the postings. I'm just passionate about the domaining business and want to acquire as much knowledge as possible. I feel like the entire appraisal forums will just be me soon.

your obsessive domainer,
-M

 

[Kyle Tully]

I think that like most of society there is an unspoken bank of goodwill in the forum.

If all you do is take take take without giving in return then people will quickly grow tired and not respond.

Personally I will throw an appraisal out here and there when I feel like I have something to say. But if the same person keeps coming back asking for appraisals of similar quality names and shows no sign of learning or even sharing their thought process on why they acquired the name then I have little time for them.

 

[BaileyUK]

My personal opinion is keep it to one domain per appraisal request. Include any FACTUAL information if there is any. (Not pie-in-the-sky thinking) If the request is totally ignored then you can assume the domain doesn't hold much if any value. If your so far off track, some members will try to pull-you-up before you waste too much money on similar domains.

A quick view of some of your previous domain appraisal requests seems to indicate your a bit out of touch with what sells in the domain world. Your registering the contrived and fanciful (fancied by you) rather than anything practical and desirable

 

[MrMDMF]

If all you do is take take take without giving in return then people will quickly grow tired and not respond.

or even sharing their thought process on why they acquired the name

Thank you. In the future, I'll be more conscious of sharing my thought process on why I think something might be valuable. I don't have much to contribute yet as I'm yet to have success. I feel like whatever I'd share would already be common knowledge, but I get what you're saying in this example. If I can qualify a domain or pre-purchase it, even if there's no inherent value to the domain itself, it might add value to someone else's strategy.

Suppose I can explain why I think a domain may be valuable (not in a defensive way, e.g., this domain IS valuable - attaching an ego to it). In that case, I can generate a discussion and potentially gain insight for myself and others. It's doubly beneficial as those who are generous to share their wisdom can better understand the learners progression and give advice accordingly.

My personal opinion is keep it to one domain per appraisal request. Include any FACTUAL information if there is any. (Not pie-in-the-sky thinking) If the request is totally ignored then you can assume the domain doesn't hold much if any value.

A quick view of some of your previous domain appraisal requests seems to indicate your a bit out of touch with what sells in the domain world.

I appreciate the tough love, honestly. Thank you.

I like to think I'm making slow, steady progress in self-evaluating. I'm combing through names with reasonable monthly searches, sizeable CPC, trustworthy backlinks with low spam scores, and looking out for niches/keywords in names that make sense grammatically.

If I understand the fundamentals of a domain's potential, I can better assess its value myself. The most challenging part is just getting to that point, which I'm sure is true for all domainers, experienced or otherwise.

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I appreciate both of your responses; I want to be set straight and steered in the right direction. I have so many questions, and I'm excited to learn as much as I can about an established industry that's been flourishing for 30+ years. I'll be more considerate in striking a balance between being inquisitive and adding value to those around me with the limited knowledge I currently have.

Have a superb weekend everyone,
-M

 

[Kyle Tully]

And just so it’s clear, my comments weren’t about your appraisal requests specifically (I haven’t seen any of them) but just some general thoughts.

 

[MrMDMF]

And just so it’s clear, my comments weren’t about your appraisal requests specifically (I haven’t seen any of them) but just some general thoughts.

It's all good, man; I wouldn't have taken offense to it either way, haha.

I think your advice is a good rule of thumb for anyone trying to gain insight into their domains. ' Giving back' in the sense of why YOU believe a domain is valuable can help others and give those willing to help you a better understanding of how it may or may not be—which is constructive for both parties.

-M

 

[biggie]

posting etiquette

Hi

let the name speak for itself.

don't say it's premium when it's not.

and don't mention appraisal tool value.

imo...

 

[MrMDMF]

Hi

let the name speak for itself.

don't say it's premium when it's not.

and don't mention appraisal tool value.

imo...

Yeah I agree - you should have a good idea if the name is worth something just by looking at it.

However, I’ve had appraisals done (by the masterful @Eric Lyon ) where the name is devalued by intrinsic factors such as a high spam score rating - so as a beginner who was unaware of those factors, I should be qualifying the domain with other backing metrics.

Unless of course, that should be the standard when assessing value, already assuming the other metrics are good?

-M

 

[Eric Lyon]

Yeah I agree - you should have a good idea if the name is worth something just by looking at it.

However, I’ve had appraisals done (by the masterful @Eric Lyon ) where the name is devalued by intrinsic factors such as a high spam score rating - so as a beginner who was unaware of those factors, I should be qualifying the domain with other backing metrics.

Unless of course, that should be the standard when assessing value, already assuming the other metrics are good?

-M

Thanks for the shout-out.

Just to add context for others reading this thread regarding the Spam Score:

When it comes to the Spam Score (SS), yes, it can be a key factor in a good acquisitions team either passing your domain up completely or leveraging the score to devalue the asset in order to compensate for all the clean-up work they may need to do prior to them or their client being able to launch a trusted and authoritative brand on it.

A domain in a spam database that is referenced by search engines can cause it to drop into a supplemental index with penalties. That means that no matter how good their new SEO/SEM strategy is, they will not be seen by organic search visitors until those penalties are cleaned up.

It also means that if the domain is on black lists on email servers (Yahoo, gMail, Msn, etc), that they wont be able to reach any potential customers with news letters, subscriptions, marketing messages, etc. until they are removed from those lists, which can sometimes be difficult to get removed from.

It's hard to say what the leveraged value may end up being after negotiations based on the Spam Score. A poor acquisitions team may not even check it or put much weight on it, where a good acquisitions team will stress the heavy weight of it trying to launch a legitimate brand they intend to file a new TM for and want smooth opening/launch with maximum reach and trust.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

The importance of other metrics (Not all, but some):

It's always a good idea to put yourself in the shoes of a potential buyer. If you develop a domain and take it to market yourself to try and build a brand, you can get a feel for the same hardships a buyer may encounter.

In return, allowing you to understand some of their pain points, so you can offer a better solution to their every day startup problems. Rather than making it harder for them.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

In short, one never really knows the exact formula of metrics a specific acquisitions team or end user will leverage in their decision to acquire a domain asset.

Competitor analyses approach:

When it comes to researching a potential end-user that could benefit from acquiring your domain, a lot of people make the mistake of treating the research like a standard sales lead, looking at the potential buyer from the outside in, when in fact, you should be looking at the potential buyer as if they were your competitor, firmly placing you in the same shoes that they wear and in the same air that they breath.

What I mean by that, is that competitor analysis/research can prove to be the most beneficial type research approach. This allows you to engage the buyer on the same level with data they may already be familiar with and a few gems of data that they weren't, but find attractive since it fits into their demographics and business model.

You'll want to be sure to also include a few actual competitors statistics that your target buyer may already know, so they can see how your asset could help set them apart from them and rise up to dominate the market share.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

Other helpful links (Some links may only be accessible to VIPs, PROs, and Gold Members):

• (Insight) Domain Evaluation/Appraisal Methodologies
• Domain Selling Psychology - An Inside Look
• Domain Investment Capital - Options
• Marketing Ideas and Techniques

Note: The above is just some added context for other members that may be reading this discussion thread to help get them started in their own research.

What works for one, may not work for another and vice versa.

At the end of the day, a domain is truly only worth what a buyer and seller agree on.

 

[Eminent Domain Names]

Thanks for the shout-out.

Just to add context for others reading this thread regarding the Spam Score:

When it comes to the Spam Score (SS), yes, it can be a key factor in a good acquisitions team either passing your domain up completely or leveraging the score to devalue the asset in order to compensate for all the clean-up work they may need to do prior to them or their client being able to launch a trusted and authoritative brand on it.

A domain in a spam database that is referenced by search engines can cause it to drop into a supplemental index with penalties. That means that no matter how good their new SEO/SEM strategy is, they will not be seen by organic search visitors until those penalties are cleaned up.

It also means that if the domain is on black lists on email servers (Yahoo, gMail, Msn, etc), that they wont be able to reach any potential customers with news letters, subscriptions, marketing messages, etc. until they are removed from those lists, which can sometimes be difficult to get removed from.

It's hard to say what the leveraged value may end up being after negotiations based on the Spam Score. A poor acquisitions team may not even check it or put much weight on it, where a good acquisitions team will stress the heavy weight of it trying to launch a legitimate brand they intend to file a new TM for and want smooth opening/launch with maximum reach and trust.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

The importance of other metrics (Not all, but some):

It's always a good idea to put yourself in the shoes of a potential buyer. If you develop a domain and take it to market yourself to try and build a brand, you can get a feel for the same hardships a buyer may encounter.

In return, allowing you to understand some of their pain points, so you can offer a better solution to their every day startup problems. Rather than making it harder for them.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

In short, one never really knows the exact formula of metrics a specific acquisitions team or end user will leverage in their decision to acquire a domain asset.

Competitor analyses approach:

When it comes to researching a potential end-user that could benefit from acquiring your domain, a lot of people make the mistake of treating the research like a standard sales lead, looking at the potential buyer from the outside in, when in fact, you should be looking at the potential buyer as if they were your competitor, firmly placing you in the same shoes that they wear and in the same air that they breath.

What I mean by that, is that competitor analysis/research can prove to be the most beneficial type research approach. This allows you to engage the buyer on the same level with data they may already be familiar with and a few gems of data that they weren't, but find attractive since it fits into their demographics and business model.

You'll want to be sure to also include a few actual competitors statistics that your target buyer may already know, so they can see how your asset could help set them apart from them and rise up to dominate the market share.

Source - (Only accessible to VIP, Pro, and Gold Members)

Other helpful links (Some links may only be accessible to VIPs, PROs, and Gold Members):

• (Insight) Domain Evaluation/Appraisal Methodologies
• Domain Selling Psychology - An Inside Look
• Domain Investment Capital - Options
• Marketing Ideas and Techniques

Note: The above is just some added context for other members that may be reading this discussion thread to help get them started in their own research.

What works for one, may not work for another and vice versa.

At the end of the day, a domain is truly only worth what a buyer and seller agree on.

Great insights here.
Bump Worthy imho.

 

[alop]

Great insights here.
Bump Worthy imho.

If I wasn't restricted I post all numbers in appraisals.

How do I account for such numbers?

At the end of the day, a domain is truly only worth what a buyer and seller agree on

@MrMDMF it was 2. Not sure 2day.

 

[alop]

Personally @Kyle Tully playing an old record will sound the same.


As to why I don't think limiting appraisals is not a bad idea