discuss Personal Gmail or Professional domain email?

[MrMDMF]

I'd really appreciate some advice for getting into outbound sales on the right foot.

I'm debating whether to using my personal Gmail account or registering a domain, specially for sale emails.
I plan on using an email warm-up service to build reputation and minimize chance of ending up in someone's spam folder.

So my question is, which type of email should I invest time into managing? Does a professional email make that much of a difference compared to a personal one?

Please let me know your experiences and opinions.

All the best everyone,
-M

 

[HotKey]

For buying domains a gmail is fine but for selling I would lean towards using a domain name you own it instills confidence in what a domain can do, and looks professional. It's like putting your money where your mouth is.

Imagine being a domain seller but you can't show that you actually believe in using them.

 

[MrMDMF]

For buying domains a gmail is fine but for selling I would lean towards using a domain name you own it instills confidence in what a domain can do, and looks professional. It's like putting your money where your mouth is.

Imagine being a domain seller but you can't show that you actually believe in using them.

Excellent insight - confidence is critical and instills trust that you actually know what you're talking about.

Just for clarities sake, I assume you mean one specific domain as a professional sales email e.g.
[email protected], not an individual professional email for each domain?

 

[HotKey]

Excellent insight - confidence is critical and instills trust that you actually know what you're talking about.

Just for clarities sake, I assume you mean one specific domain as a professional sales email e.g.
[email protected], not an individual professional email for each domain?

No for sure.. unless you had a portfolio of like 5 domains. But a centralized email based on a domain that you use for yourself only is the best way to to go. Also make the email address separate from other emails you have say if you are using the dn as admin contacts for various accounts.

 

[Kyle Tully]

If you are doing serious outbound (hundreds or thousands of emails) you'll want to get a bunch of domains similar to your main business name and warm each of them up and cycle through them. Otherwise it's a fast track to get your main business emails hammered in the spam box.

 

[MrMDMF]

No for sure.. unless you had a portfolio of like 5 domains. But a centralized email based on a domain that you use for yourself only is the best way to to go. Also make the email address separate from other emails you have say if you are using the dn as admin contacts for various accounts.

Gotcha - a targeted, professional email with the sole function of out-bounding.

Thanks for your advice.

If you are doing serious outbound (hundreds or thousands of emails) you'll want to get a bunch of domains similar to your main business name and warm each of them up and cycle through them. Otherwise it's a fast track to get your main business emails hammered in the spam box.

Yes, that’s the goal - I like the idea of being proactive with domains - thanks for the tip Kyle.

When you say cycle through them does that implying there is a ‘cooling off’ period for emails that have sent off many messages?


Additional question if anyone can answer: once an email address is warmed up does it require maintenance to retain its inbox performance?

 

[Kyle Tully]

When you say cycle through them does that implying there is a ‘cooling off’ period for emails that have sent off many messages?

Additional question if anyone can answer: once an email address is warmed up does it require maintenance to retain its inbox performance?

There's a limit on the number of emails you can send per minute/hour/day/whatever for each address before you start triggering spam/abuse filters. More addresses just means you can send more emails.

The only maintenance you need is keeping open, reply, and spam stats in check for each email.

 

[DomainOfThings]

What a great question, I am new to domaining & have been wondering this myself. I have no plans of sending mass emails but will try some direct outbounding soon. I wish I had registered "DomainOfThings" with one of the registrars that offer a free email address. I think I will have to pay for email with GoDaddy. @MrMDMF I think Dynadot offers one free email with their domains.

 

[MrMDMF]

There's a limit on the number of emails you can send per minute/hour/day/whatever for each address before you start triggering spam/abuse filters. More addresses just means you can send more emails.

I understand, thank you. To avoid triggering the filter, I should use 2-3 different email addresses for outbound sessions and alternate between them.

The only maintenance you need is keeping open, reply, and spam stats in check for each email.

That's wonderful news - should be easy enough if I'm doing regular outbound

What a great question, I am new to domaining & have been wondering this myself. I have no plans of sending mass emails but will try some direct outbounding soon. I wish I had registered "DomainOfThings" with one of the registrars that offer a free email address. I think I will have to pay for email with GoDaddy. @MrMDMF I think Dynadot offers one free email with their domains.

Absolutely, you can always sit on names and wait for the right person to come along, but being proactive allows you to take your business into your own hands - maybe you'll get a lower ROI, but it could lead to increasing STR and cashflow back into new names and your pocket. That's my approach, anyway.

DD does offer that free service—the only hurdle is warming up the domain and setting up the technical side so it reaches the right people.

GoDaddy has a beginner guide to correctly setting up email DNS - I'll be using this as a template.

https://shorturl.at/92UzV

 

[MrMDMF]

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[AEProgram]

After email outbound fails, try linkedin (pay)

 

[AEProgram]

This discussion just gave me an idea - I would love to know if it's feasible.

Is it possible to create multiple email addresses and warm them up by sending/replying to yourself rather than using a paid warm-up service?

you use gmail? How often do you get spam in your inbox? once every 3 years? Do you think providers like Google and Microsoft are fooled by warming up IP's or domain names? If that was how it worked, email inboxes would be full of spam, but they are not.

I feel bad because you are about to waste a lot of time, you seem serious so I will try to guide you a bit.

1. If you are trying to reach a small business, check the site for the contact form, those will get inboxed.

2. Big companies reach the right person on linkedin (I mentioned that in my other post)

3. If you see a contact that has a gmail, use gmail to message them for a better chance of getting in the inbox. If you don't include a phone number or url in your first email, it has a better chance of inboxing.

All services that claim to get you inboxed (for sales emails) are frauds. Like I said, if those worked, everyones inbox would be full of spam.

 

[MrMDMF]

you use gmail? How often do you get spam in your inbox? once every 3 years? Do you think providers like Google and Microsoft are fooled by warming up IP's or domain names? If that was how it worked, email inboxes would be full of spam, but they are not.

I feel bad because you are about to waste a lot of time, you seem serious so I will try to guide you a bit.

1. If you are trying to reach a small business, check the site for the contact form, those will get inboxed.

2. Big companies reach the right person on linkedin (I mentioned that in my other post)

3. If you see a contact that has a gmail, use gmail to message them for a better chance of getting in the inbox. If you don't include a phone number or url in your first email, it has a better chance of inboxing.

All services that claim to get you inboxed (for sales emails) are frauds. Like I said, if those worked, everyones inbox would be full of spam.

I am very serious, so I appreciate all advice, even if it's a new perspective that tells me to reevaluate my path.

I have several questions regarding your reply, as I see conflicting information while researching outbound.

1. Are you suggesting that I forget about warming up email addresses and proceed with outreach regardless? I see many posts here advising some email warm-up (along with other tips such as avoiding spam-triggering words like 'opportunity,' 'investment,' 'sale,' etc, and personalizing each initial email.)

2. Again, other advice suggests ALWAYS including at least a phone number or contact information, as it instills better trust with the person you're trying to reach and comes across as more professional. Why do you suggest against this?

My friend, you have thoroughly confused me haha, but I am always open to adjusting my strategy and adapting based on new information.

Thanks for your insight.

 

[AEProgram]

I am very serious, so I appreciate all advice, even if it's a new perspective that tells me to reevaluate my path.

I have several questions regarding your reply, as I see conflicting information while researching outbound.

1. Are you suggesting that I forget about warming up email addresses and proceed with outreach regardless? I see many posts here advising some email warm-up (along with other tips such as avoiding spam-triggering words like 'opportunity,' 'investment,' 'sale,' etc, and personalizing each initial email.)

2. Again, other advice suggests ALWAYS including at least a phone number or contact information, as it instills better trust with the person you're trying to reach and comes across as more professional. Why do you suggest against this?

My friend, you have thoroughly confused me haha, but I am always open to adjusting my strategy and adapting based on new information.

Thanks for your insight.

You are getting advice from people that want to help, but their advice is outdated. The fastest path to stop being confused is to start implementing your plans. You will not fool anyone in 2024 with IP's that have been warmed up. You should avoid the scam words regardless and keep the email very short. The nicer you try to sound in an outbound email, the more you sound like a scammer.

Personalizing all emails is a must.

You can include a phone number and check what comes up for that number in google first. Maybe it was used by someone a while ago for spam or scams. Avoid hyperlinks. I suggested against phone numbers because some corporate email systems will first route those emails to a security filter just like they do with emails with not approved links or attachments.

All advice you get about outbound needs to be relevant today. Just like when it comes to building a site, if you will read old articles or get advice from people not active today, you might get bad advice.

I hope you learn quick and move on to linkedin. It also has a low success rate but if you will invest your time, you might as well do it on something that might work.

 

[Kyle Tully]

you use gmail? How often do you get spam in your inbox? once every 3 years? Do you think providers like Google and Microsoft are fooled by warming up IP's or domain names? If that was how it worked, email inboxes would be full of spam, but they are not.

I feel bad because you are about to waste a lot of time, you seem serious so I will try to guide you a bit.

1. If you are trying to reach a small business, check the site for the contact form, those will get inboxed.

2. Big companies reach the right person on linkedin (I mentioned that in my other post)

3. If you see a contact that has a gmail, use gmail to message them for a better chance of getting in the inbox. If you don't include a phone number or url in your first email, it has a better chance of inboxing.

All services that claim to get you inboxed (for sales emails) are frauds. Like I said, if those worked, everyones inbox would be full of spam.

I use gmail and get properly done cold emails every day I’ve also sent a LOT (not domain name related) over the past 20 years.

Contact forms almost never go to the right person. It also violates CAN-SPAM.

Inbox warm up is a basic email marketing strategy that is important to this day.

LinkedIn can also be good but has its own issues. Use both.

 

[MrMDMF]

You should avoid the scam words regardless and keep the email very short. The nicer you try to sound in an outbound email, the more you sound like a scammer.

Noted. I'll prioritize short, personal, to-the-point emails - someone with the capital to invest likely will not have the patience for a lengthy sales pitch. If intrigue is struck, I can elaborate based on their interest levels in further emails to secure a sale.

All advice you get about outbound needs to be relevant today. Just like when it comes to building a site, if you will read old articles or get advice from people not active today, you might get bad advice.

I 100% agree - That is why I've started this thread, a quick search suggests that most information/advice here on NP regarding outbound is +2 years old.

However, as @Kyle Tully suggests, email warmth seems essential for performance in reaching inboxes.

I don't know for sure as I'm still a beginner, but I would imagine that since Google is a lot smarter than us, emails that begin sending frequent outbound sales would be seen as 'out of character' for that particular address and flagged up as potential spam, increasing bounce back and, in general, not being able to achieve the best possible results from the get-go.

This would indicate that an email warm-up is helpful as it tells mail services, 'Hey, this email is not new or spammy; this is a legitimate sales email that sends out regular outreaches.'.

 

[alcy]

I'd really appreciate some advice for getting into outbound sales on the right foot.

I'm debating whether to using my personal Gmail account or registering a domain, specially for sale emails.
I plan on using an email warm-up service to build reputation and minimize chance of ending up in someone's spam folder.

So my question is, which type of email should I invest time into managing? Does a professional email make that much of a difference compared to a personal one?

Please let me know your experiences and opinions.

All the best everyone,
-M

u have 1000 more odds to get good more pro looking gmail than .com name. I'd rather email sales at dnsales gmail than sales at nicenamesforsale com

 

[AEProgram]

I use gmail and get properly done cold emails every day I’ve also sent a LOT (not domain name related) over the past 20 years.

Contact forms almost never go to the right person. It also violates CAN-SPAM.

Inbox warm up is a basic email marketing strategy that is important to this day.

LinkedIn can also be good but has its own issues. Use both.

What you did for 20 years in email is not relevant today. If the OP ends up doing email, we will find out who was right if they decide to share. I guarantee you they will find it to be a complete waste regardless what they warm up.

If you get daily spam emails in your gmail inbox, you are of the small tiny exception or you opted into things without knowing a long time ago.

 

[AEProgram]

This would indicate that an email warm-up is helpful as it tells mail services, 'Hey, this email is not new or spammy; this is a legitimate sales email that sends out regular outreaches.'.

Not how it works anymore. In fact, many emails you send to gmail now won't even make it to spam, it will not get delivered at all. A lot of people on forums like to be overly positive on someone else's time and money. Try it and find out.

 

[Kyle Tully]

What you did for 20 years in email is not relevant today. If the OP ends up doing email, we will find out who was right if they decide to share. I guarantee you they will find it to be a complete waste regardless what they warm up.

If you get daily spam emails in your gmail inbox, you are of the small tiny exception or you opted into things without knowing a long time ago.

We’re doing successful cold email campaigns this year. If you’re finding it a complete waste you’re doing it wrong.

But I’m not here to convince anyone. Doesn’t affect me in the slightest either way.

DYOR. Plenty of good info out there if you look.

 

[AEProgram]

DYOR. Plenty of good info out there if you look.

Help him, PM him with some links of recent info. You have the experience

 

[biggie]

on the right foot.

build reputation

Does a professional email make that much of a difference

Hi

outspamming, starts on the wrong foot.

to the recipients of such emails, you'll build rep as a spammer,
and whatever email you use, won't help sell crappy domain names

every time i see this subject come up, there are always opinions given, but nobody ever asks...
"what names are you planning on soliciting and to whom do you plan on sending these solicitations to?"

that, is the ultimate question, and the answer will determine whether or not you'll have any chance of success.
just saying....


imo....

 

[MrMDMF]

Hi

outspamming, starts on the wrong foot.

to the recipients of such emails, you'll build rep as a spammer,
and whatever email you use, won't help sell crappy domain names

every time i see this subject come up, there are always opinions given, but nobody ever asks...
"what names are you planning on soliciting and to whom do you plan on sending these solicitations to?"

that, is the ultimate question, and the answer will determine whether or not you'll have any chance of success.
just saying....


imo....

I sense you're not a big fan of outreach marketing.

I'll use two examples from the domains in my portfolio if you must know.

Example 1: I own the domain name - EasyMovin.com, so I'll be performing outreach to sites like 'easymoversseattle.co' & 'easymove-removals.co.uk'

Example 2: I own the domain name PreeJamaica.com (Pree, In Jamaican patwah, when used as a verb, is to take a long, deliberate look or a careful, focused listen.) so I'll be performing outreach to sites like 'jamaicatravelandculture.com' 'jamaica-gleaner.com'

I will be offering these companies (hopefully) a better alternative to their website so they can increase traffic and sales to their business with SEO.

I hope this clears up my intentions and the legitimacy of my outreach strategy.

 

[MrMDMF]

@AEProgram @Kyle Tully - Thank you for your concern; I will be using a warm-up service, just in case. I'd hate to waste time sending 100s of emails to figure out they've never reached the right person in the first place.

Best-case scenario is my emails hit their mark & I receive replies and offers
Worst-case scenario: I 'wasted' $22 a month on a warm-up service that doesn't make a difference in the first place.

I'm okay with investing a small amount of money in a tool that could make or break my potential sales.

 

[DomainNature]

Emails are good but is getting old, I get spam from Gmail crap, even Godaddy is not secure, I got their mails in spam folder, from Afternic, in my iCloud inbox.
I also suspect this companies can block important messages, so that they will never arrive to you, that is why I added chat support on my websites, if someone really wants my domains they will chat, maybe going to remove the email contact.
But for better secure contact I think is leaving a phone number (which I didn't yet for security reasons), if someone really wants to buy your domain they will call you even from US directly.
My answer leave Gmail and other providers, use your website email.
I plan to dump iCloud cause I feel they crawled my emails and apple continues to copy my designs and add in their shit of products, e.g. the new glow effect is my idea.
edit: Forgot also to mention the guy which owns a big biotech biz is using Gmail, OMG shame on you Yossi I even offer you to rent the domain, at least to be more serious in the face of your customers.